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BTW, all those details stem from days when I was truly sucicidal. I am no longer this way.

― Samantha, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad Samantha! I'm proud of you!

― Gale Deslongchamps, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

sorry kodanshi but i sort of agree with gale: my best friend at college and his g/f killed themselves on the same day in 1987, he jumped into the thames and she threw herself off a high building in liverpool. at the time i was just stunned and miserable, as were all who knew him, but as time went past — 18 yrs now — the feeling that mainly stayed is how ANGRY i am with him... the nice stuff faded, in other words — or at last got absorbed: but that final act can't be, because none of the questions can ever be answered

it's like the ultimate troll saying to everyone s/he knows YOU ARE ALL JUST RUBBISH AND I PROVE IT THUS....

my friend *was* actually a bit gothy, now i think of it, but so what? — i wish he'd been a lot MORE gothy, because then we could have talked about it: not that i'd have had much to say, except maybe to make him laugh at himself and how he was being. he froze me out by keeping EVERYTHING to himself and now i can't forgive him

― mark s, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

18 yrs in mark s mentalist counting = 15 in real counting

― mark s, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

To be honest, I've never met a suicidal goth. Ever. Or even a particularly miserable one at that. Catharsis perhaps?

― DG, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

The punks I've known have been far more doom-ridden and angsty than the goths I've known.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I've met some "perky goths." They tend to like purple more than black.

― bnw, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't think there is anything cowardly about suicide. I think that people who think it is selfish are the truly selfish ones. How arrogant, to claim your grief over someone's death more important than their grief over their life.

I think everyone I know who has suicided did it by shooting themselves, except for one guy who jumped off a cliff. I've known lots of attempted suicides with pills, hanging and wrist slitting. I suspect a fair few overdoses could have been a bit suicidal too.

If I wanted to die I'd be tossed up between wanting a way that was like falling asleep but never waking up and something with a lot of blood. I'd like there to be lots of blood but not too much pain. I'm a crap driver though so I'll probably die unwillingly in a nasty, painful car accident.

― toraneko, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

It doesn't even make sense to think of suicide, in many cases, as cowardly or selfish, as so many are due to mental illness like depression. Perhaps it would make sense to even think about talking this way if a suicide was in good mental health (er aside from the suicide), or thought they had some kind of existential motivation or something. But considering the reasons people DO suicide...

― Josh, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I agree with what Josh wrote above.

― maryann, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Can't make up my mind about it (objectively, that is). Current viewpoint = very drawn to fact that people who want to live (e.g. L) are robbed of it and others who have life just want to throw it away; so "life wasted on some people" is the not very useful conclusion to that way of thinking.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

The nihilist philsopher E.M. Cioran said, "The problem with suicide is that it's always too late."

― Ryan, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Here is another one by Cioran I just found. Sorry! A gloomy fellow.

"Consolation by a possible suicide widens into infinite space this realm where we are suffering....What greater wealth than the suicide each of us bears within himself?"

― Ryan, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I agree with what Cioran said.

― maryann, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Thanks to all those who contributed to this thread.

Once again I apologize for offending anyone or making light of a subject that is exactly the opposite of that. I just wished to open a discussion on a tough subject. Sometimes it really helps.

Several of the posts on this thread have been extremely inspirational and supportive. It makes me feel warm that there are so many wonderful, understanding people out there. You are the ones that help suicidals get through the hard times. Though you may not know it, more than likely you've convinced someone to stay alive and they just never mustered the courage to tell you. I can say this from experience, my friends cured me before it really took affect.

― kimera, Thursday, 31 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

"Evidence showed that Mr. Littleton had once tried suicide by going into the ocean and waiting for sharks to eat him."

from today's New York Times

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Why the fuck are there so many people with emotional health problems and the like here? Not just this thread, but ILX in general. It's enough to make a person nervous.

― Josh, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

well there's nothing wrong with YOU, Josh. I'm almost positive.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Interweb is the place everyone cuts loose and lets out with all the otherwise difficult things to discuss --> i.e. there are MANY in society but it only becomes apparent in semi-anonymity?

― Sterling Clover, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I thought of that too Sterl, but that makes things seem bleak for the human race on the whole. (Of course, that is an option.) Maybe what I'm wondering is what kind of angst to have over the situation: angst at the terrible lot of humanity, or angst at the terrible lot of the brighty and funny and witty and wonderful.

(Ha ha Tracer maybe I just don't post to the interweb about my troubles as much as some.)

― Josh, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

it would've been better to either fix the typo or write 'wonderfuly' I think

― Josh, Friday, 7 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

new answers

― Josh, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

This thread is mildly saddening. Thus far, my own life has been asymptotal to suicide - I know I've contemplated it, once or twice. The only two real incidences are one my favourite teacher told us about her friend whom she met on her way to her hanging tree. She was going one way, her friend the other. And that saddens.

