ILM's Now For Something Completely Different... 70s Album Poll Results! Top 100 Countdown! (Part 2)

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Yeah, v OTM.

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EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link

xp to imago how so?

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link

both purvey bombast without mystery and achieve their goals by accumulating as much headlong momentum as possible, yet on a superficial level would appear to be sworn enemies (veneration of technical proficiency versus slapdash two-fingers aesthetic)

i find the music both quite dull, although i acknowledge their importance to the discourse. two very simple, very prototypical rock bands.

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

*of both

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

LJ I dont think you understand rock

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

just wish more folks had recognised that VDGG were the heaviest british group of the 70s, rather than those bluesy warblers, whose music seems to me the aural equivalent of steroids

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

this is what you all get for ignoring my attempts to initiate a conversation about Soft Machine

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

conversations can only go for so long until another album places... start a thread if you have such raging boner...

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

Speaking of ideology, Sex Pistols inspired more pages of philosophical tripe than any other band in history. Particularly from Greil Marcus and Jon Savage. Not that some of it isn't enjoyable!

yeah, I guess I get a lot more out of dumb fanboy ramblings (Bangs, Cope, Lipstick Traces, etc) than any dismissive negative criticism. even if it's wrongheaded and overreaching, that kind of stuff at least seems to grasp at the possibilities of pop music, whereas xgau's gripes seem more like an attempt to draw boundaries.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

xxp There are many things you could call Zeppelin, "simple" is not one of them.

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

42. MANDRILL Mandrill Is (3162 Points, 21 Votes, 1 #1)
RYM: #386 for 1972

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review
by John Bush

Apparently learning from the mistakes of its debut, Mandrill crafted a follow-up with fewer stylistic detours than the first record, but much more energy and greater maturity. The two singles, "Ape Is High" and "Git It All," are unhinged performances from all involved that have the sense of musical invigoration so key to a funk band -- and so sorely lacking on this band's debut. "Children of the Sun" is a somber, flute-led piece, much more assured and better-conceived than anything on its first record (it also showed how well Mandrill could've done soundtracking a blaxploitation film). The guitars are much more prominent on Mandrill Is; in fact, both "Git It All" and "Here Today Gone Tomorrow" have passages almost reminiscent of metal's heavy riffing. The first two compositions from Claude "Coffee" Cave are big successes, "Cohelo" being a traditional Latin form and "Kofijahm" a tribal funk piece. Not everything works, however: the spoken-word piece "Universal Rhythms" is a tad over-ripe, with a raft of unpoetic, pseudo-mystical nonsense over backing from an angelic choir.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

you can still discuss albums that placed already you dont need to stop posting about an album.

Just make sure you go listen to MANDRILL!!!

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

neil otm btw

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

Argus, a mystical concept album, anchored Wishbone Ash firmly in the map of British PRog Rock...the subjects discussed are knights, kings and medieval battles.....these hobbitloving Limey tossers can fuck right off back to Narnia.. D- --R. Christgau

Ha, the one actual review Christgau wrote on Ash (There's The Rub) had similar sentiments, but I admit is kinda funny.

The journeyman English blues-cum-heavy group of whom it has been said: "When they come out on stage, they seem to be holding their guitars like machine guns, but pretty soon you realize it's more like shovels." D+

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

i find the music both quite dull, although i acknowledge their importance to the discourse. two very simple, very prototypical rock bands.

― delete (imago),

just so wrong

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link

I agree halfway, Sex Pistols don't use synthesizers, therefore they are dull.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

Ha, the one actual review Christgau wrote on Ash (There's The Rub) had similar sentiments, but I admit is kinda funny.

The journeyman English blues-cum-heavy group of whom it has been said: "When they come out on stage, they seem to be holding their guitars like machine guns, but pretty soon you realize it's more like shovels." D+

lol, ok that's pretty good

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

41. TODD RUNDGREN A Wizard, A True Star (3163 Points, 18 Votes, 3 #1s)
RYM: #49 for 1973 , #1435 overall | Acclaimed: #753

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I'm supposed to complain that for all his wizardry he's not a star yet, but just you wait, he can't miss, the Mozart of his generation, that last a direct quote from a fan who collared me at a concert once. Bushwa. His productivity is a pleasure, but it always makes for mess. Examine the enclosed fifty-odd minutes and you'll find a minor songwriter with major woman problems who's good with the board and isn't saved by his sense of humor. B- -- R. Christgau

With each successive album, Todd Rundgren becomes more of a wizard at playing that most complex of modern instruments, the recording studio. He is, by now, nothing less than a master of the complete book of production tricks. But, ironically, his passion for asserting technological expertise has become the major stumbling block to making the one record that will finally catapult him to the "true stardom" he seems to want so much.

