Hip Hop taken to new levels.

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― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

maybe he meant subjectivist

― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

LeRoi Jones - Blue People
Read it motherfuckers.
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OR not.
Seriously Ned, read Blues People.
To quote big lebowski.

"You're out of yr element donnie."

see ddrake this is the kind of smug *bam* i'm smart me bullshit that gets me pissed. i actuallyhaven't read Blues People. This tells me nothing. This gives me no reason to read it. This is just a pretentious kid dropping names. At least gimme the salient points which have SOMETHING to do with whats being argued here.

You're all up for arguments, supposedly. So John drops you this:

Fine, but that's a very arguable position - not one you can "Bam!" as though revealing the Truth From On High. I'd argue that context limits the capacity for insight, and a fair number of people who think about reading/interpretation would tend to agree.

and what do you reply? what do you reply? you complain about being compared to Geir, instead of responding by arguing your point.

and
But no, I can't really offer pointers any more than anyone else can tell me in frank terms exactly what makes ROCK.
YOU FEEL IT MAN!!!

this was your attempt at a joke...right?

Bam.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

arguable

Of course its arguable. That's what I'm doing, presenting an argument.

The blues are mainly instrumental?

The beginning of one's conception of the rock aesthetic, i.e. "Rock REALLY began with the beatles!" "Rock began with the Velvet Underground, for me," etc.

How so? I fail to see much to do with deconstructionism in the cited comment.

If he wants to play that way, "hip hop" can mean anything, and this entire thread is pointless. Perhaps "hip hop" refers to all music ever created. In which case my argument is no longer valid. Fuck circles, lets go in a mobius strip.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

like you HAVEN'T BEEN?!

― can't! stay! away! (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

for 415 posts?!

― must! drag! self! from! computer! (M Matos), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

Can we just cut to posting our getting-in-the-last-word/dick sizes now? Or better yet just dick pics... which would accelerate the locking of this thread.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

(and would make C*l*m a happy boy.... mmmm he likes them big)

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

this was your attempt at a joke...right?

Ummm...no. That was me NOT being "pretentious," or claiming that I have any sort of knowledge to drop on anyone, simply because I DON'T know what yr experiences are.
i emphasize that Blues People is a great book though. I'm sorry that isn't convincing enough.

How so? I fail to see much to do with deconstructionism in the cited comment.

"If deconstruction means anything, it means that statements such as "deconstructionism means x" are meaningless."
-Jacques Derrida (roughly)

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

I guess the main question here is: Should a genre be defined by what it is, or by what it isn't?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, you meant subjectivism.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:09 (twenty years ago) link

Whatever works.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link

is you is, or is you ain't my hip-hop?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

so if Jigga put Whitman lines in verses and sampled Schoenberg, that wouldn't be hip hop?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

But then yr sampling :-p

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

disregard my last post. who cares? hip hop seems to be one of the last genres where people fight over what is and isn't part of it.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but yr not a punk cause I have more piercings than you.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

Ignore my post with the "sampling" line, I misunderstood what you were saying.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

''ILM taken to new levels''

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

"of mediocrity"

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.vinylsingles.co.uk/images/artistic/runninginthefamily.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

so if Jigga put Whitman lines in verses and sampled Schoenberg, that wouldn't be hip hop?

The correct response to that would be "I'd have to hear it first."

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

Goood night ladies and gentlemen.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

can i lock it now?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

sure, but where were you like 300 posts ago?

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

it feels weird being at the bottom of this thread. like being in a deep dark hole where no light will ever shine.i think i'll go eat some ice cream.

― scott seward, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

Go for it.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

oh right, jess was insisting that the original question-asker was looking for "rock." Sorry to answer my own question there.

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

disregard my last post. who cares? hip hop seems to be one of the last genres where people fight over what is and isn't part of it.

You mean besides "punk"?

Oooh, jess got the keys.. gotta get my dick in here somewhere...

============D

YEEEEEAH baby... lock it now, you sexy mofo

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

i was eating a sandwich and watching the view

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

That referred to locking the thread, but by all means, have some ice cream.

― ddrake, Monday, 17 November 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, sorry stence, i said my two or three posts and then, you know, had other stuff to do.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

YOU were the bastard that started this fiddo.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

why do people always threaten to lock threads that become contentious or are dominated by sentiments with which they don't agree? Fuckin' hippies.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

i emphasize that Blues People is a great book though. I'm sorry that isn't convincing enough.

Substitute Blues People with, say, "The Bible" and you see why we're a bit bugged here. Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

this thread just makes me feel all...

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

i dunno, just kinda...

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

Substitute Blues People with, say, "The Bible" and you see why we're a bit bugged here. Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.

Or in some cases, extremely funny.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

blount, i'm still making your cards. i have not forgotten.

― doomnut bietch (donut), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

Or in some cases, extremely funny.

There's always room for variety.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

http://nihilistdisco.matterwave.net/images/brasil-6.jpg

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone told Momus about this thread?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

(Also, Wooster ROXX.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

http://hipsterdetritus.blogspot.com/cam.gif

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

aaah mike you're a ninja.
are you gunning for the late JON WILLIAMS throne?

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

w.r.t. cam'ron: h-h-h-HOW???

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

hey cam'ron shrunk and now you can't make out the 'rapper' title above his name.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

the original poster was looking for "opera". with breakbeats.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone told Momus about this thread?

Momus has his filter set so threads about hip-hop aren't visible

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 November 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

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