whoasorry thought you said "Anti-Flag". nevermind. continue.
― how's life, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
Point is, I only use "f*****" as a f***** and directed toward other f*****s who I like. Which is near-diametric to how AB played it.
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
xpostOh, balls...keep ballin
I never said no one should care. Not my argument at all! I was simply stating that there are people who use those words casually, and we shouldn't act as if they don't exist because it doesn't fit into the preferred narrative
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
I guess I'll confess I remember the pains kreayshawn took to distance herself from v-nasty's outbursts. was trying to come up with a racially based pun on tourette's but I'm gonna quit while I'm ahead.
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
it's ok to call something queer if you're from new england as long as you pronounce it quee-uh, it's like a -gger vs -gga thing
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
http://amputd.com/media/200803/07.jpg
balls been ballin since balls had small faces
― 'glown' with the king (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
that is still one of the most amazing South Park moments
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
Our radio station runs PSAs. Same campaign paid for ads on every campus bus.
Xxxpost
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not buying her argument at all, at the least because it just reads too defensively. i don't think you get to assert an alternate, general meaning for your hate speech AFTER you've thrown it at someone in the targeted category
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
when 50 cent went into similar homophobia on twitter he got blowback for it. also iirc correctly someone somewhere wrote something about tyler's homophobic and misogynist language. willing to bet that ppl have written about hateful language from other male rappers before, they got chuck d like jesus iirc. if there seems to be some inordinate amount of attn paid to this now it's becuz the standards of behavior have been raised since will smith could crack aids jokes or pe could work some gaybashing into their aids song. doesn't seem crazy to think if hs football coaches in alabama can be taken to task for using homophobic language in 2013 then youtube one hit wonders can also. it's called progress.
― balls, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
azealia banks I question her queerness she calls herself queer but we'll see if she plays this
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
and the generalized "backstabber bloodsucker" meaning doesn't even make sense. i'm out of touch with the youth culture these days, but can anybody tell me if teen girls are calling each other faggots these days?
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
what are the odds on her dropping a "but some of my best friends are gay" defense
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
Her argument (if you can call it that) is so flawed and terrible. There is zero justification for it, and she just needs to own that fact, do a duet with Elton John and I'm sure we'll all forget...just like last time.
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
elton john's out of her league, maybe rufus wainwright is available
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
but hey maybe rural alabama is more progressive and has better schools than where mr slappy subs and they throw up their hands at kids using bigoted language and think 'well, kids don't always follow the preferred narrative! whattya gonna do?' instead of maybe pointing out to these kids that in the real world using that kind of language will make it impossible for them to hold a job (unless they work in silicon valley), maybe discipline and guide them, maybe even teach them (call it a 'teachable moment' maybe). maybe mr slappy subs in mississippi.
― balls, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
who exactly forgot eminem is a bigot?
― balls, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
You really need to de-crabbify your cunt. You are projecting extra hard this morning. I can't even be offended because it's like you're not even responding to what I wrote.
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
looks like that cunt's gettin' de-crabbified
― 'glown' with the king (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
iirc ppl mostly stopped caring about Eminem because he was spending most of his time yelling "I LUV U" at his daughter, so he said some homophobic shit on a Nicki Minaj song and threatened to beat up Rihanna on "Love the Way You Lie" to become noteworthy again
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
that was sooner than I expected lol
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
the more I think about it the more feeble comparisons between f-word and n-word use seem, if alone for the fact that few ppl are secretly black
oh man you dropped the c-word, leveling up huh
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
it's ok to say on the azealia banks thread, pass it on
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's never an especially useful parallel, but they're also probably the most powerful and prevalent slurs against minorities that constantly get thrown around and debated about, so they'll always be twinned to some extent. the Blur and Oasis of hate speech. (xp)
― weed, tumblr whites and wein (some dude), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
slappy was there another homophobic rapper who did a duet w/ elton john and their bigotry was forgotten? are you referring to axl rose here - do a duet with Elton John and I'm sure we'll all forget...just like last time?