The fealty of Todd's most devoted fans will be challenged by the form and content of side one of A Wizard, A True Star. It is his most experimental, and annoying, effort to date.

Having demonstrated to his cult that he was capable of cutting every vocal and instrumental track, as he did on most of last year's engaging but flawed Something/Anything? (although his work on bass and especially on drums left something to be desired), Todd has now tried to deliver a tour de force in production on his fourth solo venture -- or seventh, if you are an auteurist who sees the three Nazz sets as essentially Rundgren vehicles.

Side one of AWATS, a "concept" song cycle called "International Feel (In 8)," is Todd's magical mystery tour that attempts to unify highly divergent musical and lyrical elements into a suite. Throughout the performance, more a jarring pastiche than a carefully woven tapestry, it sounds like Todd is daring his listeners to keep up with his new direction, which is both ludicrously grandiose and something of a put-on. In the second line of the title song he sings, "I only want to see if you'll give up on me." A bit of critic-baiting, perhaps?

From the same song's refrain, "but there's always more," which reinforces Todd's position as rock's most unabashed eclectic. There is always more music and production techniques that Todd can borrow, from the Spectorian psychedelic soundwall (replete with phased drums) of the title cut, to the graceful Stravinsky-Zappa synthesizer arabesques on "Flamingo" to the gorgeous chimera of "Never Never Land" (from the show, Peter Pan).

And there is still more, but most of it is dreck, such as the adaptation of the silly novelty tune "Toot Toot Tootsie" to "Da Da Dali," whose art is the visual equivalent of Wizard's first side. (El Salvador obviously provided the inspiration for the cover art.) After awhile one wishes that instead of the gratuitous use of sound, more of the record had been devoted to music.

The primary difficulties with "International Feel (In 8)," are the conspicuous absence of any fully developed melodies, save for the shimmering "Never Never Land" (which Todd sings with arresting wistfulness), the occasionally faulty intonation in Todd's singing and the garish, cluttered production. Here we have an artist who, intentionally or otherwise -- his over-indulgence seems premeditated -- has run amok. Side one is a campy catastrophe, fraught with technical brilliance and excessive and undirected egotism.

By contrast, side two ("A True Star?") fares better. Todd's excesses are controlled, his falsetto vocals have that frail and tangible quality that made his masterpiece, The Ballad of Todd Rundgren so haunting and the music is considerably more listenable.

"Sometimes I Don't Know What to Feel" is classic Rundgren. The singer is bewildered, hurt and frightened by the world but does not want to admit to his friends that he is baffled and alone. Todd uses a ten-piece backup band to play more than a secondary role in relation to studio pyro-technics. The horns build and release tension expertly as Todd confesses his self-doubts.

The highlight of the record, however, is the Soul Medley, in which Todd plays tribute to the Impressions, the Miracles, the Delphonics and the Capitols. The first three selections, "I'm So Proud," "Ooh Baby Baby" and "La La Means I Love You," feature Rundgren's plaintive singing that conveys a feeling of a kid vocalizing along with the originals late at night, fantasizing about crooning to his dream girl. The lovely synthesizer and harpsichord arrangements reveal Todd's respect for Stevie Wonder's recent recordings.

"Cool Jerk" is a sprightly send-up of the Capitol's dance party hit, done in jerky, thoroughly undanceable 7/4 time. Similarly, "Hungry For Love," with its Leon Russell piano style and "Is It My Name," a guitar rave-up that recalls Nazz' rampaging "Under The Ice," illustrate the wide gap between the puerile silliness of side one and the inspired fun on the second side.

Todd's love song, "I Don't Want to Tie You Down," sounds forced and a bit too gossamer but the finale, "Just One Victory" (whose melody line harkens back to "Birthday Carol" on the Runtalbum) is a production masterwork, characterized by the subtle touches such as glockenspiels, bongos and ornate backing vocals that made The Ballad of Todd Rundgren such a delight.

