Is this anti-semitism?

"Take my Jew, please!"

Pierre-André Taguieff, a French specialist on racism, told me that Dieudonné in some ways reminds him of Céline, who, in 1937, “sensed something in the air, coming partly from abroad, from Germany and other parts of Europe, and partly from France—a feeling that anti-Semitism was becoming a strong cause, with a broad resonance, across the political spectrum. I think Dieudonné sensed a similar thing in 2001 to 2002, after the second intifada.” He went on, “I think our Dieudonné has quite a keen intuition for the movements of public opinion, and he immediately sought to instrumentalize this creeping anti-Semitism in public opinion by bringing it into his sketches, as a popular provocation, as a means of connecting with people on a visceral level. Dieudonné is a provocateur; he exists through provocation.

that article literally makes me feel ill whenever i think about it

Ugh, on Sunday night I was out for a few drinks in my local, and some kid I hadn't met before came over and kept bothering me (I think someone had pointed me out as a leftist, which he claimed to be as well). Anyway, he was deeply irritating in his crude conspiracy theory 'sheeple' stuff. At one point he repeated the old 'jews were warned about 9-11' story. Surprisingly hard to engage with people like that, even if you have the energy, which I don't. After denying this was an anti-Semitic story he started on about how 'jews are only interested in money anyway'. I haven't had much exposure to that sort of stuff, even being politically active on the Left, which sometimes gets hijacked by anti-Israel stuff. Anyway, I told him to fuck off because he was doing my head in (and I'm generally very nice to idiots). Anyway it's obviously antisemitism, I was just surprised that the 9-11 stuff was still in circulation.

all conspiracy theories eventually lead to anti-semitism ime

you should report him to the Elders of Zion. he'll be out of a job within a week!

theyre all rooted in anti-semitism! or most of em at least.

every passover we get together and laugh our asses off about the moon landing

btw in this vein i would be interested to hear this threads take on umberto eco's prague cemetery, which is sort of a fictional history of the protocols of the elders of zion that attempts to show its anti-semitic narrator as a lunatic but i think kinda revels a little too much in his anti-semitism

i mean if nothing else its a pretty difficult read

wait did we genetically engineer the AIDS virus? I forget

best lunatic anti-semitic narrator in literature is Col. Pyat imo

Dieudonné is Batman-villain-level of insane. He used to be good, you know, when he was in a duo act with a jewish comedian.

the funny thing is that if you had to pick a minority group that was the biggest victim of actual conspiracy theories, well, jews would def be up there

Whom do I hate? I could say the Jews, but the fact that I am yielding so compliantly to the suggestions of that Austrian (or German) doctor suggests I have nothing against the damned Jews.

All I know about the Jews is what my grandfather taught me. "They are the most godless people," he used to say. "They start off from the idea that good must happen here, not beyond the grave. Therefore they work only for the conquest of this world."

btw in this vein i would be interested to hear this threads take on umberto eco's prague cemetery, which is sort of a fictional history of the protocols of the elders of zion that attempts to show its anti-semitic narrator as a lunatic but i think kinda revels a little too much in his anti-semitism

― max, Tuesday, February 5, 2013 3:40 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sounds like an unnecessarily risky narrative methodology.

I dreamt about Jews every night for years and years.

http://i45.tinypic.com/6h3n0l.jpg

There are Paris intellectuals who, before expressing their distaste for Jews, concede that some of their best friends are Jews. Hypocrisy. I have no Jewish friends (God forbid). All my life I've avoided Jews. Perhaps I have instinctively avoided them, because the Jew (like the German) can be identified by his smell (as Victor Hugo put it, fetor judaica). This and other signs help them to recognize each other, as pederasts do. My grandfather used to say that their smell is due to the excessive use of garlic and onion, and perhaps mutton and goose, coated with sticky sugars that make them splenetic. But it must also be the race itself — their infected blood, their feeble loins. They are all communists — look at Marx and Lassalle. In this respect, my Jesuits were right for once.

the narrator, i should be clear, is presented as unambiguously insane and unstable, and likely jewish himself. but ya... as you can see in the stuff mordy is quoting, its still really difficult to get through

Nothing wrong with garlic and onion imho

I don't really have a big problem with what's quoted? It's clearly ridiculous.

and this for example:

"They are the most godless people," he used to say. "They start off from the idea that good must happen here, not beyond the grave."

it continues on in an anti-semitic vein, but this seems like the type of thing that is designed to have an alternative reading, ie "better that than apocalyptic American evangelicals".

