I have been thinking about this all morning
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 March 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
Nixon’s fear about the file surfacing as a follow-up to the Pentagon Papers was Nixon’s motive for creating Hunt’s burglary team in the first place.
crazy that this turned out to be true, I remember this being speculated upon in Arrogance of Power, I think...?
― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 March 2013 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
I checked out one of Parry's books.
Most reporters have given short shrift to the Chennault material. The recent book by those TIME suckups on the ex-presidents inadvertently did more to raise the specter of those signals sent from Texas to the White House during the Nixon years.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 March 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
which book, Alfred?
I'm thinking Lost History looks like my kinda wheelhouse
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 March 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Fooling-America-Washington-Manufacture-Conventional/dp/0688109276
It reminds me of Mark Hertsgaard's On Bended Knee, a superb account of press genuflection before St. Ronnie.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 March 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
oh that's the new one, right?
hmm
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 March 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
OKAY FINE I'LL GET IT
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 March 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
The BBC picks up the story. Nothing from US newspapers?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 March 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't seen a peep from anyone. I want to say 'unbelievable' but it's so totally, depressingly believable.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 March 2013 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, totally. It's like Robert Parry pointed out in the Alternet link Alfred posted, no major US news organization has any interest in embarrassing itself further at this point.
― Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 18 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
think i first read about this in hitchens' kissinger book. as usual, history turns out to be more sordid and disgusting than any conspiracy theory.
kinda can't help regretting that LBJ didn't follow through with his 'surprise! i'm running again!' plan; four more years of LBJ at his worst couldn't have been worse than four years of nixon.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 18 March 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
Hersh's Kissinger book first advanced it but to see it confirmed...
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 March 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
hard to imagine two more vicious bastards than Nixon and LBJ trying to kneecap each other
― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 March 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
man throw Walt Rostow on the fucking dung heap too and set it on fire.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 March 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
anyone see the Robert Redford-narrated doc All the President’s Men Revisited?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OttPE1PCQA
― piscesx, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
Jeb Magruder dead
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeb-stuart-magruder-jailed-for-watergate-role-dies-at-79/
I saw 'Bud' Krogh on a panel at the National Archives this morning.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 May 2014 22:40 (nine years ago) link
One by one, our old friends are gone. Death--natural or not--prison, deported.
Who's left?
― clemenza, Friday, 16 May 2014 23:29 (nine years ago) link
shocked to find Big Bob Haldeman died 21 years back at 67.
― piscesx, Friday, 16 May 2014 23:46 (nine years ago) link
Kissinger, Dean, and Liddy come to mind (as being alive), although beyond telling Nixon whatever he wanted to hear, I don't think Kissinger had direct Watergate involvement. Maybe I'm forgetting something. Alexander Butterfield's still alive too.
― clemenza, Saturday, 17 May 2014 00:06 (nine years ago) link
I'm surprised Kissinger didn't show up at Baba Wawa's farewell so she could fellate him AGAIN
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 May 2014 03:25 (nine years ago) link
Pat and Bob died within six months of each other. After that, Nixon wasn't long for this world.
― pplains, Saturday, 17 May 2014 04:10 (nine years ago) link
Did a bit of reading on Magruder yesterday, found out he got his start in '62 working for Rumsfeld, and then he worked for Goldwater in '63. Would love to have seen Pete Frame take on the two American political parties.
http://blog.familyofrock.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/clip2.jpg
― clemenza, Saturday, 17 May 2014 11:36 (nine years ago) link
anniversary party album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxfZt4vbg4I
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 August 2014 04:30 (nine years ago) link
Beat me to it. Not just a regular anniversary; 40th.
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 August 2014 05:04 (nine years ago) link
love that album
― "trough lolly"??? (stevie), Saturday, 9 August 2014 09:59 (nine years ago) link
lasting legacy from Watergate is in Dick:
"no president will ever lie to us again"
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 August 2014 13:12 (nine years ago) link
Probably a little blurry:
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t427/sayhey1/august91974_zpsdca30fbf.jpg
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 August 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link
Oops, wrong chart--that's for the week ending August 3, 1974. The correct chart would be towards the end of this issue.
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 August 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link
None of (his war crimes) brought down Nixon. However weary the country was with Vietnam, it was regarded as standard policy, however misguided. Only when Nixon attacked a powerful target did his political career collapse.