I doubt that even the staunchest Rundgren cultists will want to subject themselves to most of the japery on side one, which would be better suited for a cartoon soundtrack. One the other hand, side two's restraint, its brimming good humor and its ambience of innocence is irresistible, and helps save A Wizard, A True Star from total disaster. -- James Isaacs, RS

Todd Rundgren's new one contains 11 cuts and 53 minutes of music on one disc. A Wizard/A True Star is the usual maddening Rundgren smorgasbord of campy, cutesy-poo rock, pop harmonies, sweet shrillness, Alice Cooper visuals, tape tricks and farts. It's, maybe, the Todd Rundgren philosophy, as in "Just One Victory" and, to an extent, in the hard-rock "Is It My Name?" and in the repetitive strangeness of "Sometimes I Don't Know What to Feel," all of which are from the flip side. The first side is even more weird, incoherent, funny and, somehow, brilliant. Todd is surely not, as one of his titles would have it, "Just Another Onionhead." – Playboy

Todd Rundgren's 1973 was clearly like no one else's. He was riding high on a wave of apparently boundless talent. He had been hoping to follow up Something/Anything? with yet another double album, but the oil crisis led to a vinyl shortage. Always one to embrace limitations, Rundgren took on a different project: a 19 to 24 track (depending on how you count) album, which, like all of Rundgren's work, showcased his exceptional abilities as a vocalist and musician, at the same time as it challenged and delighted his audience.

"There are no limitations as to what is sung about or what the music sounds like, or how long it is...or whether it is even music at all," he said at the time. So, "When The Shit Hits the Fan" harks back to Pet Sounds; "Zen Archer" (a longtime live favorite in the Seventies) is a long, loping foray into cosmic pop, all falsetto and flair. "Rock And Roll Pussy" was, apparently, about John Lennon -- famously having his "lost weekend" year in L.A. at the time; the two had a public spat about Rundgren's pronouncements on Lennon's behavior.

Jumping between styles and sounds, the album is hard to digest at first, but Rundgren's great strength is his ability to write incredible songs. The intricacy of the die-cut original sleeve does not translate well to CD: the theme, clearly, is mirrors, and there is a coded message on the front which might merely be the album title in pseudo-runes -- but who really knows? -- David Nichols, 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die


review
[-] by Stephen Thomas Erlewine

Something/Anything? proved that Todd Rundgren could write a pop classic as gracefully as any of his peers, but buried beneath the surface were signs that he would never be satisfied as merely a pop singer/songwriter. A close listen to the album reveals the eccentricities and restless spirit that surges to the forefront on its follow-up, A Wizard, a True Star. Anyone expecting the third record of Something/Anything?, filled with variations on "I Saw the Light" and "Hello It's Me," will be shocked by A Wizard. As much a mind-f*ck as an album, A Wizard, a True Star rarely breaks down to full-fledged songs, especially on the first side, where songs and melodies float in and out of a hazy post-psychedelic mist. Stylistically, there may not be much new -- he touched on so many different bases on Something/Anything? that it's hard to expand to new territory -- but it's all synthesized and assembled in fresh, strange ways. Often, it's a jarring, disturbing listen, especially since Rundgren's humor has turned bizarre and insular. It truly takes a concerted effort on the part of the listener to unravel the record, since Rundgren makes no concessions -- not only does the soul medley jerk in unpredictable ways, but the anthemic closer, "Just One Victory," is layered with so many overdubs that it's hard to hear its moving melody unless you pay attention. And that's the key to understanding A Wizard, a True Star -- it's one of those rare rock albums that demands full attention and, depending on your own vantage, it may even reward such close listening.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

I'll probably comment a bit more later on 'finds' from the noms/poll - but damn am I just loving all of the Mandrill I can get my hands on (psych/hard rock/metal/punker/bloos/boogie head speakin' here, too ...)

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

I agree halfway, Sex Pistols don't use synthesizers, therefore they are dull.

You do know that they were originally going to call the album Never Mind The Buchlas right?

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

Soft Machine's Third makes me think 1970 was like a convergence of diverse musical geniuses (the Softs, Miles Davis, McLaughlin, Van Der Graaf, Amon Duul II, etc.) all training their third eye on fusing jazz psychedelia into some heavy cosmic shit. I'd like to think Hendrix would have scrapped most of the stuff that was issued and gone the same way had he lived.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link

Actually if no-one's done it already, someone needs to do a cover album called Never Moog The Bollocks

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

Best thing about Third is Robert Wyatt's drumming, total revelation to me when I focussed in on his parts.