And mark s' post uppage, which is probly bout the seriousest thing I've ever read from him on these pages - thus --> its impact. Saddening.

Not really adding anything to the theoretical/moral debate, just personal 'experience' as usual - sorry.

Having done Forensic Medicine last year (CSI - eat yr hrt out) I have seen many suicide victim stills. The worst was the one on Cadaveric Spasm. Man, holding knife a foot from his stomach, he's stabbed himself once, mortally killed instantly and instant Cadaveric Spasm has occurred and he's fixated in the one position.

Pan out and the bathroom gasps into clear view: a thin film of red lines the walls, from the ledge of the bath half way up the wall, dots and exclamations of blood. Blood-seeped bath water. It is very saddening. And gruesome. My shillings.

New answers, indeed. Tsk tsk. ;)

― david h(owie), Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

search: "don't try suicide" by queen. destroy: M*A*S*H theme.

― queenoftheharpies, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

For the Suicides
in memory: J & G & J

If we recall your voices
As softer now, it's only
That they must have drifted back

A long way to have reached us
Here, and upon such a wind
As crosses the high passes.

Nor does the blue of your eyes
(Remembered) cast much light on
The page ripped from the tablet.

* * *

Once there in the labyrinth,
Your were safe from your reasons.
We stand, now, at the threshold,

Peering in, but the passage,
For us, remains obscure; the
Corridors are still bloody.

* * *

What you meant to prove you have
Proved: we did not care for you
Nearly enough. Meanwhile the

Bay was preparing herself
To receive you, the for once
Wholly adequate female

To your dark inclinations;
Under your care the pistol
Was slowly learning to flower

In the desired explosion,
Disturbing the careful part
And the briefly recovered

Fixed smile of a forgotten
Triumph; deep within the black
Forest of childhood that tree

Was already rising which,
With the length of your body,
Would cast the double shadow.

* * *

The masks by which we knew you
Have been torn from you. Even
Those mirrors, to which always

You must have turned to confide,
Cannot have recognized you,
Stripped, as you were, finally.

At the end of your shadow
There sat another, waiting,
Whose back was always to us.

* * *

When the last door had been closed,
You watched, inwardly raging,
For the first glimpse of your selves
Approaching, jangling their keys.

Musicians of the black keys,
At last you compose yourselves.
We hear the music raging
Under the lids we have closed.

-Donald Justice

― J0hn D., Tuesday, 4 March 2008 06:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

what are you, like emo gershy?

― sanskrit, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 01:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?

I really like Ned's first post on this thread, but more because it's so Ned, not so much out of agreement with it.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 02:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

It is very me, isn't it. The sentiment remains the same, though I'd express it differently now.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 02:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

the best solution for those worried about their impact on the environment is to kill themselves

― jaxon, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 02:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sitting with my back to the street on top of a 75-story building, revolver placed firmly in mouth.

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 03:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?

i don't think it's bad at all, and donald justice was rather high regarded, so I think you'd have to destroy THIS universe, unfortunately

― akm, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 18:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ah, Love! Could you and I with Fate conspire
To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
Would we not shatter it to bits - and then
Re-mould it nearer to the Heart's Desire!

(for Casuistry)

― Aimless, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 18:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?

you smug piece of shit

― bug, Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

RIP big man

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm with Ned here, but if I had no firearm access and had to off myself, I'd take a massive heroin OD.

― libcrypt, Sunday, 9 March 2008 14:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

wow, Casuistry. I posted a poem that's incredibly moving to me, one by universally respected American poet only recently deceased, and you zinged it. Fuck you, die slow.

― J0hn D., Sunday, 9 March 2008 15:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

― The Reverend, Sunday, 9 March 2008 15:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

the collateral damage of criticism

― omar little, Sunday, 9 March 2008 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

how has dorothy parker not been quoted on this thread?

― Gukbe, Sunday, 9 March 2008 18:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

Guns aren't lawful, nooses give, gas smells awful, you might as well live?

― kate78, Sunday, 9 March 2008 18:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

I had a dream that the Suicide thread was resurrected! ILM wins.

― Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwQwqxgsybw

― gershy, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

J0hn, whatever sadness you've felt that led you to post that -- I (obviously, I should hope) was not trying to zing that.

But sure, de gustibus non disputandum and all that, so I should have just let it pass.

But I'll remember that J0hn thinks that a "universally respected" poet had damn well better stay "universally respected".

(Also, of course, Donald Justice was not in any way "universally respected". Like most poets, he was "generally ignored". I don't hang out with the sorts of poets who would consider him to have been on the map of the world of poetry -- not because they're bad people, just because that's not the world of poetry that I live in. And what little I've seen about him didn't seem especially interested or engaged, but that's all I can go on.)