There, I thought, the little Semite parvenu, working his way into respectable families to advance in his career. And did his concern about his fiancée not betray the sensual and lascivious nature of the Jew, always thinking about sex? You think about her at night, don't you? And maybe you touch yourself fantasizing about her — you too should read Tissot. But I let him go on.

it's a long book and there's a lot more. you probably have to have a strong constitution to make it all the way through.

you really find that offensive, rather than silly/pathetic?

i think the notes from underground protagonist is simultaneously pathetic + horrific and i guess i feel similar about the protagonist for prague cemetery? being silly/pathetic does not mean that it's not upsetting - after all isn't all anti-semitism pretty silly? the idea that ~12 million jews (%0.02 of world pop iirc?) are controlling governments, banks, hollywood... still destructive ideology.

you never hear about the young'uns of Zion

whippersnappers of zion

the welders

tweens of zion

A guy on a sales call just reassured me that he's not trying to jew me.

did you say "too late, I'm already Jewish"?

thought this might be a bump for the slow-learner english football pundit who described an error in a match last night as potentially being 'a holocaust'

the exact same thing has happened before i think, which suggests rather like 'rape' to mean 'physically dominate opponent', 'holocaust' to mean 'disastrous mistake' is part of football's private idiolect

John Galliano's new look

ajl nagl

such a bawbag

thats how he always dresses and wears his hair

You'd think the Post would know how to spell 'schmuck'.

Like when they called Ed Koch a "mench"

maybe they misspelled "menk"?

well this is fascinating and awful

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/charles-krafft-is-a-white-nationalist-who-believes-the-holocaust-is-a-deliberately-exaggerated-myth/Content?oid=15995245

Owens was motivated to speak on Facebook after playing online chess with a close Jewish friend from Boston, who simply asked Owens why he had a friend like that. "I realized that I could not continue playing chess with Harvey unless I did something about Charlie—it became simple for me," Owens wrote to me in an e-mail. Owens made another, broader, important point, too: We should "not just blame Charlie for this but the entire arts community of Seattle which has proven to be soft-headed. As I said when I wrote about this, it would never happen in Brooklyn or Boston—people would just kick his ass down the block. But Seattle has a misguided kind of false tolerance going on here, so there is a lesson for all of us in this."

I am not so certain that this dude would get his ass kicked in Boston

fucking hell

good object lesson in being very suspicious of "ironic" bigotry in the first instance

like, the kara walker comparison doesn't work at all because krafft isn't jewish

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/feb/21/george-galloway-debate-israeli-oxford

urls i will not click #1 in a series

About the Eco book.

There's a feeling sometimes when someone is trying to write an antisemitic character, or an anti-black, or Islamophobic character, and that author isn't part of the group the character is supposed to hate, that the tropes and tics of that hatred are cliches, right?

For reference I also don't think American History X is very good, for the same reason.

I know I already mentioned this example, but such cliches can be used to great effect in capable hands. in lazier hands the results vary, of course.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2013/02/24/3120356/house-subcommittee-convenes-anti-semitism-hearing

But, they say to me, the Jews have their own judges and laws. I respond that is your fault and you should not allow it. We must refuse everything to the Jews as a nation and accord everything to Jews as individuals. We must withdraw recognition from their judges; they should only have our judges. We must refuse legal protection to the maintenance of the so-called laws of their Judaic organization; they should not be allowed to form in the state either a political body or an order. They must be citizens individually. But, some will say to me, they do not want to be citizens. Well then! If they do not want to be citizens, they should say so, and then, we should banish them. It is repugnant to have in the state an association of non-citizens, and a nation within the nation. . . . In short, Sirs, the presumed status of every man resident in a country is to be a citizen.

For the longest time I thought Napoleon said this but it turns out it was Stanislas Marie Adelaide, comte de Clermont-Tonnerre.