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

ooo-err etc

acid in the style of tenpole tudor (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

total revelation to me when I focussed in on his parts
lolol that's what the barefoot person said
i love the vibe in the picture of that room and i love that album, but i don't have anything partic deep to say about it

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

Moon in June is his masterpiece

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

40. LA DUSSELDORF Viva (3172 Points, 25 Votes)
RYM: #164 for 1978

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Well, where do I begin. I've had this album for several years now and I still can't get over how good it is. It IS my favourite album, whatever it is I'm listening to at the time, whether it be something as far out as our good friend Julian or as (for want of a better word) soul-less as Steve Reich, I know I can always tune in to "Viva" and be blown away. 

I first bought this record after becoming bored with the three main NEU! releases. I like NEU! alot, but for me they don't deliver as well as some other Krautrock projects. Don't get me wrong, I love all their stuff, but I sometimes feel that Michael Rother's sappy guitar parts get a bit to prevailant and much prefer the Klaus Dinger dominated tracks. So I decided to buy a La D. album. I ummed and errred for ages; the releases back then were dead expensive and I didn't want to make a choice I'd regret. Eventually I settled on Viva simply because it'd sold the best out of the three (topping 1 million copies if wikipedia is to be believed). 

I have to say, I was not impressed. On first listen I found all the track cheesy to an almost ABBA degree and really believed I'd wasted my money. Viva remained at the back of my collection for about 6 months, gathering dust, until one lucky twist. I was browsing the net and came across a webite made by Astral Pedestrian. AP is a none too famous ambient/indie artist who's two albums were released on a tiny record label for next to nothing. His music is pleasant, if a bit on the 'advert music' side. Anyway, back to the point, Astral Pedestrian highly rates Dinger's music to the point of obsession. He had written long reviews of his two favourite Dinger albums; Neondian (long out of print 80s solo album) and Cha Cha 2000 Live in Tokyo (a 90s live performance of the seminal track from Viva that accidentally lasted for a whole two discs). AP had also provided samples of one track from each album. I listened to both and instantly knew I must order both CDs. I bought Cha Cha live for an extortionate price, but even so.

Whilst waiting for my new Dinger CDs to ship to me I started listening to Viva again. Wow. How could I have owned such a monumental album without realising?

We open with the title track, a song with perhaps the best into I ever heard. The noise of a German radio football commentator getting excited as Dinger's beloved Fortuna Dusseldorf score a goal. Just as the crowd cheers the murky guitars of La D. chug in. It's not a synchronised opening, not even vaguely, which makes it special. You see Dinger (and his two co-members, Thomas Dinger, his brother, and Hans Lampe, a studio engineer from the NEU! years) never tried to be serious. The whole album contains an unmistakeable vibe of three young men having lots of fun. No drudgery in this recording process; they'd kicked out producer Conny Plank after the previous album, a liberating move. 

Viva is as much of a chantable, scarf-waving anthem as you could ever have wanted. As Dinger sings the vocals (all about peace and love and beauty, this is a highly idiolistic album, occasionally verging on cheesy, but thats the fun bit!) the choir of Thomas Dingers behind him mimic the football crowd. The instumentation is unique; the three primary instruments (bar drums, this is Dinger music after all) are synth, guitar and organ, yet you wouldn't be able to distinguish between them. They for a kind of swirling stew of beautiful and very European harmonies. Yet its not all soft, it has a punky (well, not punky but... post-punky, no.... new wavey?... no, just Dinger) edge to it and is as much a rush of energy as any pop song can be.

Viva crashes out after two minutes, leaving only the undelying organ swirl standing. Just as you think its all over a new song speeds towards you at an autobahn-worthy speed: White Overalls. It's a very catchy song, lyrically its almost comic (New style in the city / Oh yeah / White overalls/ White overalls/ White angels fly/ White overdoses/ White overdoses) but it's even more a joyous motorik outpouring than it's predecessor. A sing along and a half. A short reprise to Viva at the end and we finally fade away after waht seems much too nutritious to have been only four minutes.