― Casuistry, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

according to this INFOGRAPHIC there will be more than twice as many suicides as homicides in the US this year.

Intially I thought "That's prepostourous!", but then i realised i knew 2 people who had committed suicide but i don't know anyone who has been murdered.

― Slumpman, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Other things that struck me as odd:

More deaths from lightning than fireworks, spiders and sharks combined, challenging my view of a lightning strike as a rare, unlucky event.

Also, only 270 deaths a year from alcohol poisoning? What are all the alcoholics dying of?

― Slumpman, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

What are all the alcoholics dying of?

liver disease, kidney failure, complications from diabetes, dui accidents, etc. etc.

alcohol poisoning is acute, alcoholism is chronic. only a fucking amateur would die of alcohol poisoning.

― chicago kevin, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

that infographic is for men, not all people in the US

― harbl, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

not trying to be a pedant or anything! but i would like to know the suicide:homicide ratio for women too, now.

― harbl, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

More die from foreign object left behind during surgery than shark attack.

― libcrypt, Monday, 18 August 2008 06:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

as opposed to being the foreign object left in the shark, as it were.

― darraghmac, Monday, 18 August 2008 14:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

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As weird as American health care is in general, mental health is the red-headed stepchhild. Don't get me started. Just... don't.

― tits akimbo (kenan), Saturday, 28 March 2009 10:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it's that much better here (in Belgium). The problem is that mental health is such a "vague" thing, difficult to diagnose, difficult to treat, and psychology is still regarded to many (here) as,well, not part of science. "Failed doctors" is what my friend calls'em. Actually many people here think it's better in the US (the way it's approached, not the health care, am I making myself clear?)

The whole "bc they called, means they're not gonna do it" is a crap line. Because you tend to... trivialize it all - well, they're not really serious about it. Do not consider it as though it's only a cry for help. Treat it seriously, as though they will do it.

What's fucked up is that our best friend killed himself in high school, and he KNOWS how intensely sad that was for all of us, his family, his friends.

So he has to keep living because you all felt crap? What about him? This line won't really work. He's in deep shit, depressed. I know you mean well, but you gotta stop thinking from your standpoint if you wanna get through him: he's in a world where he only sees himself (in a deeply shitty situation).

My old best friend from high school just TEXTED me about how he tried to commit suicide last Wednesday.

Would a pigeon have worked better? Text message is... easier. When I feel extremely shitty and want to express myself then I usually prefer to chat. Yes, CHAT. Because otherwise I start crying 'n' shit and I find it humiliating. Also, I can express myself better through the written/typed word. (haha -> Still, can't really write well though. hahah)

― the tip of the tongue taking a trip tralalala (stevienixed), Saturday, 28 March 2009 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^^^^ very otm. less personal the medium, easier it is to say stuff.

― iatee, Saturday, 28 March 2009 19:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

There are so many problems when it comes to how mental health is regarded, though some of it is how much of an inexact science it is today, there's so many different treatments that will work for different people (in terms of medications, therapies). Despite there being a greater general awareness of it, there's still a huge stigma and shame about seeking help, which doesn't help since when you're suicidally depressed, you already don't want to.

― Nhex, Friday, 10 April 2009 04:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Are you okay? If you need to talk, it's igotabeefpastry @ gmail dot com

― Veteran of the Psychic Wars (Abbott), Friday, 10 April 2009 04:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

you - anyone, I guess

I have had v good luck w/hotlines, btw.

― Veteran of the Psychic Wars (Abbott), Friday, 10 April 2009 04:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

I just want to sleep forever. Sleeping is the only thing I look forward to. At what point does one decide "I'm never going to get my shit together"?

― windjammer voyage (blank), Monday, 30 April 2012 09:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

dude you never decide that because it isn't true. I give this testimonial all the time but in 2008 I wanted death so bad I could taste it, it was all I thought about when I was awake, it was a big fucking surprise because I'd been out of the woods for years, I'm a senior citizen I didn't think I was going to see the please-let-me-just-not-wake-up station again ever and then there I was. four years & plenty of therapy later I am in better shape than I've ever been in and I would not have guessed, in a thousand years, all the turns things have taken for me since the last day I spent wandering from room to room unable to do anything but cry. you just do not know, empirically you cannot know because there's no such thing as the future except one that's limitless & infinite and a great number of the possibilities there are very pleasant indeed, that you will never get your shit together. that's just the most vivid of the infinite possibilities from your present perspective, which is clouded by feeling like shit

hang the fuck on blank imo

― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 April 2012 09:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^ co-signing, aero knows from what he speaks

― Aimless, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

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