Big Star

That's probably the best stuff: a documentary Eggleston (I'd never heard of him before) made in '74 about local crazies. There's not a whole lot of Big Star footage, but there are some great clips from when Chilton was bouncing around in the late '70s and early '80s. There's one photograph of Chilton's girlfriend during those days--very beautiful.

Eggleston doc = "Stranded in Canton" and i believe it's still up on youtube in its entirety.

Will be checking that out thanks.

There's a brief shot of Robert Fricke with his arm around Jody Stephens, which has no need to be included

Robert Fricke, the five-star dentist in Los Altos, California? Honestly, not sure who that is.

Stranded in Canton, that's it--thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1eDzz5fKio&wide=1

looks like there's a soundtrack to the doc coming out too, with "21 unissued tracks"... which seems a little bit astounding, considering that box set was packed with unissued stuff. can't imagine there'll be anything totally amazing, but, i guess i want to hear it!

http://floweringtoilet.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/record-store-day-2013-big-star-nothing.html

ah ok -- alternate mixes, "movie mixes"! pretty much what i figured.

Did any of the other (ie, not what ended up on Radio City) Dolby Fuckers stuff get a legit release? Or were those tapes erased?

Big Star's Third: An Orchestrated Live Performance of the Legendary Album
Featuring Mike Mills, Jody Stephens, Sharon Van Etten, Kurt Vile, Pete Yorn, Marshall Crenshaw, Pete Yorn, Reeve Carney and many more
Sunday, June 30, 2013
Central Park, MN
7:00 PM – 10:00PM -- FREE EVENT - Arrive Early for guaranteed admission
Artist Website: http://bigstarthird.com/

Big Star's Third is a full performance of the iconic album by an astonishing who's who of rock music featuring famed vocalists including Sharon Van Etten, Kurt Vile, Marshall Crenshaw, Pete Yorn, Reeve Carney (Spiderman: Turn Off The Dark), Jonathan Carney (Mercury Rev) and Beck Stark (Lavender Diamond), supported by an all-star band including Mike Mills (R.E.M.) on bass; Mitch Easter (Lets Active) and Chris Stamey (The dB's) and Ken Stringfellow (The Posies, Big Star) on guitar; Charles Cleaver on keys; Django Haskins (of The Old Ceremony), Brett Harris and Skylar Gudasz on harmony and guitar; and original Big Star member Jody Stephens on drums, all backed with a twenty- piece chamber orchestra including the famed cellist Jane Scarpantoni. In addition, the concert will feature a selection of earlier songs, including the much-hailed “September Gurls” and “In The Streets” (which was used as the theme of the popular TV sitcom “That ‘70s Show, performed by Cheap Trick).

pete yorn and...pete yorn!

i remember admitting to my high school crush that i liked the pete yorn song that was on the radio at the time. things did not go well.

good catch on Pete Yorn, I'll ask them to fix that action.

pete yorn...you OWE me now!

!!!

Reeve Carney (Spiderman: Turn Off The Dark)

!!!

Today was the 20th anniversary of their first show back together, live in the Hearnes Center parking lot at the University of Missouri.

i mean, thank you, friends!

so...we've never polled "third"?

don't worry, it's "holocaust"

"nighttime" imho

obviously kangaroo

Liked the documentary, review forthcoming. Lack of archival footage (most seemed silent home movies with contemporaneous audio accompanying) sort of used as a strength, as with both Bell and Chilton gone it winds up being more about the fans and associates, and the afterlife of the band (entire second half).

Might go to the Central park thing but I have Hitchcock restoration (not Robyn, who appears briefly in doc) to attend.

also one interviewee seemed to imply Bell was gay/bi without getting any more explicit.

Does the soundtrack really have any crucial alt takes? I figure the box set took care of those.

the gay/bi thing has been rumored for years

huh surprised they didn't go into that a little more -- thought it was generally accepted that Bell was gay (but stayed mainly in the closet due to his Christianity). not sure if i can back it up, but i always got the feeling "you and your sister" was sort of about this?

i want to hear the sdtk, but am sort of annoyed that it exists -- seems like they're inventing "rarities" for the most part ("movie mixes" etc).

had no idea Chilton did b/g voc on "I Am the Cosmos" either

oh man 'you and your sister' is the best

yeah it's bell's finest moment imo. devastating.