Then its time for Rheinita. Rheinita got #3 in Germany at the time, but the group couldn't play it live and so did a bit of a one hit wonder. A sampled church choir laden with context-obscuring echo lead us in before suddenly cutting out to a Hans Lampe drum part of beautiful simplicity. The trademark organ/guitar/synth lineup build up, playing a raptuous melody of thirds, pure bliss. Over the seven minutes there are no vocals (all the more of an accheivement to have got it to number three, one German radio station even had it at number one for 6 months) but a piano is added and we traverse a great range of improvised melodies, all staggeringly beautiful. We fade out to birdsong (those who remember 'Hero' from NEU! '75 will be familliar) and into Geld. 

Geld is as punky as La D. ever got. Not very, but even no. A riff (again in thirds) of synth glittering introduces us before the guitars churn into action. This is angry. A protest song against monetary culture, something we can all agree with, if a bit hippyish in places (make love, make love, make love not war). Then in the middle it collapses (looooovvee is all you need, says an old Beatles song). We build back up to the original motorik splendour and the track cuts after about seven minutes. 

Now, at the end of side one. Wow. What an album. 

Then next track, and all of side two on the original, is an epic. Cha Cha 2000. Dinger made a total of seven version of this song throughout his career. The song is Dinger, Dinger is the song. The same combo of organ/synth/guitar, preceeded by a few Star Wars-esque synth laser beams lead us in. 

Cha Cha 2000
Cha Cha 2000
Cha Cha 2000
Cha Cha 2000
Dance to the future with me
Cha Cha 2000
Laser blue eyes
Can see paradise
Where the rivers are blue
And the wars are all gone
And the air is clean
And the grass is green
So get out of your car
And stand on your feet

It sounds unlikely, but this is a winning formula. We rave on in an ever faster spiral (reminds me of a mimed version of Rheinita from 1979 in which the Dinger brothers quite literally spin themselves round and round until they are dizzy and fall over) until with a scream we fall (down down down) to a piano impro part. From here we build gradually back to the original track, and before you know it, the song is over. Just trust me, it's brilliant. 

The artwork also says alot. The back of the lyrics sheet was a collage of photos of the band. They are all grinning madly and in all kind of wierd poses, all just glad to be alive. This unbounded joy is what makes Viva great. Never has such an aura surrounded an album as this. Who else would intersperce such a serious song as 'Geld' with bits of 50s doo-wap and random shreiking? No, no-one else. 

Viva started me on a long line, and I am proud to say I have joined the select club of Dinger obsessives. I have all his albums (bar the impossible 'Die (b)Engel Des Herrn', and each one is such a cut above anything else. Nothing compares to Dinger. No matter what anyone says about his work, even the 'it looks dodgy to me' late 90s la! NEU? albums and the two unofficial NEU! albums are gold. I can not stress enough how good Dinger's music is. It's hairraising and funny and hypnotic and... oh he was just amazing.

To conclude, RIP to Klaus. We may soon have two more Dinger albums, depending on whether Miki Yui and co. decide to rerelease what he was working on when he died. For all are sakes, I hope she does. – KosmischeSynth, Head Heritage


review
by Archie Patterson

La Dusseldorf's Viva crystallized Klaus Dinger's progressive rock vision into a symphony of swirling guitars, rich keyboard melodies and driving percussive beats. The magnum opus "Cha, Cha 2000," will forever stand as one of the all-time anthems of futurist rock & roll.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

I like the jazz side of the Softs and like quite a few of the post-wyatt and even post-hopper albums but my favorite part of the band is the fusion of songs and... uh fusion. so Third is kind of sad in that it marks the rift between those two sides of the band.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

Hendrix's tentative explorations of cosmic psych-prog (1983 being the apotheosis) were already incredible. Man, how I wish he'd lived. But then I'd have not been born as my dad would have smoked too much weed to work at the firm where he met my mum

(Moon In June is my favourite song of all time)

I uh need to head more German psych-rock

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

VIVA! such an uplifting album. anytime I put it on I feel like some kind of olympic superhero.

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link

And about Davis, any reason why Bitches Brew wasn't nominated? It was released Jan 1970, right? Cuz with Live-Evil, Big Fun, Pangaea, Dark Magus, Get Up With It, Agharta all placing, there's no shortage of Davis supporters.

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

Soft Machine's Third is my favorite album by them, its incoherence is much preferable to their later more coherent and boring offerings.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link

I like vol 2 the best but wrong decade

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link

Despite my bitching the other day (really wasn't bitching, just a pointless comment about where my taste is these days), I want to say that these poll results have been fairly interesting.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

imago you need to listen to more funk then perhaps you will realise music shouldnt just be an art school project!

