1970-1979 WTF - The Hard 'n' Heavy 'n' Loud + Krautrock, Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Shit - Albums Poll! - VOTING THREAD! Closes Mar 8th 11.59 PM UK Time - All ILXORS/LURKERS WELCOME

For Les Rallizes Dénudés fans
http://youtu.be/BYteF-C4S_o

Lots of good albums on the nom list, but it's hard to argue with Boston - s/t as a perfect album.

Here's a RS reader's poll:

Readers' Poll: Your Favorite Prog Rock Albums of All Time
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/readers-poll-your-favorite-prog-rock-albums-of-all-time-20120725

01. Dream Theater - 'Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From a Memory'
02. Rush - '2112'
03. Yes - 'Close to the Edge'
04. Pink Floyd - 'Dark Side of the Moon'
05. Genesis, 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway'
06. King Crimson - 'In the Court of the Crimson King'
07. Genesis - 'Selling England By the Pound'
08. Rush - 'Hemispheres'
09. King Crimson - 'Red'
10. Rush - 'Moving Pictures'

Wow.

haha iirc DT posted a link on their site so TD fans 'bombed' the poll. RS readers went from bemused to angry. Everyone else laughed.

pretty sure theres a thread about it on ilm

Queensryche fans must have been gutted they didn't think of that first.

Maybe they did but there just isnt many of them now.

Here's one of my prog faves.

http://fastnbulbous.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/vandergraaf-godbluff.jpg

Van der Graaf Generator – Godbluff (Charisma/Blue Plate, 1975)
Van der Graaf Generator was an enigma from the start, and remain just as mysterious over 40 years later. From the beginning they defied easy categorization. They didn’t fit easily into the niches of psychedelic rock, folk, jazz fusion or progressive rock, yet there were all of those elements and more. At the peak of the punk era, when the bloated circus road shows of Pink Floyd, Yes and Genesis were dismissed by punkers as irrelevant, Johnny Rotten famously gave props to Van der Graaf singer Peter Hammill during a radio show. Mark E. Smith of The Fall was also a fan. It’s easy to hear why. When many prog bands were polishing their schtick into static performances, Van der Graaf Generator embodied that restless, questing spirit that led to constant change. They never played the same songs the same way, often pushing themselves to the point failure, alienating half their audiences. This of course sabotaged their commercial viability, but generated awe and respect mostly among fellow musicians. The early albums showed Hammill’s talents as a worldly lyricist as he tackled mysticism, numerology, religion, science fiction and even the Spanish Inquisition. Pawn Hearts brought the madness to a peak as one of the most uncompromising albums of the early 70s. Experimentation with electronics gave their sound an edge that sounded even more evil than before, creating a truly monumental clash of beauty, chaos and horror. After several exhausting tours of Italy and Europe, the band took a hiatus as Hammill tried his hand at some solo work.

Two and a half years later, they triumphantly re-emerged with Godbluff, which trimmed some of the more dense, show-off instrumentation into sharp, laser focus. Introducing some space to breathe gave the music that much more impact on “The Undercover Man” and “Arrow” with a spare, sinewy rhythm in the opening statement, Hammill’s vocals adding sweeping drama that suggests he may have even been an influence on Ronnie James Dio. At a time when prog was falling out of commercial favor or moving in a pop direction like Genesis, Van der Graaf Generator became even more heavy and uncompromising, with perhaps only King Crimson as comparable peers.

My fave VDGG album!

That's not really a bad prog top 10 IMO, excluding the first spot...

My list would be different though. Hmmm. Have we ever done an all-time prog poll?

nope

omg that would worth if for the is it prog or is not roffles

^just volunteered to run it

on a related note, my nonstop of jamming on T2's "no more white horses" led me to the thought that maybe they didn't connect with prog audiences cuz they're not really proggy enough? if NY & crazy horse had dropped the same song it'd be a rock classic, and I wouldn't call them prog either.

nah I find prog kinda ridiculous, that wouldn't be good for anybody

xp

just you wait until people nominated Radiohead, The Mars volta and Coheed & Cambria.

http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/Current/1970-79a.htm

the allman brothers album was boring. lasted 4 songs

damn, i forgot to vote for simply saucer!

at least you voted!

This is the best version of Wishbone Ash - The King Will Come
http://youtu.be/QBiYnFa79DM
Its from Live Dates (1973)

cheers tom for voting!

i know some dude will be lurking so get yer vote in before you moan at the results sir! ;)

Today's recommendation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWtIaAZL_y0

well i never.
having kept out of this thread due to thinking i had little interest in "hard and heavy weird shit" side of 70s rock, i've just checked the list.
and damn, actually know and love loads - the usual suspects of course
so, there goes my lazy sunday as i have to now figure out the ordering.

hey mark i wish the rest of ilx would realise that. I bet most people could pop in a top 20 at least if they looked at the nominations
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AumbddEHET5xdEZaQ0paMUZpNEdGeUdRSGRTY3BfV2c

ps how big is your shortlist?

and of course for those who cant handle ranking you can do
unweighted (all your votes get equal points) or split rankings (rank as many as you want then the rest will get equal amount of whatever amount of points are left)

or just rank them fully.

