Be careful not to drop it, it's kinda slippery.
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:14 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:17 (twenty years ago) link
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago) link
and then paint more pictures with that.
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:28 (twenty years ago) link
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:34 (twenty years ago) link
― scg, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:36 (twenty years ago) link
Yes, but then you can't judge a person who loves a certain racial type a priori (*face value* har har) or just because s/he's now in a relationship with someone from a different race. Something I sadly do tend to do despite realizing it's also *bad*. Vice versa: I equally dislike Japanese women for *hunting* down a caucasian guy because of what he represents (according to her/Japanese culture). It's too complicated.
― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:38 (twenty years ago) link
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:38 (twenty years ago) link
it's not racist to not have found people from certain racial types attractive.
it may be racist to make remarks such as "i don't find asians attractive"
also, sexual attraction often has to do with familiarity, and so clearly you're more likely to be attracted to someone of your own culture (note the word culture i.e. not necessary race).
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:39 (twenty years ago) link
― scg, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:41 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:42 (twenty years ago) link
i think using "short-sighted" in a derogatory sense such as this is bigotted, arrogant discrimination against the disabled.
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:45 (twenty years ago) link
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:45 (twenty years ago) link
I think it's only fair to point that out.
(x-post: I meant COMIC and WITTY form.)
― the chufox, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:45 (twenty years ago) link
Well, I often find both Asian and black folks attractive, and it might be exactly because to me they're "exotic"; Finland's immigrant population is rather small, so the exoticness comes from that.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 11:54 (twenty years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago) link
(personally I totally go for pale-skinned caucasians, but there ya go)
― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:06 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, I wasn't arguing with you, just wanted to make a point. But i think the familiarity thing has more to do with what sort of personalities you find attractive. For example, I might find Hindu women sexually attractive, but the cultural differences might be an obstacle (not an unpassable one, obviously) if I actually dated one.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:07 (twenty years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:10 (twenty years ago) link
ive noticed that there are some racial groups i find more sexually attractive in general (white/latin/oriental/mixed..i only seem to like black and latino men but i like mostly all girls)but not in any fetish way. i thnik its a problem when people will only go out with a certain race, esp. when it is not their own race or exclusively their own race. i have never been with a girl just because of their ethnic origim, i dont like the whale flava' craig-davidee thing. there is no racism in blanket statments such as 'x raced people are sexy. being repulsed by certain racial types would fall into racism, like when nazi's fell in love with jewish bitches and started feeling sick. white girls with thier slicked down hair and saying they only go out with black-boys..etc is just confusion.
― nebula, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:40 (twenty years ago) link
as is she, whose species is unbeknownst to mehttp://www.segginger.net/Star_Trek/Voyager/Kes02.JPG
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago) link
i just don't know what to say about this.
anyway, Tuomas OTM. Since we're all talking in massive generalities here (crossing ethnic lines, reaffirming racial distinctions that are supposed to be outmoded)...we can generalize about personalities too. From my experience, the quite unattractive thing about "Asian women" is that culturally, they are not particularly informed, outspoken or humorous about social, cultural and political issues. This is a turn-off for me.
And as others have pointed out, the "aesthetics" of someone from Cambodia are utterly different from those of Japan. The "aesthetics" of hungry people are also very different from those of excessively made-up people. Leave politics out of it? How can you?
We're also not clear on whether we're talking about "Asian women" in Asian countries, or those in our first world countries. There is a world of difference.
― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:50 (twenty years ago) link
i dunno about that. it is racism, it might just not be bad racism...
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:52 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.louisck.com/images/headshot2.gif
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago) link
Any man who thinks that Asian women are subservient should try riding a crowded bus in Taipei or Hong Kong. They'll kick your hyper-masculine ass. Then spit on you. Not necessarily in that order.
i think the point is becoming clear.. it's not racist to not have found people from certain racial types attractive.
It's okay to think something but not to say it. Oh, now I get it. Yeah, that makes rhetorical sense. Okay. Huh? Are you serious?
SPOKEN: "I'm sorry Ms. Chen, we are unable to offer you the job/have sex with you at this time."
THOUGHT: "We don't hire/sleep with Asians. Ever."
― Skottie, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:09 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Skottie, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:20 (twenty years ago) link
haha. er, actually, you didn't really get it
the point was, saying "i haven't encountered an asian woman whom i've found attractive" isn't necessarily racist. but to say "i find asian women unattractive" is.
the first is factual, the second is an ill-informed generalisation.
to assume that "ms. chen" is an asian/chinese name, is probably also racist but i guess you got that, anyway.
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:26 (twenty years ago) link
― not telling, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago) link
You may want to also see this thread of mine:
Making positive generalisations about people in other cultures/races - classic or dud?
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago) link
what's the opposite of preference? no preference. how is that prejudice?!
the point i'm making is merely that crass generalisations (what does an Asian woman look like? etc.) are a dumb way of putting it and will appear suspicious. and people should say what they mean/be more specific.
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link
i have a friend who only likes men with blue eyes and refuses to even consider any who don't. that seems like mentalism to me.
― emsk ( emsk), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eva van Rein (Gaia1981), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link
you fucker - those were the exact words I was going to use.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link