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link

At this point I'm actually far more interested in seeing what the next previously-unknown-to-me record will be than in seeing which Who record will place the highest. So far really digging Family and Ohio Players (heard of, not heard), gonna investigate Brainticket and about 400 others.

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link

btw we're taking it down to 31 tonight so lets get on with it

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link

funk's all about subtle momentum-shifts and getting all heady (with ass to follow) though innit, can totally dig that

delete (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link

39. SUICIDE Suicide (3268 Points, 23 Votes)
RYM: #15 for 1977 , #443 overall | Acclaimed: #184 | RS: #446 | Pitchfork: #39

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A friend who loves this record offers the attractive theoretical defense that it unites the two strains of "new wave" rock minimalism--neoclassy synthesizer and three-chord barrage. So maybe it will prove popular among theoreticians. For the rest of us, though, there are little problems like lyrics that reduce serious politics to rhetoric, singing that makes rhetoric sound lurid, and the way the manic eccentricity of this duo's live performance turns to silliness on record. C+ -- R. Christgau

Suicide (1977) is a nearly perfect relic of mid-'70s Manhattan attitudes, a portrait of society grinding down to self-destruction. Rev's powerful minimalist repetition catapults Vega's pained and constantly cracking voice through indictments of Vietnam mentality ("Ghost Rider"), broken romance ("Cheree," "Girl") and holocausts both public and personal ("Rocket USA," "Frankie Teardrop"). Stolid and restrained, the record simmers with repressed emotion and excellent, unusual performances. Nearly three years later, the LP was reissued with "I Remember," "Keep Your Dreams" and "96 Tears" added -- Trouser Press

"I've heard stolen riffs before, but this is far worse: rapine and pillage of entire concepts. In theory, the duo known as Suicide adheres to the New Wave doctrines of minimalism and reverence for a grittier, more powerful and truer rock & roll past. They've stripped down all accompaniment to a single synthesizer bank that provides only metronomic percussion, pedal-point bass and a few simple Kraftwerkian chord changes. (My God, the Ramones know more progressions.) And the instrument, played by AMartin Rev, has the exact timbre of something you'd hear in a skating rink.

Suicide's songs are absolutely puerile, and Alan Vega's vocal convey nothing but arrogance and wholesale insensibility. "Frankie Teardrop" is about a laid-off factory worker who kills his starving infant son in an obvious but ineffective parody of the Doors' "The End." If it weren't for the fact that this band has been around since the early Seventies glory days of New York City's Mercer Arts Center, I'd dismiss them immediately as trendy fakes. I might anyway, since persistence doesn't legitimize this kind of idiocy." -- Michael Bloom, RS 

Though hardly cut from whole cloth (but what is?), Suicide's first record is a triumph of minimalism that reverberates through so much music that has come since - from the Jesus & Mary Chain's Psychocandy to the Dirty Beaches' Badlands. Suicide was #446 on RS's 500 greatest albums list. -- schmidtt, Rolling Stone's 500 Worst Reviews of All Time.


review
[-] by Heather Phares

Proof that punk was more about attitude than a raw, guitar-driven sound, Suicide's self-titled debut set the duo apart from the rest of the style's self-proclaimed outsiders. Over the course of seven songs, Martin Rev's dense, unnerving electronics -- including a menacing synth bass, a drum machine that sounds like an idling motorcycle, and harshly hypnotic organs -- and Alan Vega's ghostly, Gene Vincent-esque vocals defined the group's sound and provided the blueprints for post-punk, synth pop, and industrial rock in the process. Though those seven songs shared the same stripped-down sonic template, they also show Suicide's surprisingly wide range. The exhilarated, rebellious "Ghost Rider" and "Rocket U.S.A." capture the punk era's thrilling nihilism -- albeit in an icier way than most groups expressed it -- while "Cheree" and "Girl" counter the rest of the album's hard edges with a sensuality that's at once eerie and alluring. And with its retro bassline and simplistic, stylized lyrics, "Johnny" explores Suicide's affinity for '50s melodies and images, as well as their pop leanings. But none of this is adequate preparation for "Frankie Teardrop," one of the duo's definitive moments, and one of the most harrowing songs ever recorded. A ten-minute descent into the soul-crushing existence of a young factory worker, Rev's tense, repetitive rhythms and Vega's deadpan delivery and horrifying, almost inhuman screams make the song more literally and poetically political than the work of bands who wore their radical philosophies on their sleeves. [The Mute reissue includes "Keep Your Dreams" and the "Cheree" remix that appeared on previous versions of the album, along with live versions of "Las Vegas Man," "Mr. Ray," and "23 Minutes Over Brussels"; though the extra tracks dilute the original album's impact somewhat, they're worthwhile supplements to one of the punk era's most startlingly unique works.]

