i'm not sure how much 'nowish' i hear tbh but that's a plus for me
yeah, i was getting mislead by dombal's thesis ("It's then, it's now, it's the type of song that'll be around for a long while," which, oof).
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
mind you 'mirrors' is my worst case scenario of what timberlake-timbaland 2013 would sound like. i can vaguely understand why it's the second single, it sounds like a second single, it just sounds awful. on most of the album i think the weakness comes more from the songs than the production but man w/ 'mirrors' the weakness is just coming from all directions.
― balls, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
Yesterday I tried drawing battle lines as to which ILM contingent disliked the record but gave up
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:29 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the MORON contingent *contributes to meaningful discourse*
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.pickinsplinters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/bugs-bunny-maroon.jpg
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Two notes:
For all the talk of the retro moves on this record, he quite intentionally undercuts every one of them with some tic that could only be modern in origin.
I've never really understood people who get all aggy about looser songwriting styles. A good percentage of my favorite records take that particular tack.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
otm & same
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
"looser songwriting style" is a compliment that JT doesn't deserve. These things are mostly grooveless or lack melodies that make me wanna listen more than two minutes.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
ehhhh @ "grooveless"
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
i don't get aggy about looser songwriting styles. i'm just saying that on most of these songs the music does not merit the length and is a negative.
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
Not much of a comparison but I'm listening to "(Not Just) Knee Deep." It's fifteen minutes long.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
my experience of this album is pretty much: begin listening to song that i mildly enjoy, drift off for what feels like 10 minutes, come to, wonder why the fuck that song is not only still happening but still has two minutes to go
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
like i said: dude is not exactly erykah badu here.
lol @ erykah badu for lex's ref
― balls, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
she does really long songs! and they are great!
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
song that i mildly enjoy
^^ certainly what I think about "Strawberry Bubblegum" and "Tunnel Vision."
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
For me, the songs all feel much shorter than they are!
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
And these songs (except the last two, I guess) are hardly grooveless.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
I don't understand how so many people are trying to tell me a record that sounds so good is in fact awful.
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
"tunnel vision" is prob the only one that really comes to life beyond vaguely pleasant groove that lasts several decades
"let the groove get in" and "don't hold the wall" do have good grooves but absolutely no development at all
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
it's not awful, it's just underdone and mediocre - on the terms in which it was puffed up it totally collapses though
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
clever of JT and Timbo to record a song called "Tunnel Vision" whose sound/conceit/arrangement approximates the experience of listening to it.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
"let the groove get in" has those weird house piano diversions! the second half is distinct from the first and is a p natural development!
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
i know lex, i'm just laughing that yr go to for 'epic jams' is erykah badu. much prefer the long tracks that wander off into some digression to the ones that just keep going (does anything here even attempt epic, except maybe 'mirrors'? fs/ls had some honest attempts at epics and 'cry me a river' actually managed to be an epic in under five minutes), might've been more palatable and more a call back to tradition if he had done 'strawberry bubblegum pt. 1 & pt. 2' etc., or if he had done some editing and cut back tracks to 4-5min than something like 'mirrors' might've come off like a forgiveable misstep instead of my beautiful dark 20/20 experience. i like the album but do agree as a failure it could've been more interesting, half finished songs blown up into meandering epics can still be inspired (hello marvin gaye).
― balls, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
you people
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
Here, My Dear and In Our Lifetime had unexpected synth fills and always grooved, but I guess a groove will always be subjective.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
but, rev, do you still love us?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
i'm just laughing that yr go to for 'epic jams' is erykah badu
idg why it's funny :(
'cry me a river' actually managed to be an epic in under five minutes
RIGHT?
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
i laughed bc it's very you
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
the second half is distinct from the first
oh yes all these aimless non-song non-grooves all have much-vaunted "outros" that never quite have the impact they should because when they turn up i'm like...hang on but we're only just done with the intro where is the song
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:47 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:51 (eleven years ago) link
lol idk the first half of "let the groove get in" much as it seems a pure vamp coheres pretty easily into a song for me
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
the entire thing is just a vamp! it's a pretty good vamp. WHY IS IT EIGHT MINUTES LONG.
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
again, the outros are actually the best part of the album
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
this jt album is way too long and directionless... *listens to goldenheart*
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.fascsafety.org/buckle1.jpg
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
― 乒乓, Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:56 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
WAHAHAHHA
― cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
hyuk hyuk hyuk aren't you all amusing
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
IT COULD WORK THE OTHER WAY ROUND FYI
also how is this a compliment
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
outros are ppl too
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
was talking to maura about this record earlier today and she characterized the outros (which she finds too numerous and long) as "funhouse mirror interpretations" which otm
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
in fact, it's rockist if i may say so, to value canonical song-parts like choruses and verses over outros
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
"funhouse mirror interpretations" which otm
in the stooges sense!
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
go tell that to someone who was saying that
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
i just told u
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:03 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
because it refutes the myth that they're aimless/unnecessary
― A$AP Rovi (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
i think "the outros are the best part" totally makes sense as a compliment bc the outros take the songs to complicated and distinct and surprising places
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i wasn't saying that
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
do you have short term memory loss?
― flamenco drop (lex pretend), Tuesday, March 19, 2013 4:03 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link