i have never heard any version of "Apologize" without the Timbaland production on it, one exists?
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
hmm yeah they're so similar i never realized there was a difference -- the Tedder one even has the vaguely Timbo-ish kick drum pattern, Tim just seems to have added hi-hats and his walrus hoot backup vox
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
dying @ "walrus hoot"
"Halo" is a song I have never been able to stand even slightly. I did fux with "Apologize" (in either version) until it became unbearably overplayed tho.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
"Coming Home" is brilliant, but that's a case of great songwriting overcoming the form.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
when I was still confused about its authorship I thought, "Hmm -- wow. Why doesn't Enrique sing like this more often?"
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
it's hilarious how "Coming Home" has the most ilx-beloved verses penned by Jay-Z in the last few years
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
damn, "Apologize" was apparently the biggest radio airplay hit in the history of the Pop Songs radio in North America, with 10,394 plays in one week, until its record was broken by Leona Lewis's "Bleeding Love", which was also co-written by Tedder
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:44 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and co-written by J. Cole!
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
"Apologize" was inescapable November 2007 through most of 2008 iirc
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
haha
When speaking to Kid about what he wanted, Diddy said, "I want a beat that makes me feel like a white man in a basement in Atlanta".[5]
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
lmao
― 乒乓, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
if i ever change my username im changing it to 'a white man in a basement in atlanta'
― 乒乓, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
oh yes, can't forget how much ILX loves Alex da Kid and Skylar Grey
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
huh?
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
/sarc
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
sometimes you get so close to becoming the Geir who actually knows something about music theory― some dude, Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:19 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― some dude, Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:19 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's not just the melody - I like the sound of the record a lot, too. I like the synth (plus sounds like on overdriven guitar) intro, I like some of the harmonies, I like his singing on it. Love the would-be coda with the (fake?) strings at around the five minute mark.
― timellison, Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
btw the other '80s song I was thinking of that has that same "whoa-oa" is "Allentown."
― timellison, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah but even as a sarcastic comment it doesn't really make sense unless you were misreading my jay comment in some weird way (xp)
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0n9Dv6XnY
All the "whoa-oa"'s of the 80's handily combined in one song.
― breastcrawl, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
all the whoa-oas ever recorded
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
xxpost sarc of sd
― Tim F, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
xpost
That would be this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkyeaIWTlzQ
― breastcrawl, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
i still hate "halo", what a cloying, simplistic melody
that it's beyonce canon is unforgivable
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks, guys. All I'm gonna do is listen to remixes of "Tarzan Boy" for the rest of the afternoon.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
you know how to party
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
gimme the order!
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
at least, unlike half of 20/20, it has a melody at all
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
ridiculous
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 24 March 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:14 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no, I was just pointing out the nexus of old hov/j. cole/skylar grey/alex da kid which by all rights should have resulted in a shit sandwich.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Monday, 25 March 2013 02:45 (eleven years ago) link
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
word
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Monday, 25 March 2013 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
halo is bearable by dint of beyonce's performance but otherwise yeah it's garbage
― i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 March 2013 02:49 (eleven years ago) link
I don't even like her performance. It sounds like she's swallowing the low notes.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Monday, 25 March 2013 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
i actually have a lot of respect for beyonce after sasha fierce - diving headlong into adult contemporary like that wasn't the obvious pandering no-brainer it's being painted out to be here, and personally i resisted it til she waterboarded me into it. furthermore, a huge part of that is down to how great and almost maniacally theatrical a performer she is throughout the album: granted i might not be the one pressing play on it but in 10 years i guarantee i'll be enjoying "remember those walls i built well baby theyre tumbling ~ DOWWWNN ~" way more than i will be reminiscing about a promo ad campaign that preceded some rub pseudo-edgy dubstep cobblers.
― r|t|c, Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:54 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^ post that has always summed up the appeal of "Halo" for me
― some dude, Monday, 25 March 2013 03:09 (eleven years ago) link
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
this is a pretty dumb criticism. giving a piece of music credit for having something even if that something sucks is pretty damn limiting.
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Monday, 25 March 2013 03:34 (eleven years ago) link
Sasha Fierce is the one Bey album I just plain never wana return to
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 25 March 2013 10:41 (eleven years ago) link
Srsly Lex every time you criticise these songs for lacking melody or structure you're just showing yourself up as not really having listened to them.
― Matt DC, Monday, 25 March 2013 11:03 (eleven years ago) link
yeah. the album is not a masterpiece, perfect or anything and liking it or not depends on one's taste but saying there are no melodies, compositional ideas or work on the sounds and textures seems pretty wrong to me...it's not an album with 3min pop hits. so what ? there are other ways to approach music...
regarding Lex and the lack of melodies and structures, he had the same statement about the Grimes album, if I remember well. Which seemed crazy to me at the time, for the opposite reason, since that album was filled with hooks and short pop hits !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 25 March 2013 11:58 (eleven years ago) link
I've not heard this yet, but I revisited FS/LS over the weekend, and "Timberlake and Timbaland do digital <i>Voodoo</i> for 2013" sounds pretty good, to me.
― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 25 March 2013 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
Damn html eejit.
'no outros' edit of the album: http://ahouseoflies.com/post/46218344075/justin-timberlake-the-15-20-experience
― some dude, Monday, 25 March 2013 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
Are the outros predominantly instrumental?
― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 25 March 2013 12:15 (eleven years ago) link
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Monday, March 25, 2013 3:34 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it wasn't really a criticism so much as a throwaway line in lieu of "i think you're completely wrong about the halo melody and also you didn't read the bit where i said it worked despite all these legitimate criticisms of it"
also complaining about the aimlessness of 20/20 tracks IS NOT THE SAME as whining that it isn't full of 3-min radio bangers! FFS
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Monday, 25 March 2013 12:26 (eleven years ago) link
not really, usually there some refrains and vamping (xp)
― some dude, Monday, 25 March 2013 12:26 (eleven years ago) link
Refrains and vamping is fine and dandy by me. Will probably pick this up when I get paid.
― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 25 March 2013 12:27 (eleven years ago) link
the thing with "halo" is that all the criticisms of it as trite hackwork are not off the mark, but there's a point at which you crumble - usually hearing it with someone else or in a communal setting - and once you crumble you can't really go back
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Monday, 25 March 2013 12:32 (eleven years ago) link
those walls you built etc
― some dude, Monday, 25 March 2013 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
i nearly referenced that line but thought it might be taking the corniness too far
i really love B's vocal performance on "halo" regardless, esp the low notes. she really sells it.
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Monday, 25 March 2013 12:35 (eleven years ago) link
helps that it's something of an anomaly in her discography, too
I agree with lex on "halo". Esp. the low notes, and the phrasing of "down".
Although maybe it's just that I heard "Stop and Stare" so much everywhere that it was like I was stuck on a boat in The Voyage of the RyanTedder until one day I just fell off the edge of the world and into some weird zone where... I don't viscerally object to his ploys??? Which is objectively wrong I know.
― Tim F, Monday, 25 March 2013 12:36 (eleven years ago) link
ya lex otm that's why i said "i might not be the one pressing play on it" in the quoted bit; 'halo' is not really a tune you'll ever bust out on your own but the way some people slam it you'd think they only live in their lil itunes bubble
― r|t|c, Monday, 25 March 2013 12:37 (eleven years ago) link