Ulrich Schnauss, Classic or Dud?

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Hey I may yet be convinced! I like him better than, say, Pluramon.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I cannot stand most everything I've heard of his, it makes me feel older just listening to it. Dud to the skies!!

fandango, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:30 (seventeen years ago) link

is it cheesy?

SusanD, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Mark my words, A Strangely Isolated Place will be understood as the seminal work of absolute genius that it is perhaps 10-15 years from now.

libcrypt, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

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fies, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Yet another hi-quality ILM zing (tm).

libcrypt, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, new album and I can't wait.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I completely forgot about all this stuff. I wasted so much money on this crap. IDM=big dud

Seriously, I would have been so much better off if I just stuck with Aphex, Autechre and BOC. Most of the stuff in this genre that was obscure was obscure for a reason. Jega's Geometry was a good record too from what I remember. I sold most of this vinyl off when I moved out of Detroit, I wonder what I would think of it if I could hear it again. I kept my Arovane records on DIN and that was my favorite stuff at the time. In hingsight, even that stuff hasn't aged well. Lukewarm noodly "melodic" faux electro.

This is way more intelligent:
http://www.discogs.com/release/138602

Display Name, Sunday, 8 April 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I think he's he's awesome! I am really suprised how many people here dislike this kind of thing. Schnauss is one of the few IDM artists I've really taken a shine too *because* he does such pretty melodic shoegazery atmosphere. "Nobody's Home" is really beautiful.

Trayce, Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:34 (seventeen years ago) link

And holy crap I would *love* to hear what Guthrie could do to his work. I gotta hear that.

Trayce, Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

new album is good. depech-y.

chaki, Sunday, 8 April 2007 05:10 (seventeen years ago) link

wasn't he meant to be working with jonas munk on a record too?

keythkeyth, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I think he's he's awesome! I am really suprised how many people here dislike this kind of thing.


Keep in mind that MBV and Slowdive and shoegaze in general were absolutely savaged in the US rock-crit press (at least) at the time. So maybe you should be less surprised.

libcrypt, Sunday, 8 April 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

not really. slowdive was mostly ignored. loveless received mostly good to excellent reviews.

keythkeyth, Sunday, 8 April 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, if anything the 'backlash' as such was classic UK stylee -- in the US, it was more glancing appreciation with Loveless getting the bulk of the attention (deservedly so etc. etc. all my other posts on MBV).

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys read Spin or Rolling Stone, didn't you?

libcrypt, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

RS, yes.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Forced Exposure, Conflict, and their ilk really drilled a broadside in anything vaguely shoegazey in the 80s, when they deigned to cover the stuff. Sonic-Youth-ripoffs, see?

libcrypt, Monday, 9 April 2007 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

The point here being that rock criticism is so frequently off-the-mark as to be patently useless.

libcrypt, Monday, 9 April 2007 02:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS ALBUM IS PRETTY.

chaki, Monday, 9 April 2007 02:22 (seventeen years ago) link

ASIP is just really fucking beautiful.

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 9 April 2007 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link

THANKING WITH SLSK GOODBYE, PLACEMENT OF.

libcrypt, Monday, 9 April 2007 04:20 (seventeen years ago) link

So I downloaded "A Strangely Isolated Place" the other day, cause it was something of his I didnt have. OK, now I think this guy is god or something, holy crap this is an AWESOME album. It is absolutely gorgeous, and *exactly* the kind of thing I adore.

Trayce, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 02:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Hm. Maybe I need to hear it again. At the same time I'm really trying to look beyond simply trying to replicate the MBV etc. experience now -- not saying Ulrich Schnauss is per se, but continually chasing after anything obsessively almost stunts one's musical breadth. At the same time so many things have been sold to me as 'oh you're the blissout guy, you'll LOVE this' and after hearing I'm all 'uh, it's all *right*...I guess.' (See also M83.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I know what you mean to be honest! I wasnt as enamoured with M83 as I thought i'd be for that reason. But honestly, even though there are times on the album where it *completely* sounds like, say, Budd-era cocteau twins, that didn't make me feel like he was aping them. He was taking that feel, that atmosphere, and doing it in his own way. Perhaps its just that it speaks to me, I dunno.

Trayce, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"a letter from home" is like the most joyful song in the world!

i can't believe MBV gets mentioned in an ulrich schnauss thread before global communication or mark van hoen.

f. hazel, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 09:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I dont even see so much MBV in them as I do Slowdive and the Cocteaus. Well, on ASIP anyway.

Trayce, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 09:50 (seventeen years ago) link

agreed. been wondering if the MBV thing (which i admittendly don't know very well but think i'd recognize the flavor) comes in on other album/songs i don't pay attention to or something.

listening to ASIP now, Monday-Paracetemol is particularly nice.

SusanD, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 10:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I have heard the new Schnauss. It pushes more or less every Ned Raggett button, and is a veritable shoegazing pie. Nice cocteau twins bits all over the place/almost goth in places. He's gone for MBV thing on this one more than the previous albums too.

flowersdie, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

BEST USE OF VOCODER THIS DECAMILLENIUM A++.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

yep, 'goodbye' is amazing. first track is Lush, second track is Slowdive, pitch-perfect homages.

BATTAGS, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Third track is Ladytron!

flowersdie, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link

new album is indeed good. not classic, but good background noise.

