Best Piano Music : Classical or Jazz

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In general, it's probably true that on the piano it's harder to give a distinctive shape to each individual note. For example, if someone played you a recording of just one note that was played by a distinctive sax player, you might have a chance of guessing who it was. I can imagine being able to distinguish a single note played by say Albert Ayler, versus say John Coltrane, or Peter Brotzmann, or John Zorn - because an advanced player can really shape the sound of a single note on the sax. Now imagine trying to do that with the piano. It would be impossible. You could recognize a pianist's style from a longer section - but not from one note. Having said that, good pianists do have distinctive styles that make the piano sound different in their hands versus someone else's. It's usually in the way they exploit the timbral possibilities of the instrument - the various ways that they strike the keys, and how they combine those sounds.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

(like nate says) you can have a style like on the saxophone but I think that's true for the piano even though you won't be able to tell who's playing after a note but whether that constitutes the 'not having a personality' then i'm not sure. but ok I just sort of overreacted to yr 'dull instrument' post.

(also, I think its quite tough to maybe distinguish one sax player from another by just playing a note but it prob would be easier overall)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

Re the thread question: Reggae!

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 8 October 2003 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

solo piano performances run the danger of being intolerably bland. and there are lots of them; I can understand anyone growing tired of them. if that's what you mean, mister Al. it takes a skilled performer to captivate with solo performances of most other instruments (besides guitar, just as easily abused).

Even with compositions that are so well structured they're a guarenteed good listen, it's tough to find a quality recording. Took forever for me to find truly great versions of Ives' Concord Sonata.

Messiaen's 'Vingt Regards' can be excruciating or total timeless amazement. The Anton Batagov recording on Melodiya is performed at about 60% of the indicated tempo; it normally fits on 2 CDs, his requires three. It also seems like the microphones are on the other side of the theatre from the piano; it sounds like a haunted wreck. Batagov grew up heavily influenced by Cage and Eno; he plays Messiaen like '1/1' off 'Airports'. It's like no other recording of Messiaen I've heard. He also does my favorite Ravel and does a bizarre one-note-at-a-time ambient version of 'art of the fugue'.

Gould's done 4 recordings of the Goldberg Variations, 1954, 1955, 1959, 1981. All very different. I like 1955 & 1959 overall for happiness, 1954 for pure fury, 1981's good when I'm in a very grim mood. I mean, he really was dying.

I love Ciccolini's Satie to tears. (Though Alan Marks did the definitive 'Vexations', one full 60 minute disc of it. If anyone has a copy of this, e-mail me.)

La Monte Young's 'Well Tuned Piano' is incredible, and Riley's 'Harp of New Albion' is the accessible pop version. I mean, many great pieces named above, nearly everything I love except Chopin makes me feel wrong, but I've got to check out that African Brand disc...

Totally drunk, no one's yet mentioned one of my three favorite composers, Scott Joplin. I like the Joshua Rifkin.

(Jon L), Friday, 10 October 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link

anouar brahem's "Le pas du chat noir" is a pretty beautiful album too...

Conor (Conor), Friday, 10 October 2003 06:30 (twenty years ago) link

stockhausen's "mantra".

noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 10 October 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

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amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 10 October 2003 12:24 (twenty years ago) link

ten months pass...
j'aimerais bien recevoir par e-mail la partiture piano de Gosset de la chanson appelée "ta ta yei", je crois la numéro neuf de un des ses discs. Merci merci bien et j'attends une réponse!!!

starnini roberta, Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I DON'T SPEAK FRENCH YOU FAGGOT

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Yet to hear Comprovisation. But I did attend one of the recitals on which this recording is based on. He omitted the Cardew perf (which had some London Underground related recordings, can't quite remember). Also omitted are the transcriptions of Derek Bailey's guitar music. You could def hear certain riffs, but I felt - inevitably perharps - that Derek easy flow ws lost when transferred to the keyboard. Didn't see him doing 'Variations II' so I'm looking forward to that.

This is an excellent program - 'Jazz', a riotous 6 mins; Obermayer, an improviser in the group Furt, matches those contrasts and sheer physicality of the Finnissy. Mick Beck (a blind improv bassonist) wrote a 'piece', this is the one where I'm thinking 'could he pull it off on a recording', v fluxus-y, I think its so visually depedant - funnily this is the one where you might have to see it. Burn is a noted performer of Henry Cowell's music and I think that rubs off on his piece. The Simon Fell piece ws exhausting, plenty of stops and starts, and programmed as the last piece of that evening (over a year ago now). Hardcore!

Anyway, this ws one of the few times I thought this is how solo piano recitals ought to be done - the pieces are diff and varied enough, however you get a common goal and purpose throughout, no audible links are lost, with enough risks (Bailey transcriptions/Beck/). Will find out whether some of that comes across or not.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 May 2007 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Maurice Ravel - Gaspard De La Nuit

This is intense! If I learn even the first movement before I die, I'll be thrilled.

I just played piano publicly for the first time in at least six years for my friend's wedding. A couple rough spots, but the nice thing is that wedding audiences have their attention fixated elsewhere. I stuffed as much French stuff as I could into the program...

Frédéric Chopin, “Prélude No. 17 in A-flat major” (Op. 28)
Ludwig van Beethoven, “Piano Sonata No. 8, Mvt. 2: Adagio cantabile” (Op. 13)
Claude Debussy, “Clair de lune” from Suite Bergamasque
Maurice Ravel, “Mouvement de menuet” from Sonatine
Leonard Bernstein/Stephen Sondheim, “One Hand, One Heart” from West Side Story
J.S. Bach, “Air on the G String”
Erik Satie, “Gymnopédie No. 1”
Claude Debussy, “Serenade for the Doll” and "Doctor Gradus ad Parnassum" from Children’s Corner

Eric H., Monday, 27 August 2007 03:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Nice. I just bought the Hanon book I used to practice from when I was a kid. I'm hoping to start playing again, but.. discipline, etc.

poortheatre, Monday, 27 August 2007 03:39 (sixteen years ago) link

I like a lot of what's been mentioned here, especially the Messiaen, Scriabin, Satie, and Chopin. Schubert has a lot of great sonatas, and Schumann and Brahms have a lot of unsung solo piano work. my favorite keyboard works that I never see mentioned anywhere else are Janacek's, especially 'In the Mist.' Andras Schiff has a great collection on ECM.

poortheatre, Monday, 27 August 2007 03:42 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've learned the first page and a half of Gaspard. The easy part.

Eric H., Sunday, 16 September 2007 04:39 (sixteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Bud Powell's name oughta turn up in more discussions about mindblowing pianists because he was the man

You mean he doesn't?

The Invention of Worrell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 June 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link

I know of at least discussion in which someone said:

Every hip stud
Really dug Bud
Soon as he hit town.

Takin' that note
Nobody wrote.
Putting it down.

The Invention of Worrell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 June 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link

well, he wasn't named on this thread prior to my post, I mean.

Hey have you listened to his A Portrait of Thelonious album? That is a sick album. You can feel the love he has for Thelonious, who actually for a drug bust to save him a jail term.

calzino, Sunday, 26 June 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link

copped for a drug bust

calzino, Sunday, 26 June 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link

Scott Cossu's REUNION stuns me. Listen to "Shepherd's Song"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L6FL1bedwe4

beamish13, Monday, 27 June 2016 01:48 (seven years ago) link

He would come up in any discussion of the greatest jazz pianists among jazzheads. Maybe doesn't have a lot of love outside that world though.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 27 June 2016 02:00 (seven years ago) link


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