Unlike antiwar dissidents, the Democratic Party had serious mainstream pull. It was one thing to spy on the Black Panthers and the Yippies; it was quite another to wiretap people connected to corporate and private wealth....
Still, imagine how Nixon would enjoy Obama's NSA and drone wars.
He'd be right at home, along with the rest of us.
http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2014/08/downfall-ii-oval-delirium.html
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 August 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link
what brought him down were the tapes
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 August 2014 21:15 (nine years ago) link
...about ratfucking the Dems
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 August 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
(and covering up)
Perlstein on the 40th anniversary of The Pardon:
First Woodward, then Bernstein, came to conclude there had been no deal, and that this was instead an extraordinarily noble act: Ford “realized intuitively that the country had to get beyond Nixon.” After Ford died in 2006, Peggy Noonan went even further. She said Ford “threw himself on a grenade to protect the country from shame.”
They’re wrong. For political elites took away a dangerous lesson from the Ford pardon — our true shame: All it takes is the incantation of magic words like “stability” and “confidence” and “consensus” in order to inure yourself from accountability for just about any malfeasance.
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/08/watergates_most_lasting_sin_gerald_ford_richard_nixon_and_the_pardon_that_made_us_all_cynics/
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 September 2014 17:44 (nine years ago) link
I can't remember if it was Mad Magazine or Nixon enemy Paul Conrad who had the best cartoon about the pardoning: President Huntz Hall Ford cheerfully staring into the "things to do your first day as president" list: 1. Pardon Nixon. 2. Don't bomb the Russians
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
Swear to god, about half the time I vent to someone at work about something, my principal will make casual reference to what I was venting about within a day or two. I need to get a team of plumbers up and running.
― clemenza, Friday, 1 May 2015 12:32 (eight years ago) link
That pardon was probably one of the five or ten most important events of the last 1/2 century (in America). Incalculable, nation-altering effect when a criminal President is let off the hook like that.
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 1 May 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
Since moving back to OC I've bee re-reading Nixonland irregularly. The creation of the silent majority is some evil genius masterminding.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 2 May 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link
Anybody remember the way Bill Clinton would reference, in a croaky voice, people "who work hard and play by the rules"? Pretty sure I got to hear that more than once, and Hillary brought the phrase back for an encore last year in a speech in Iowa I believe.
His way of trying to re-define the Silent Majority to include those messed over by corporate ruthlessness, without necessarily letting in the P O O R (except for the "deserving" poor, who have to be saints to qualify). So, a slightly progressive redefinition, but probably too compromised to matter.
― Vic Perry, Saturday, 2 May 2015 04:16 (eight years ago) link
Is there a recommended bio on Roger Ailes that's heavy on his Nixon years? He's like the villain out of Tomorrow Never Dies.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 07:07 (eight years ago) link
It's not a biography at all, but I think Joe McGinniss's The Selling of the President 1968 is primarily about Ailes.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
Damnit, I actually have this book but haven't read it yet. OK then...
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link
This Salon piece should interest you:
http://www.salon.com/2011/01/21/roger_ailes_fehrman/
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 23:13 (eight years ago) link
2-hour Watergate doc on ABC tonight. Timing!
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 June 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
ooh thx
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 June 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
Woodward & Bernstein revisit their pre-hack years
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 June 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
Huh, guess my brother-in-law was born the day before the break-in
― Wet Pelican would provide the soundtrack (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 16 June 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
Bill O’Reilly, who was fired from Fox News in April after several harassment allegations came to light, will appear in the special, according to ABC.
oh... never mind.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/31/abc-watergate-documentary/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 June 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
"balance"!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 June 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link
I suspect Nixon was ultimately punished more for approval ratings that were cratering than for the high corruption. If the public had decided Watergate wasn't that big a deal, I'm sure Goldwater and the rest of them would have stood their ground and the impending impeachment would never have reached the stage it did (which I think was a recommendation to proceed with impeachment hearings...I'd have to double-check). I'm not defending Nixon, believe me; I'm just saying I'm not ready to ascribe noble principals to the Republicans who bailed on him (or, to be truthful, to the Democrats who were swarming either). It's politics; most everyone was acting out of self-interest.― clemenza, Saturday, April 2, 2011 11:35 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 16 June 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
curious if anyone has any favorite watergate documentaries. dunno if i'll bother w/ the abc one but would be interested in a good one with lots of original footage.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 16 June 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link