Whatever suits you all best. Minimum of 20 maximum of 100.

and then do Takin' Care of Business: ILX 70s RAWK TRAX VOTING RULES AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD - VOTING THREAD!- Closes Nov 8th 11.59 PM UK Time - All ILXORS/LURKERS WELCOME

on a related note, my nonstop of jamming on T2's "no more white horses" led me to the thought that maybe they didn't connect with prog audiences cuz they're not really proggy enough? if NY & crazy horse had dropped the same song it'd be a rock classic, and I wouldn't call them prog either.

Yes, T2 definitely were a hard rock/prog fusion. But I think it's only because they broke up too soon, not because of their heaviness that stopped them from wider appeal/recognition. Here's the bands that RYM categorized as both hard rock and prog:
Wishbone Ash, Atomic Rooster, Jethro Tull, Rush, Uriah Heep, T2, Night Sun, The Masters Apprentices, Twenty Sixty Six and Then, Time, Warpig, Golden Earring, Budka Suflera. The first half of these have certainly seen success.

The Masters Apprentices - Choice Cuts (1971) - Australian band started out as psychedelic in 1967, moved to England and recorded this. Some heavy moments, but less so than, for example, Jethro Tull. Didn't impress me much. The only album nominated here was Toast To Panama Red (1972), which is even less heavy.

Twenty Sixty Six and Then - Reflections On The Future (1972) - I like this better, German heavy proggers, singer Geoff Harrison has a good, gruff Paul Rodgers style rock n roll voice. Probably not great enough to make my ballot though.

Time - Time (1972) - I think this is a Croatian band, a real bitch to search for obviously, but I found a couple results using the "Istina mašina" song title, will report back.

Man, I'm woozy, prog overload. I've listened to over 20 albums this weekend by Bachdenkel, Out Of Focus (flutes galore), Tetragon (German instrumental prog/pre-math rock), Agitation Free, Area, Renaissance, Curved Air, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Le Orme (Italian symphonic prog) along with the previously mentioned. I'm also re-evaluating Hight Tide, Granicus, Hard Stuff, Jericho and Highway Robbery to decide if any should make the ballot.

And also Italian proggers Premiata Forneria Marconi.

I hope you dug the excellent Agitation Free

someone wake up hellhouse!

the main guy from T2 had another good (but folkier) album two year after Boomland-- Keith Cross & Peter Ross- Bored Civilians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2ozNSk36m4

oh cool, will check it out.

btw where are all the ILM Chrome and Fall fans?

well, Dragnet is basically my second favorite album ever so I guess that's me

are they going to be the Sonic Youth of this poll?

Actually are the early 80s Fall albums more critically acclaimed than the 70s albums?

The Fall poll is coming up here p soon and everybody's acting like it's going to get a record number of ballots or something, but I think that there's been kind of a silent backlash against them lately, partly because their last record was not v popular, (who can be sure it isn't any good? though that was my gut reaction)

like the 80s was their decade and they only had one song and two albums nominated for that. Like This Nation's Saving Grace didn't get nominated which is kind of crazy if you ask me! Like everybody forgot. Part of that is my fault, considering I was the one who nommed the two Fall albums that did make it--TNSG was my first Fall album and it's good but I didnt quite get it back then, and then later I connected w the 79-83 stuff so deeply that I tend to underrate the Brix stuff--but the fact that nobody even thought to pick up my slack really is kind of weird imho

xp yeah I'd say so

but yeah Dragnet and Early Years are going to place v high on my ballot

Its hard to tell if the fall will place high as their fans on ilm, of which are many, might just go "oh a rock poll im not clicking on it" and miss out (presumably that is why they werent nominated in 80s poll?)
but thats why people need to campaign. It reminds people , especially those who glance through nomination lists. Albums that get campaigned for seem to do best see 80s results for that. It was hardly surprising big black and sonic youth did so well as most chat was about them.
Do people just assume sabbath/led zep/bowie/rush/yes will dominate this poll so dont bother?

Im surprised at the lackof the fall and chrome chat on here. I guess we need hellhouse,stirmonster and edward!

Mind you I never understood the fall love on ilm

man I could probably write a short essay on each one of at least half of the tracks on Dragnet and the surrounding singles explaining why I love that particular one so much, but I really think that would be a bad way to stimulate conversation and convert people who already think this undertaking is a solipsistic wankfest

actually that would be great!

I for one would welcome any dragnet related thesis

Wow, I'm surprised by how much I'm digging Love It to Death after Billion Dollar Babies didn't do much for me beyond the title track. I can totally see how Thurston Moore was into this.

Sund4r do you like Chrome?

I don't know Chrome very well at all.