― balls, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
does that make c-word the Suede of hate speech
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
actually that's the London Cunt in the U.S.
― 'glown' with the king (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
No, balls. No.
Eminem is still listed as the best rapper of all time, for many people (not myself, obv). No one associates his name with his homophobic lyrics these days as often as you'd like to think. And if they do, they down-play that fact with gushing over his "talent' and "charisma".
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link
who is 'they' here?
― balls, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
Um, I don't know...maybe people who write about music and make lists of the top rappers of all time? I rarely, if ever on these lists, see a great deal of time spent on Eminem's homophobic lyrical content. If it is, it's usually accompanied by some crap about his duet with Elton and how that somehow excuses it...along with that "talent" and "charisma".
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
what happened?
― flopson, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
i have no fucking clue
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
it's usually accompanied by some crap about his duet with Elton and how that somehow excuses it...along with that "talent" and "charisma".
I guess I missed these think pieces...?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
― sleepingbag, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ Em and Tyler's agegnda
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i'll grant his homophobia doesn't completely define him (though he's obv aware and unrepentant about it being a part of his arsenal, cf roman's revenge), but it defines him more than say ice cube's issues w/ koreans defines him. that azealia banks is defined more by her bigotry is due to their being little else to define her - she had one youtube hit forever ago and she rants about gays on twitter, that's her public persona to the small segment of the public that's even aware she exists. if m.i.a had only had 'galang' and anti-gay rantings on livejournal that'd be her legacy also. that ppl even care at this point is due less to banks continuing to dig (cuz really, who still think's we're looking at a 'career artist' or whatever here?) than reddit types like juzwiak or slappy here feeling the need to defend or spin it. she's a bigot and a moron, there's no interesting takes to be plumbed from it.
― balls, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― flopson, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
can you link to one of these lists that has eminem listed as one of the greatest rappers of all time and mentions his duet w/ elton john but doesn't mention his use of SHOCKING language. did larry king write it?
― balls, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
straight guy chides gay guys for not being sensitive enough to homophobia
― The Reverend, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
― 'glown' with the king (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:04 (23 minutes ago)
rejected madonna album titles
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
srsly you gays need to wake up, homophobia's all around in case you didn't notice
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
wake up queeple
― weed, tumblr whites and wein (some dude), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah rev no offense but goon squadders rallying to spin whoever's being bigoted on twitter today is so par for the course that i can't even pay it any mind any more, reddit at least has some 'influence' in the world at large and is worth passively detesting, goon squadders are only respected by other goon squadders, why bother. someone could maybe write something on the role white male critics had in giving a free pass to various bigotries in hip hop and how it continues on today w/ j0rdan, deej, whiney, whatever white critsetc (the last one encouraging it), but considering the increasingly shrinking number of ppl who can make a living from or who care about music crit or hip hop it's probably not worth it.
― balls, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
'reddit types'!
― max, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
lol@ you taking your reddit frustrations out on me.
Why are you acting like I don't know she's a bigot and a moron? Once again, I'm not defending her, but I think it helps to put her ignorance into context, which is what my first post was attempting at. I'm not excusing, spinning, or justifying. Where did I say it was perfectly ok to toss around the word 'faggot'? I can condemn her language and attempt to understand the thought behind it at the same time. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
The article you seek, is here (the publication sucks, but my point is still valid)
http://www.complex.com/music/2012/08/the-30-best-rappers-in-their-30s/eminem
Not only is he their number one, but there's not a single mention of his homophobic lyrical content. And just over ten comments in, you have someone dropping 'faggot' as if it's nothing...
Yeah, I see what you meant about 'progress' earlier. I guess if you're not on the receiving end of all this progress, it's easier to see.
― Cousin Slappy, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link
posting that list is super ironic given the salvo just launched
― Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
the fact this debate is occuring between two ppl named "balls" and "Cousin Slappy" gives it a weird vibe
― 'glown' with the king (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link