it's a blatantly obvious callback. this is an absurd conversation.
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 24 March 2013 04:23 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not saying it isn't a callback, but it's not the same song at all.
― timellison, Sunday, 24 March 2013 04:28 (eleven years ago) link
nobody is saying it's the same song or same melody. the resemblance can still be striking despite clear differences.
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 11:59 (eleven years ago) link
thanks to this thread I listened to "Mirrors" again. the new york unemployment office would probably classify that as work.
anyway it still sounds far more like "Halo" than it does "What Goes Around." the verses are a little similar but I think maybe Justin just has very limited melodic shapes to work with. around the second (long) iteration of the chorus this basically falls apart.
fairly obvious elements of "What Goes Around" you'd think would be referenced if this were a callback: the riff at the beginning, the strings that go with the riff, the entire second half (no, the staccato "you are the love of my life" bit doesn't count, you have to stretch to hear it as a deliberate callback rather than "hey syncopation is cool let's try that again"), the entire storyline at all (if I were Justin Timberlake and writing a callback to "What Goes Around" I'd at least put a "came right back around" line in there somewhere; after all, if Britney can manage that so would I dammit.)
the hilarious thing is if there's a callback to anything here it's to Dead and Gone. OF ALL THINGS. it's based on as much evidence I mean
― katherine, Sunday, 24 March 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think "callback" is accurate -- it's more of an unconscious 'when we write a melodic midtempo ballad it always comes out sounding like this' thing
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
i would file "Dead And Gone" and "Rehab" and several other JT collaborations under this type of song
yeah "callback" i guess wasn't exactly accurate, but "what comes around" and "mirrors" are quite obviously from the same branch of tim/jt songs and considering that they're both solo jt singles i think the connection is unavoidable
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 24 March 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
Re. melodic shapes: I love the chorus of "Mirrors" not just because of its expansiveness but because of the melodic contour through the whole thing. Great balance of repetitions and variation.
― timellison, Sunday, 24 March 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
sometimes you get so close to becoming the Geir who actually knows something about music theory
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
everyone itt raggin' on "Blue Slide Park," i think it's a pretty good album closer
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
I might be the only person who liked "Dead and Gone."
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
one time I heard my dad whistling that song
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like "What Goes Around" sounds like "Cry Me a River" and "Mirrors" sounds like WGA, but "Mirrors" does not sound like CMAR, if that makes sense.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i understand that
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
i just wish JT used "Gone" as a ballad template instead
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 17:44 (eleven years ago) link
i liked dead and goneconfused that more people aren't talking about timbo? I care less about this as a JT album and more about it as the first music i've heard from timbaland in a long time that i liked. haven't ever really thought of Timberlake as a creative force regardless but Timbaland there was a time
― i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 March 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
I don't hate "Blue Ocean Floor", but it feels like it's missing something.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago) link
i quite like "dead and gone", it's like "coming home" (though inferior obv) in that it's super-corny and indefensible on one level but it totally WORKS
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
eh those songs kinda epitomize the beginning of this era of the pop rap power ballad, lotta baggage for me
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's def one level it's indefensible on, see also "halo", which is another that WORKS for me in a major way despite itself
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
ambushed by completely expected emotion, as tom ewing once put it
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
OneRepublic's "Apologize" seemed to be Timbo's first attempt at doing a plodding pop ballad without JT, and then Ryan Tedder wrote "Halo" and a lot of other songs like that, so it all feels pretty connected to me
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
still think tedder is the antichrist
― i petted a bodega cat today. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
most of Timbo's changes to "Apologize" were cosmetic enough to place his mercenary intentions in the most obvious light. Around here after "Apologize" took off (I first thought it was a new Enrique ballad lol) radio played OneRepublic's version from that point on.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
i have never heard any version of "Apologize" without the Timbaland production on it, one exists?
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
hmm yeah they're so similar i never realized there was a difference -- the Tedder one even has the vaguely Timbo-ish kick drum pattern, Tim just seems to have added hi-hats and his walrus hoot backup vox
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
dying @ "walrus hoot"
"Halo" is a song I have never been able to stand even slightly. I did fux with "Apologize" (in either version) until it became unbearably overplayed tho.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
"Coming Home" is brilliant, but that's a case of great songwriting overcoming the form.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
when I was still confused about its authorship I thought, "Hmm -- wow. Why doesn't Enrique sing like this more often?"
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
it's hilarious how "Coming Home" has the most ilx-beloved verses penned by Jay-Z in the last few years
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
damn, "Apologize" was apparently the biggest radio airplay hit in the history of the Pop Songs radio in North America, with 10,394 plays in one week, until its record was broken by Leona Lewis's "Bleeding Love", which was also co-written by Tedder
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:44 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and co-written by J. Cole!
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
"Apologize" was inescapable November 2007 through most of 2008 iirc
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
haha
When speaking to Kid about what he wanted, Diddy said, "I want a beat that makes me feel like a white man in a basement in Atlanta".[5]
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
lmao
― 乒乓, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
if i ever change my username im changing it to 'a white man in a basement in atlanta'
― 乒乓, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
oh yes, can't forget how much ILX loves Alex da Kid and Skylar Grey
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
huh?
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
/sarc
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
sometimes you get so close to becoming the Geir who actually knows something about music theory― some dude, Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:19 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― some dude, Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:19 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's not just the melody - I like the sound of the record a lot, too. I like the synth (plus sounds like on overdriven guitar) intro, I like some of the harmonies, I like his singing on it. Love the would-be coda with the (fake?) strings at around the five minute mark.
― timellison, Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
btw the other '80s song I was thinking of that has that same "whoa-oa" is "Allentown."
― timellison, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah but even as a sarcastic comment it doesn't really make sense unless you were misreading my jay comment in some weird way (xp)
― some dude, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0n9Dv6XnY
All the "whoa-oa"'s of the 80's handily combined in one song.
― breastcrawl, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
all the whoa-oas ever recorded
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
xxpost sarc of sd
― Tim F, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
xpost
That would be this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkyeaIWTlzQ
― breastcrawl, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
i still hate "halo", what a cloying, simplistic melody
that it's beyonce canon is unforgivable
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks, guys. All I'm gonna do is listen to remixes of "Tarzan Boy" for the rest of the afternoon.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
you know how to party
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
gimme the order!
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link