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link

I wouldn't say most funk I've heard is very subtle. Except for the flutes -- they can be very subtle with the flutes.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link

woo, go VIVA

if florian fricke and klaus dinger ever met in a misty forest, i'm pretty sure they would magically be transformed into 20 meter ur-gods with gleaming swords

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago) link

Suicide's songs are absolutely puerile, and Alan Vega's vocal convey nothing but arrogance and wholesale insensibility.

Damn Rolling Stone, why don't you tell us how you really feel? Like the band's name isn't in itself an indicator of the kind of moral quagmire they trade in...

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

xpost i forgot an important bit of context there, which is that Viva has this awesome vibe of mythical medieval futurism that's close to a lot of popol vuh's work of the same period

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link

Rolling Stone reviewer hates Suicide more than Christgau!

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

A friend who loves this record offers the attractive theoretical defense that it unites the two strains of "new wave" rock minimalism--neoclassy synthesizer and three-chord barrage. So maybe it will prove popular among theoreticians. For the rest of us, though, there are little problems like lyrics that reduce serious politics to rhetoric, singing that makes rhetoric sound lurid, and the way the manic eccentricity of this duo's live performance turns to silliness on record. C+ -- R. Christgau

LOL, people that listen to the music are "theoreticians" but people who overanalyze the lyrics are "the rest of us."

wk, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link

good to see that old rock bores hated on Suicide, I bet they loved that. Great album, too low.

Neil S, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:31 (eleven years ago) link

xpost i forgot an important bit of context there, which is that Viva has this awesome vibe of mythical medieval futurism that's close to a lot of popol vuh's work of the same period

― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Great post.

timellison, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link

He can't analyze Black Sabbath lyrics though, cause they are just too slow to understand apparently.

Everybody wants a piece of the (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link

38. RICHARD HELL & THE VOIDOIDS Blank Generation (3292 Points, 25 Votes)
RYM: #55 for 1977, #2734 overall | Acclaimed: #540

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Like all the best CBGB bands, the Voidoids make unique music from a reputedly immutable formula, with jagged, shifting rhythms accentuated by Hell's indifference to vocal amenities like key and timbre. I'm no great devotee of this approach, which harks back to Captain Beefheart. So when I say that Hell's songs get through to me, that's a compliment: I intend to save this record for those very special occasions when I feel like turning into a nervous wreck. A- -- R. Christgau

That lyric sums up Hell's attitude, which he expanded and perfected on Blank Generationwith a new version of the title track and such powerful statements as "Love Comes in Spurts" (an old tune the Heartbreakers recycled into "One Track Mind") and "New Pleasure." The album combines manic William Burroughs-influenced poetry and raw-edged music for the best rock presentation of nihilism and existential angst ever. Hell's voice, fluctuating from groan to shriek, is more impassioned and expressive than a legion of Top 40 singers. (Besides solid liner notes, the 1990 CD adds two tracks — "I'm Your Man," a non-LP B-side from '79, and "All the Way," a Sinatra cover done for the Smithereens soundtrack — and substitutes an inferior alternate version of "Down at the Rock and Roll Club.") -- Trouser Press

Richard Hell has been touted as an underground genius for nearly three years, and this debut album boldly tries to document him as such. The result is thirty-odd minutes of grinding sadomasochistic rock.

Hell is now feuding with Television's Tom Verlaine, but they began theii rise to label deals as a team. They were hick street-poets in a group called the Neon Boys (later Television) when Hell wrote the two best songs on this album, "Blank Generation" and "Love Comes in Spurts."

"Blank Generation" is Hell's bug-eyed punk anthem: "I was saying let me out of here before I was even born . . . . I belong to the blank generation/ And I can take it or leave it each time . . . ." Where English punk rockers spit aggression, their American counterparts offer a vacuum.

Hell did a stint as bass player in the Heartbreakers with ex-New York Dolls Jerry Nolan and Johnny Thunder, but he left those martyrs of the New Wave to form his own band. "Love Comes in Spurts" has all the earmarks of the younger New York bands: a half-sobbed, double-time lead vocal, patently dumb backup singing and chattering dual guitars.