Will Rigby w/a 1978 story:

On a little portable cassette machine Alex played us "I Am the Cosmos" for the first time. And told us some things about Chris Bell, Big Star, Ardent, and the whole scene that we probably didn't need to know: that John Fry, the owner of the studio and label, was gay, and so was Chris, and that Chris got jealous that John got interested in Alex (and that this was the reason that Chris erased the master tapes of #1 Record); or that Alex was better at tennis than Chris, who could never beat him no matter how hard he tried. I know Alex to be an enthusiastic embellisher of the truth, but when "You Can't Have Me" appeared on the belated release of the third Big Star album later that year I recognized what/who it must be about, and I still can't hear it without thinking about all this.

http://boogiewoogieflu.blogspot.com/2008/03/paper-hat.html

Fry is interviewed in the film, but not on this subject.

Alex was better at tennis than Chris, who could never beat him no matter how hard he tried

lol this casts "Tennis Bum" in a new light

also one interviewee seemed to imply Bell was gay/bi without getting any more explicit.

I read talk on another forum that Bell's family supposedly requested/insisted this not be covered in the film.

that woulda been my guess, actually

I worked for/with John Fry at Ardent, and for all the rumors that were spread around that office, him being gay never made the rounds that I recall. Not that some people didn't find him peculiar in an unspecified way. He was married when I knew him, which I realize doesn't mean much.

How someone can crush on anyone other than Jody Stephens, I have no idea.

haha yeah he was definitely the pretty one

without a doubt
they're all pretty cute though!

yes i did just pop in here to say that

also i saw the trailer and was dubious because i need no convincing about the greatness of this band and it seemed to just be people telling me things i already knew

but now dr m is making it sound a little more appealing

yeah I totally want to see it, even though I'm a little wary of it being mostly "CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT NO ONE LIKED BIG STAR IN THE 70S WHAT A TRAGEDY THEY WERE SO GOOD"

well having Stax declare bankruptcy when Radio City was getting ready to ship didn't help

also one interviewee seemed to imply Bell was gay/bi without getting any more explicit.

I read talk on another forum that Bell's family supposedly requested/insisted this not be covered in the film.

This was absent from the liner notes to the box set as well.

A couple of things that got me into the band were big articles that ran in Mojo (1999) and the original Revolver (2000). IIRC, in the latter there's a great quote from an insider (either Fry or Jim Dickinson) about Bell's problems with going Born Again: "He realized believing wasn't going make him stop wanting to take drugs or stop being a homosexual."

lol this casts "Tennis Bum" in a new light

I love that song!

Everybody I know who has seen the movie says it is so much more than "OMG, people missed out!" Total tearjerker.

The "Chris Bell was gay" rumor makes the rounds all the time, based afaict on absolutely nothing but non-specific third-hand stuff, or only Will Rigby exclusively. Which gives it the weight of air, even if true. Reminds me of the same stuff re: the equally long dead sensitive soul Nick Drake. From the "Fruit Tree" (fruit!!!) box set liners:

"His sensitivity became a shield. His friends sometimes wondered if he was a repressed homosexual. That would have explained his sense of defeat at age 18, his intense need for privacy, his denial of the body, his inability to touch people, his idealized view of women and his failure to have a girlfriend. But if he was homosexual he was far from gay. He was so deeply repressed that he could not imgine a physical salvation.Too private to talk about his moods, Nick wrote songs that mapped his melancholy with precision. Singing to an audience, he could communicate."

Pretty sure Chilton makes some sneery homophobic remark about Chris Bell in that KUT radio broadcast - after Bell was dead, classy huh?

In fact it was "Chris was a homosexual. That's why we had to break up."

A friend worked with A.C. right after his move to NYC, not impressed w/ him as a human.

xp yeah, uncomfortable moment -- though that whole interview is alex trolling, I think. not that it excuses it...

You can totally see why Alex Chilton would be a hero to Westerberg. A real tell me to jump, I'll sit down guy. AC as a human ... I can only assume the guy had massive issues - mental, chemical, social. Good days, bad days.

I saw him play some time ago, and when someone requested a Big Star song, he played Michael Jackson's "Rock With You." In fact, I want to say he played it twice.