S/D: Gay movies of arty qualities

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You KNOW you want to see Ring Of Darkness:

"It all starts when the lead singer of a boy band just doesn't fit into the team anymore. So they do what all good boy bands do, the underwear-clad studs gather round the singer and suck his blood dry. To replace the lead singer the band, and their manager played with calm poise by Adrienne Barbeau (the actress, currently on "Carnavale" on HBO, is known for creating the role of Rizzo in Grease and playing Maude's daughter in the '70s TV show) decide to hold public concerts. Creating a sort of reality TV situation they select three contestants and invite the hunky boys to their private island where they will select the new singer. Immediately, there's friction with a girlfriend, a hero boy with a guitar on his back and lots of 6-pack abs and raised shirts. When the "good" contestant Shawn finds a secret cave with voodoo dolls, tons of candles, a torture rack and mysterious band photos, there's hell to pay."

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 September 2005 00:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://campblood.org/

OMG! That reminds me of a movie whose credentials as arty or gay are on probation, but Sleepaway Camp is the best slasher movie!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 23 September 2005 04:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

seriously now i'm getting kinda puzzled why none of you seem to know kenneth anger.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 September 2005 06:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

...Because I haven't been on this thread yet?

First gay fillum per se is Basil Dearden's Victim, starring Dirk Bogarde as a homo barrister in the days before Wolfenden, being scared to shit because bad men were bribing him with cottage photos. It's amazing. It's also on PBS affiliates about once every year, usually in a season with The Servant and other class-based dramas.

Also Paris is Burning seems to speak to/about the years I lived in NYC.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 September 2005 07:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

still no anger, suzy.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 September 2005 07:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

I was gonna mention movies like Victim (which is indeed amazing for a film made in 1960), Show Me Love (the best lesbian flick ever?), Beautiful Thing, etc, but I didn't think they were what Eric was after, since they're more "socially conscious" than "arty".

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 23 September 2005 07:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

I admit I was using "arty" as something of a red herring. Beautiful Thing is a lot better than most of the other coming out teen dramas.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 23 September 2005 08:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Victim" was on Channel 4 last week, what a great 60s UK cast: Bogarde, Sylvia Syms (what a babe!), Dennis Price, Anthony Nicholls, Peter Copley, Norman Bird, Peter McEnery, Donald Churchill, Derren Nesbitt (hooray!), John Cairney (!), Nigel Stock, Charles Lloyd Pack, Frank Thornton ...

― Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 23 September 2005 08:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

Anger's on the astrology thread

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

The grrrreat The Joy of Life hits DVD tomorrow (and it, uh, ain't just gay):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FP2YR2/102-1063953-7028925

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 July 2006 19:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

L.I.E. was pretty great.

still hstencil OTM about Anger, the epitome of gay "artiness"

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 July 2006 20:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

search: "Those Who Love Me Can Take the Train"

― Fetchboy (Felcher), Monday, 24 July 2006 20:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

For your lesbian, artsy s&m fix, search Maria Beatty's The Black Glove and the Elegant Spanking.

― Jena (JenaP), Monday, 24 July 2006 20:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

I like:

Parting Glances
The Living End
Wild Reeds
The Opposite of Sex
Gods & Monsters
Bad Education

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

What is this board's general consensus on the movie Touch Of Pink? I loved it, but have heard of others not quite enjoying it. I thought Kyle Maclachlan was superb as the spirit of Cary Grant and actually thought Alim and Giles were great together. I don't know how "arty" the movie is, though. I know it's an "independent" film, but so was Velvet Goldmine, and I'm fairly certain that film has no place in this kind of discussion.

― Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 03:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

Sort of off topic? you know when a trad guns n ammo movie tries to crossover into artyness just by having one random gay tough guy/G? oh WOW, homothug = 'a shoot em up with heart...and some brain" "oh see, it must have been the JAIL. clever"

I want gangster movies where EVERYONE is gay!

― LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 03:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh wait, The Warriors.

― LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 03:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

There's an old flick called Becket with Peter O'Toole & Richard Burton that's about King Henry II that has gay undertones, but done in such a subtle manner so as not to offend the masses in the '60s when it was made. Anyone see this?

oh, i think that a bare-chested henry II whipping himself to a bloody pulp at beckett's tomb is pretty not-subtle if you ask me.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 05:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

re beckett: since it was based on a french play on the same subject, i've always wondered if the original play also has all of those "hey, sailor!" moments.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 05:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

I remember a movie called Sebastian, with music by Eno from the late 70s/early 80s that was pretty gay. Set in Roman times, and largley (entirely?) in Latin.

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 05:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

Derek Jarman'll do that for ya.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 11:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

You gotta love the French flick Funny Felix, where the protagonist is both gay and HIV positive, yet neither of those is what the movie's about.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

I mean, it's rare to see a film where HIV just happen to be something the main character lives with, rather than dies to.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 12:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Kenneth Anger vol. 1 to finally be released by Fantoma in November.

http://www.fantoma.com/fantoma.html

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 October 2006 02:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

directors to search:

george/mike kuchar
kenneth anger
jim hubbard
tom chomont
lawrence brose
james broughton
joel singer
jerry tartaglia
jack smith
willard maas
chantal akerman
su friedrich
barbara hammer
marlon riggs
john greyson

― joseph (joseph), Sunday, 1 October 2006 16:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

Some of my favorites:

Mala Noche
My Own Private Idaho
Naked Lunch
Wild Reeds
Water Drops on Burning Rocks
Tropical Malady

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

I liked But I'm a Cheerleader a lot

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

I know it's an "independent" film, but so was Velvet Goldmine, and I'm fairly certain that film has no place in this kind of discussion.

very puzzling that this is the only (wrongheaded) mention of todd haynes on this thread. don't pretty much all of haynes' movies fit exactly this description?