But Hell, confident that his presence and lyrics can transcend so artless a rock medium, likes to wallow in it. This tends to make an eight-minute song like "Another World" sound like beatnik indulgence. The Fugs did the same thing as a jug band much more wittily. And while Hell has said in print that his singing cuts Verlaine's he doesn't prove it; even on the deliberately crooned "Betrayal Takes Two," he's not as expressive as his old partner.

When Hell departs momentarily from his schtick, singing Creedence Clearwater's "Walking on the Water" over a caustic guitar line, he does sound like a visionary; his Kentucky boyhood seems to surface. And every second of "Blank Generation," right down to the mocking falsetto kiss-off, shows that Hell is a talent. But there's not much on this record that proves Hell has gained any ground since he wrote that riddle of defiance. -- Fred Schruers, RS

In the first place, Jack Kerouac said everything here first, and far better. In the second place, Hell is about as whining as Verlaine is pretentious. -- Dave Marsh, RS Record Guide

Yeah, after reading On the Road I'm not sure why people bother listening to music at all. -- schmidtt, Rolling Stone's 500 Worst Reviews of All Time.

Possibly the only album from the core CBGB’s scene that’s underrated. It didn’t make either ILM 70s polls, nor the Rolling Stone or Pitchfork lists. It was only 663 among RYM’s 70′s albums. It did fare better on Acclaimed music at 170 of 70′s, 540 overall. But it’s one of my top 100 all-time favorite albums. In the Please Kill Me oral history, many claimed Television was at their best before Richard Hell left. There is something to be said for creative tension, but usually I think it was for the best, as Marquee Moon is perfect to my ears. It made sense when Hell went on to join the sloppy Heartbreakers. It seemed ironic to me that when Hell formed the Voidoids with two guitarists – Robert Quine and Ivan Julian, Blank Generation ended up sounding like a kind of companion album to Television’s. Obviously Quine’s brilliant style, while as virtuosic as Verlaine, was also more angular and spastic, a little more influence from Beefheart’s Magic Band. And while Hell’s original poetic inspirations and aspirations were similar to Verlaine’s, his lyrics are much more witty and crass, his vocal delivery a hundred times more unhinged. It’s enough to make one wonder what it would have been like if Hell stayed in Television, but to hear old songs like “Love Comes In Spurts” and “Blank Generation,” (which, from what I heard from old Television demos and bootlegs still needed some work) it’s enough to hear them finally hatched by Hell and the Voidoids in their final, perfect incarnations. It blows my mind that some thought Blank Generation was a disappointment at the time. Possibly because those in the scene were jaded after hearing many of the songs for years, thinking the album was a year or two late to arrive, with Hell and the band already starting to fall apart due to the usual drug-related b.s. But from where I stand I can’t imagine changing anything that could improve it. -- Fastnbulbous


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[-] by Mark Deming

Richard Hell was one of the first men on the scene when punk rock first began to emerge in New York City as an early member of both Television and the Heartbreakers (he left both groups before they could record), but his own version of punk wasn't much like anyone else's, and while Hell's debut album, Blank Generation, remains one of the most powerful to come from punk's first wave, anyone expecting a Ramones/Dead Boys-style frontal assault from this set had better readjust their expectations. "Love Comes in Spurts" and "Liar's Beware" proved the Voidoids could play fast and loud when they wanted to, but for the most part this group's formula was much more complicated than that; guitarists Robert Quine and Ivan Julian bounced sharp, edgy patterns off each other that were more about psychological tension than brute force (though Quine's solos suggest a fragile grace beneath the surface of their neo-Beefheart chaos), and while most punk nihilism was of the simplistic "Everything Sucks" variety, Hell was (with the exception of Patti Smith) the most literate and consciously poetic figure in the New York punk scene. While there's little on the album that's friendly or life-affirming, there's a crackling intelligence to songs like "New Pleasure," "Betrayal Takes Two," and "Another World" that confirmed Hell has a truly unique lyrical voice, at once supremely self-confident and dismissive of nearly everything around him (sometimes including himself). Brittle and troubling, but brimming with ideas and musical intelligence, Blank Generation was groundbreaking punk rock that followed no one's template, and today it sounds just as fresh -- and nearly as abrasive -- as it did when it first hit the racks.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link


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