2008 Primaries Thread

lol, hillary is a beacon of warmth and light and everyone who questions her is a robot

“In her personal life, she’s always seemed like she had something to hide,” Dee Dee Myers, who was a top adviser on Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign, and who served as White House press secretary for the first two years of his Presidency, said. “She had a difficult father, and she spent a lot of time trying to create an image of a functional family when she could have just said, ‘It’s my family.’ The burden of perfection was upon her, and she carried it into her marriage. There’s always this fear of letting people see what they already know.”

one more sexist asshole, amirite?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/104430

The burden of perfection was upon her, and she carried it into her marriage. There’s always this fear of letting people see what they already know.

Ha. This reminds me of so many of my friends' parents, back in grade school and high school, keeping up an image of a perfect family because everyone else did too. I wish I had some articles I've read on this to bring up here, some.. reflections on the feminist movement and wondering how.. it opened doors for women but at the same time, had many feeling like now they had to be perfect at everything. advance all the way up the corporate ladder, break that glass ceiling, and iron everybody's shirts..

I'm baffled at Herbert quoting a random posting on a "major news blog" to make a point. You know, I do wonder if there's been a concerted effort on the part of the Obama campaign to portray the Clintons as responsible for the "Obama is a Muslim manchurian candidate" smear making the rounds. That's such garbage - those right wing emails have been circulating since his Senate campaign four years ago - only different is, now the so-called liberal blogosphere has realized it and thinks it's new news.

packer appears to be one of those people who tries to have no discernable judgment about anything)

Have you read The Assassins' Gate?

You know, I do wonder if there's been a concerted effort on the part of the Obama campaign to portray the Clintons as responsible for the "Obama is a Muslim manchurian candidate" smear making the rounds. That's such garbage

yeah, that's why Kerrey repeated that shit or are you gonna continue to pretend they don't know exactly what they're doing?

Sully quotes The Harvard Crimson editorial endorsing 'bama. I must say, it's better than what I read in my students' college newspaper.

Daria, I had dinner with my friend's family a few weeks back and the wacky right-wing uncle brought up the Obama-is-a-Muslim thing. Those e-mails may have been around for a while, but they're definitely getting a lot more attention now. That's certainly understandable, since he's a much more prominent figure than he was 4 years ago, but it's also very real, I think.

But yeah, Herbert quoting what looked like a blog comment is nutso.

i like how hillary's toughness is supposed to be this great feminist signifier of all the things women have to face and men don't when all of these studies of her make clear it goes back to a childhood in which she was brought up by a strong-willed woman and a strong-willed man who wanted her to be equally strong-willed, and that this personality developed significantly before she ever came close to the job market. and precisely what glass ceilings did she face that put the armor on her? i fail to recall anything in her working experience like the sandra day o'connor story of being offered secretarial positions - everyone regarded her as a star from the beginning, and by all accounts she had her pick of opportunities and rose up the ladder without obstacles and with apparent ease.

Well, I'll have to reevaluate my personal experience of these issues, I suppose. One of which is that there is rarely anything precise you can point to about a glass ceiling. If there were, if it wasn't more about the aggregate of subtle things, life would be easier.

In other words, re asking: where's the glass ceiling? she didn't face that, everyone made things easy for her, her accomplishments don't really count, and the condescending "i like how this is supposed to be a great feminist signifier"

DUDE, YOU ARE AN EXAMPLE OF THIS RIGHT NOW.

I want to see the studies that prove her parents were strong-willed. They sound interesting!

dude, you are becoming incoherent. i'm not condescending to hillary or saying her accomplishments don't count, i'm attacking what other people are projecting on her by reference to the actual facts of her life.

roxy, pls to read any book or article about hillary's early life

Your favorite Hershey bar is Krackel.

xpost her accomplishments don't really count

I think it would be more accurate to say that her accomplishment count for exactly what they are, and do not rate extra points for the fact that they are the accomplishments of a woman instead of a man.

I don't suppose you would be very happy with someone who praised HRC on these terms: "well, for a woman, you have to admit she's pretty capable" or conversely, "you have to allow HRC to fail more often than a man, because women always start a step behind men".

It is more satisfying all the way around to say, HRC is the best person who is running, and here is why...(insert accomplishments here).

nice one, xp

Gabbnebb, I look into your eyes and I see a K, a G, and a B.

is that what they teach in yr "college"?

Yes. You are exactly correct.

Rhetoric has long been a mainstay of curricula.

Actually, I was quoting what McCain said just now.

(About Putin, not gabbnebb.)

roxxxzakkk seems a little light on reading comprehension - i regard hersheys as more edible kitsch than food (i prefer lindt excellence dark) and krackel is the kitschiest.

Edible kitsch!

see also: gnawing on a gnarden gnome

http://schools.bcps.org/schools/chs/catonsville/history/images/edible-shoe.jpg

if hillary ends up winning the nomination, it's going to be quite interesting to see gabb's contortions to justify his support for her nomination.

In his autobio, Michael Medved, the right wing film critic, has a mildly creepy section devoted to his Yale friendship with Hillary, who he was obviously in lurve with. He describes her as the nicest, warmest, smartest girl in the world, who stays up all night comforting him when he feels depressed--and then Slick Willy shows up and sweeps her off her feet.

Good lord, that's a vision I didn't need.

he wanted to give her his vast, right-wing (CENSORED)

the mind boggles at the historical implications of it all if this coupling HAD actually come to pass ...

SO NOT GONNA HAPPEN indeed ...

http://www.fraterslibertas.com/Images/Radio/medvedralphie.jpg

if hillary ends up winning the nomination, it's going to be quite interesting to see gabb's contortions to justify his support for her nomination.

dude, no contortions of any kind are required. this is all about who i think has the best chance of winning. i've admitted a) i could be wrong about that, and b) i like hil just fine and am happy to support her (probably happier than i would to support edwards, but obviously not as happy to support O).

get that mo-ron off m thread, xp

Breaking News 7:01 PM ET:
A.P. and Television Networks Project Obama as Winner in South Carolina

CNN: a "strong" win; unable to project 2nd place (probably to keep people watching, but who knows?)

Edwards "running third"

Second place -- 'decline to state'

hurrrrraahhhhh

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/26/exit-polls-bill-clintons-effect/

COLUMBIA, S.C. - Barack Obama routed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the racially-charged South Carolina primary Saturday night, regaining campaign momentum in the prelude to a Feb. 5 coast-to-coast competition for more than 1,600 Democratic National Convention delegates.

Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina was running third, a sharp setback in the state where he was born and scored a primary victory in his first presidential campaign four years ago.

The Associated Press made its call based on surveys of voters as they left the polls.

About half the voters were black, according to polling place interviews, and four out of five of them supported Obama. Black women turned out in particularly large numbers. Obama, the first-term Illinois senator, got a quarter of the white vote while Clinton and Edwards split the rest.

why do they gotta go with "racially-charged"? can't they just say "hotly contested" or something. idiots.

Ah, the news media--they didn't say anything until voting was over, and the moment it was they projected a winner based on exit polls. Good try guys!

Ah, the news media--they didn't say anything until voting was over, and the moment it was they projected a winner based on exit polls. Good try guys!

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Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida will endorse John McCain

One more ...

CNN and MSNBC are projecting that Hillary Rodham Clinton will come in second; John Edwards will be third.

lolz @ Obama's dig at Strom Thurmond - best zinger of his speech