I'd say less influential than indicative of the type of people at the executive offices of music labels.
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
he reminds me of ~music matters man~ middle aged dudes on message boards everywhere (not just rock boards either, classical music boards too)-- there's always some invariably female pop star acting as an ideological bugbear for these ppl, fuck these assholes in the eye IMO. At one time it was Madonna, then it was the (always misspelled) 'Brittany' Spears, I'm seeing Katy Perry inveighed against a lot now...
― there were chinchillas, these weird little rat animals, in cages (Jon Lewis), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
keep scrolling down to where he links up amanda palmer and howard stern approvingly!! well, stopped clock i guess
― goole, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
The conflation of Madonna as a looks-only, no-longevity musical phenomenon that he's comparing Beyonce to falls completely flat when you realize Madonna is in her third decade in music and still relevant enough to be played regularly, even if newer material falls flat at the super bowl or whatever. Trying to make her performance about looks, and then saying that Beyonce succeeded on looks, is ridiculous.
Dude is a biased old sexist.
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
uhh you can very well believe keys uses a blackberry. shitloads of people use them! she endorses them, right? (esp if lefsetz means "BB" as a stand-in for smartphones in general) and no, it doesn't make it more likely that beyonce drinks soda. -goole
Not to defend Lefsetz, but I recall him quoting an older A. Keys article where she said she used an iphone and so he was critiquing her based on that prior usage. in addition to Leftsetz, others were commenting on her suddenly endorsing Blackberry after having been an iphone user (with her own designed iphone app too I think)
― curmudgeon, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
Jon Lewis OTM. The Steve Hoffman board is lousy with those schmoes.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
huh all right. i could have figured. that's pretty damn dumb.
― goole, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
xp
His recent discovery of '90s techno was pretty funny. He circulated a playlist someone sent him with Moby on it
― curmudgeon, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
wonder if he thinks all the people in super bowl pepsi commercials actually drink pepsi all the time
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, other than beyonce
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
That seems dumber on Blackberry's part than Keys. Lol at the idea that the authenticity fetish extends even to product endorsements.
― rob, Monday, 4 February 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
tbf Lefsetz reminds me of the brand-loyal old people who are wandering in trying to buy an RCA television or whatever because the one they had for the last thirty years was the best
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
Yes & no. He definately has that old-school mentality regarding certain values and certain styles of music but he is always boasting about how knowledgable he is on the latest tech, he happily praises Amanda Palmer for her online approach, and he dismisses the music industry for its stuck in the past ways regularly.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 4 February 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
Great, so instead of 1974 he lives in 2004.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 February 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
that old-school mentality regarding certain values and certain styles of music
RCA televisions
btw his traditional likes are kind of artistically and technologically bankrupt, too
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
he likes amanda palmer's online approach because she works in a more classical mode of composition and live arrangement
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
racism and sexism are timeless and really have nothing to do with whether he likes the Eagles or crowdsourcing or both.
― Oblique Strategies, Monday, 4 February 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link
the main way the music industry is stuck in the past is the idea that the heads of music labels, who themselves do not make music or tour at this time, are arbiters of taste and success in the music industry
these are also the only reasons people listen to him, assuming that experience is key over popular appeal and experience of those who regularly tour
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sure i said this on another thread, but he's got some kind of cossacks-work-for-the-czar mental error going on. his analysis is that it's "the industry" that's pushing all this bad CD-quality (lol) pop music (at once blander and more aggressive than is ideal) on "the people", who could not possibly like that music really, which is why the business is faltering. but "the internet" will allow new rabble-rouser/hustler types to reach the people directly, resulting in a hopeful return to dominance of AOR/MOR folk-pop with feelings.
― goole, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
well said
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
howard talked about this today and mentioned lefsetz. his take was "it was a dance recital more than a musical performance."
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Monday, 4 February 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
beyonce doesn't usually bookend her stadium shows with half a football game either, what the fuck do these guys think they're even talking about
― goole, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
They have a classic rock/ rockist mentality combined with sexism, and they like to be provocative. Lefsetz also keeps returning to certain themes of his that do not always make sense-- he suggests that we should never blame ticketmaster or the like for high ticket prices or shows selling out quickly because, according to him, the artist alone deserves the blame for not dictating a lower price to the ticket service and for not coming up with a special method of distribution that will allow more fans than scalpers to get the tickets. I think blame can be shared, but everything seems to be black or white to him.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
wasn't it more of a dance recital than a musical performance tho
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Monday, 4 February 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
No, it was not. There were talented musicians up there, performing under what I would imagine were really difficult conditions sound-wise (what's the monitor mix like at the fucking Super Bowl?). But no one's ever gonna talk about them. The guitarist had to shoot fucking sparks out of her guitar to get noticed at all.