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 19:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait to see how the Dylan pic fits the criteria (no snark intended, by the way).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah. well, maybe in the way that t.h.'s movies are all about identity in various ways (which always seems at least implicitly tied to gayness, and explicitly in a lot of them). dylan's a good case study in the creation and manipulation of identity, and also the way it can be a trap, etc. (i assume that's the point of having so many different actors play the part.) anyway, i'm looking forward to that movie.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

also david lynch possibly has a place in the discussion, homophobe tho he may be. mulholland drive is on logo a lot, and he also seems like one of the most obvious descendants of kenneth anger, cinematically.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

how is Lynch a homophobe? I admit: homos exist for him for fetishizing purposes (eyeliner, feyness, white powder, "In Dreams").

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

well yeah, homophobe might not be fair. i'm mostly thinking of the dean stockwell character there, who's kind of a poison-queen archetype (and lynch's archetypes tend to be kind of reactionary in general). but at the same time, the first time i saw scorpio rising i thought, "wow, david lynch has seen this movie a hundred times."

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 21:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

After several dozen screenings, I still can't say for certain that Dean Stockwell IS gay -- or whether it matters. He's just a mincing weirdo, the most outrageous element in that most outrageous of scenes.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Anyone familiar with this new Mexican director Julián Hernández? His A Thousand Clouds of Peace... was really something -- like early Van Sant, only more elliptical, and he's got one that just opened in NYC, Broken Sky, that sounds like it will attract tons of Chelsea boys (for the young Latin flesh) who will go to sleep (from all the pining and wandering, 140 minutes' worth).

http://slantmagazine.com/film/film_review.asp?ID=2552

Kenneth Anger in person at an hourlong screening of his 'essentials' next Saturday night at the NY Film Fest (tix still available):

http://www.filmlinc.com/nyff/program/avantgarde/kennethanger.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

wow, Two Drifters is outrageous and deadpan. Less sex than O Fantasma but even more pervy, it's true. Strangest needledrop score too -- Andy Williams to Bright Eyes!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 January 2007 19:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

I wonder if Jackass 2 belongs here?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

That Kenneth Anger thing is coming to the Walker in Minneapolis soon. I should go!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

what's the deal w jackass 2?

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

NEWSIES

― Abbott (Abbott), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

(x-post) It's sort of a weird crypto AIDS movie in which gayness is surpressed with self-imposed body abuse. Until the finale, when the thin line is crossed and it sucks big time.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

'Boys in the Band' is great at conjuring up a long-gone past.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

well, so is Private Idaho

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

jackass 2 may be gay, but it sure isn't arty.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

There are a bunch of similar-ish French gay arty movies, generally about confused young working class men who get their kit off and have angst re their masculinity/ sexuality/ hottness etc etc

I am thinking of Presque Rien (studenty bloke has failed suicide attempt and thinks back to holiday gay romance that lead him to it), Le Clan (hot brothers have various types of angst), Wild Side (pre op tranny brings her two boyfriends to help look after her sick mum) etc. They are all quite slow and elliptical but worth watching

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, Le Clan had its moments but was mostly worth it for the beefcake (directed by one actor from Wild Reeds, starring another -- same with the similarly meh Full Speed).

xpost

New print of Becket about to show in NYC.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh man, I LOVE Newsies but my sister got dibs on the VHS copy. I surrendered it for the tape of "Treasure Island" with Charleton Heston and 16 year-old Christian Bale.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

xpost

Le Clan was pretty ridiculous in the amount of nudity in it, not that I was complaining. Agree that Full Speed was pretty meh

Presque Rien is probably the best of the ones I mentioned and also stars that same actor (Stephane Rideaux?).

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

yes, Rideau -- he's good in Wild Reeds and always a visual treat.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Is he gay? He was rather fetching in the awful American-style-artiness of Come Undone.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

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Oh no. I love the Kuchar brothers. I got on this thread to suggest Thundercrack. :(

― MrDasher, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

A rundown on Weekend:

http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/andrew-haighs-weekend

I'm about where Uhl1ch is on this one.

― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 September 2011 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

At the NYFF tonight they showed an intro George Kuchar recorded at the hospice for the two videos they showed. "It's a one-way ticket here," he said, worrying about his lighting.

― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 October 2011 07:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

search search search: luther price! saw a handful of his films last night, inc. 'sodom', which is mentioned in this good overview of his work from 2000:

http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/29/lutherprice.php

― GREENS (the putting kind) (donna rouge), Friday, 11 November 2011 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Werner Schroeter, anyone? Looks like only xyzzzz has posted much about him in the past. Anyway, cherished by Fassbinder, and subject of what looks to be a complete MoMA retro soon:

http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/films/1271

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Looks sort of Peter Greeenaway-ish?

― jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

haven't seen a thing, could be.

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 14:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

here's a preview piece:

http://brooklynrail.org/2012/05/film/shock-opera-the-first-north-american-film-retrospective-of-werner-schroeter

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

so, again:

http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/werner-schroeter-1945-2010

I saw The Death of Maria Malibran last night, and Jarman is a closer comp than Greenaway, but not really.

Candy Darling lip-synching "St Louis Blues" in brownface :o

― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 May 2012 15:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

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