Cameron Octigan, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

It's much better than that. I love this guy so much. I think I prefer his sound to that of his influences.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 21 May 2007 21:30 (sixteen years ago) link

A side-by-side song comparison will reveal that he's much farther away from his influences than the haters make him out to be.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 02:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, yeah, I need to get this. Or I'll be excluded from Sonic Cathedral, they'll never let me in the door again if I can't prove my shoegaze credentials.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 10:13 (sixteen years ago) link

The title track of the new one is possibly the most gorgeous thing he's ever done.

flowersdie, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 11:58 (sixteen years ago) link

The title track of the new one is possibly the most gorgeous thing he's ever done.

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rockapads, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

For all the greatness that his current work is -- Herr Schnauss likely ain't hit his zenith yet -- his early work is its yang of yawn. A Schaussophile pal gave me a ton of early rips and boots and I dunno whatall, but it's just kinda formulaic as far as my ears have a say innit. I guess I'm bound to be castigated for saying that by folks who know a lot more about EM than myself, but eh.

libcrypt, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:39 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Sorry to check some of the posters further up this thread, but how can you dislike this stuff (A Strangely Isolated Place)? There's no way this is anything other than utterly brilliant. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SONG. I can't decide which one to put on a compilation for my friend, although it's been narrowed down to 'On My Own', 'Letter From Home' or 'Clear Day'.

Early days yet, but this might be top 5 for the decade so far.

Just got offed, Friday, 8 June 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I will have to second that the new album is a total fucking mind-blower. It gets a little too MBV sometimes, but seriously it is just owning me. Warm fuzzies all day long.

I put up an MP3 at PTW: http://www.paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=846

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 8 June 2007 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

It gets a little too MBV sometimes

You're fired.

That said, I think me now looking for the new MBV would be like me looking for 'the new Tolkien' or whatever.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 June 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

If it's a literary masterpiece you're after, you could do worse than reading/re-reading Tristram Shandy. Meanwhile, Ulrich Schnauss, whilst not a master of the crossed-wires feedback storm like Shields (a method that has perhaps a more mysterious, subliminal effect upon the listener), is approximating the dream-pop ideal in a more convincing manner than almost anyone I've ever heard. It mines a different, less kinetic/dancy seam to WFANFC, for instance, but Schnauss' music uses its extended length to reach and then sustain ever-higher plateaux of micro-managed sonic bliss.

Just got offed, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Underwhelmed by the new one - just more of the same, and I think two was enough for me. The vocals don't add enough, in fact there's something about the tone and the processing that makes them sound really insipid.

The "Little 15" mix might be my favourite thing of his.

Louis to what extent do you think that the music that most transports you to plateaux of sonic bliss conforms to a certain style - not genre, but at a lower level. Do you think there might be certain styles of melody or chord progression, say, that intrinsically appeal to you? That there might be other bands engaged in micro-management and all the other things that you're after, but who are working with melodic forms that don't push your buttons?

ledge, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Now THAT'S an interesting question.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

ok i'll give it its own thread...

ledge, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

First, to answer your question re: Schnauss,

Ledge, I really do think there might be certain ways of progressing chord structure that appeal to me more than others. The confluence of different chords atop one another is even more interesting; this is what Schnauss does brilliantly. Differently melodic and textural synth lines create sonic richness, and this sonic richness is progressed in a very satisfying manner; the progressions and flow often pertain to a major/minor/suspended chord confusion (there's a method to it I'm sure, but one I can't describe), and this emotional fragility is, I find, highly stimulating for the responsive mind. There might well be other bands engaged in micro-management whose concerns are more rhythmical or minimalist, whom I might like less, but I'd need to hear more. You say you're an Autechre fanboy; they're an act I'd really like to check out.

Just got offed, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

WHO MAKES THE NAZIS?

acrobat, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link

The "Little 15" mix might be my favourite thing of his.

^^ I like it a lot too, mostly because the "Little 15" instrumentation is probably the weakest spot on Music for the Masses and Ulrich's mix makes it fantastic. I wouldn't call it my favorite thing he's done, though.

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 8 June 2007 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I have a really hard time describing his music in terms of emotion. He doesn't do many songs that I feel like I can describe with emotional adjectives. Words like "pretty" even "beautiful" come to mind, but only a few of his tracks get described as "sad" or "joyful".

rockapads, Friday, 8 June 2007 20:04 (sixteen years ago) link

nah. but I kinda like it, for that reason. like BOC without the whole "oooooo this is spooky tape music, maybe there's a GHOST in the room!" element

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 12:36 (seven years ago) link

it's p much direct shoegazing ecstasy, sunny-day melancholy unfiltered

but then i guess there are songs like 'medusa' that could have sparked entire movements of michael bay electronica on their own (but didn't)

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 12:41 (seven years ago) link

I picked up one of his CDs for a buck at a charity shop and it's really gorgeous

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 13:42 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

ok I got ASIP now and yeah this is very good, definitely better than Far Away Trains

amazed this man hasn't made a mint in soundtrack work

frogbs, Monday, 12 June 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link

This reminds me. I bought an album he was involved in recently, played it once, then filed it somewhere. Can't remember who or what it was called though. Shit. Far Away Trains is so good. The rest of his stuff is just rehashing the same feeling. You probably don't need more than 5-10 songs of his to experience the entirety of his range.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 12 June 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link

and that was easy to find, thanks Discogs. https://www.discogs.com/Ulrich-Schnauss-Jonas-Munk-Passage/release/9725721 - This is the album. It's decent but not great.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 12 June 2017 22:22 (six years ago) link

Something new on his Bandcamp page

Free?

Hilarity Winner (doo dah), Monday, 12 June 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link

name your price isn't ... well, if you want, I guess, sure.

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Friday, 16 June 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

this Synthwave thing is pretty okay

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Thursday, 27 July 2017 13:08 (six years ago) link


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