― 誤訳侮辱, Monday, 4 February 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
this isn't true, I don't think - Lefsetz's deal is basically to champion the internet as it was understood at the outset of social media, when Myspace was (briefly) the default mode of presentation. He's not terrifically interested in the nature of an artist's composition or their arrangement; he's old-school in the sense that what counts for him is success, hits, asses in seats.
― available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 4 February 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
talking about the talented musicians behind beyoncé: http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/02/but_what_about_beyonces_band.html
― lex pretend, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
what's the monitor mix like at the fucking Super Bowl?
in-ear monitors p. much industry standard now tbqf
cool link lex!
― goole, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
weren't most of the tracks canned loops? certainly didn't sound live. i assumed the guitarist was playing to a track because of the sparks. then again i didn't watch the performance closely and basically had it in the background...had no idea she had a 10 piece band w her. im just gonna slink into this corner ...
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Monday, 4 February 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
Awesome; of a 10-piece band, four get spotlit (but not the drummer, which considering the rhythmic focus of Beyonce's music is a pretty glaring fucking omission), and/but the backup singers get their own YouTube video. Ha.
― 誤訳侮辱, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
the "dance recital" "musical performance" thing is so confusing to me, in what way is dance not a musical performance and iirc the super bowl halftime show used to be like, puppet shows, so where is it written that singing has to take precedence over dance
― #guy #guy fieri #poop #hallway (zachlyon), Monday, 4 February 2013 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
xp the drummer got a few seconds on camera, i only noticed her and the guitarist
I feel like his embrace of technology is similar to how my parents love the XM radio and USB ports in their cars but only use them to listen to classical stations and ripped CDs of Moody Blues albums.
― Bound by Habitrails (J3ff T.), Monday, 4 February 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
trying to pretend the super bowl is anything other than a theatrical performance is ridiculous
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
I stand corrected on my take on his interest in seeing traditional songwriting and performance after discovering a tweet about him chilling w/Skrillex's dad: "He's proud. He should be"
― mh, Monday, 4 February 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
I hope the MBV album sells a billion copies, forcing this doofus to write some reactionary "kids today" piece.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 February 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not like a beyonce super fan or w/e but goddamn what in god's fuck more could you possibly want out of a superbowl halftime show????
― downton arby (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 4 February 2013 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
People playing instruments that you can also masturbate to?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 February 2013 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
What's Marah up to these days?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 February 2013 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
chillin' in philly
― downton arby (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 4 February 2013 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
Oh shut up with your cliches:
And you know what's great about Bourbon Street? The people! They haven't got ugly, lumpy, imperfect people in Los Angeles, they're stopped at the border, like in "The Grapes Of Wrath." But here in Louisiana I came in contact with the real America, one that descends to the southern tip of our country to let loose, because while those on the coast are pursuing their career dreams, those in the middle know it's about having fun, and that's what you do in New Orleans, party.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 3 May 2013 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
Sub "Sixth Street", "Texas", and "Austin" in the appropriate places and he probably published the same thing about SxSW.
― Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 3 May 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
Is Lefsetz allowed in any cities by that criteria
― mh, Friday, 3 May 2013 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
They haven't got ugly, lumpy, imperfect people in Los Angeles, they're stopped at the border
http://www.internationalmusicsummit.com/img/speakers/picture/detail/bob_lefsetz-300x300-18.jpg
― THIZZ VAN LEER @_@ (lpz), Friday, 3 May 2013 04:07 (eleven years ago) link
did I never drop my Lefsetz is Vizzini science itt?
― Fred by Durst (The Reverend), Friday, 3 May 2013 06:47 (eleven years ago) link
?
― jay-z's ansari (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 May 2013 13:42 (eleven years ago) link
please do
― curmudgeon, Friday, 3 May 2013 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
getting taken by bourbon street in 2013, yeah...
― goole, Friday, 3 May 2013 14:41 (eleven years ago) link