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ummm yah sorry couldn't resist cheap jokes

i over-reacted. but really, the beat isn't that bad lol.

not to be a dick but it takes a special kind of white person to make a beat as inept as the one in 'ready for the floor.'

― call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 February 2009 20:52 (Yesterday)

ha i second this post

if 2 jeezy trax place, the 2nd will surely be 'circulate' rather than 'my president'

it was already seconded

yeah I think the top 10's gonna be flooded with the big summer hiphop jams (as it should be, fukk this Ting Tings bullshit)

― Conti Rice (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, February 6, 2009 10:06 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nah, i seriously doubt this. "American Boy" and "A Milli" definitely, maaaaybe "Put On" and/or "With You" and/or "Can't Believe It" or something left-field like Solange, but otherwise i don't see much big radio stuff on the nominations list that I think stands a chance of being in the top 10.

hey an argument about if theres more indie than rap on ilm

indie and rap bedwetters of the world, unite.

princes is gonna be top ten right?

now that is an inept beat (still like it)

http://www.garysturt.free-online.co.uk/baron.htm

^^^this thread

lol autism

I'm being serious!

The Baron-Cohen studies fascinated me as a teenager probably more than any other non-Zimbardo experiment. I think the Sally doll tests pretty much sum up this thread.

we lol at the last.fm thread, but at least they're interested in other people's opinions rather than distressed by their existence

Rolling last.fm thread 2009 no haters!

how can they keep this up for months and months?

― caek, Friday, February 6, 2009 3:19 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think this is what it is. People have contrived this entire worldview like the children in these tests, where evidence ceases to matter and they can only picture a world in which, for instance, dubstep is more popular than MGMT.

xp

Or, looking at it another way, they create two beings: "themselves" and "the other", but cannot identify or empathise with "the other".

i wonder exactly who you could be talking about

omigod you guys i'm going to start the top 10 in just a few minutes!!!!!1

I mean, taking this a step further, a lot of these concerns are thrown onto a lack of dubstep or r&b, two genres that it could be fair to say eschew emotional concerns in favour of more... concreteness? Does that tie into all this? The autistic mind has less "emotion centres" (Anaral, 2006). Does this tie in to a theory or am I just looking for patterns in roulette numbers?

*(Amaral, 2006), sorry.

Alternatively, Nisbett (1973) suggests these behaviours are common _across_ society: we view our own feelings and opinions through a much more complex glass than we do those of others.

http://www.garysturt.free-online.co.uk/nisbett.htm

How the hell is it fair to say that R&B eschews emotional concerns in favor of more concreteness?

You do realise it doesn't matter because it isn't actually a serious argument?

well, yeah

i for one look forward to dom's EMP proposal about why the lex is a tard

This is why I paused before writing that post, so let me clarify: I think in R&B, and I'm willing to take my lumps on this if so be, always places a barrier between the artist and the song, vis a vis: you admire the artist for their technical performance, and then you admire the song for its emotion. I'm especially thinking of the major players here, yr Careys, yr Beyonces, etc, it may be slightly different when we start moving from mainstream R&B down to neo-soul and the like, but a lot of R&B vocal performances always made me feel like hair metal guitar solos: powerful, impressive, but ultimately disconnected from the rest of the song. Put it this way: do you ever come away from an R&B track with that whole "man, they're really going through the wringer singing this"? I mean, even compared to a Kelly Clarkson or whoever.

xxxp

I know I may be saying "I don't find this emotionally affecting and therefore it isn't" and thus invalidating all my arguments upthread, but maybe not.

Christ you are inane.

haha

You're conflating good singers singing crappy songs with an entire genre being about privileging technical chops over performance. There are about a bazillion R&B tracks that have that type of emotional wringer moment; I mean I can't stand her but pretty much everything Keyshia Cole does rests squarely on this idea, as well as pretty much every single Whitney Houston song, most of Beyonce's ballads (particularly "Dangerously In Love" and "Flaws And All"), most of Mariah's ballads (particularly "Vision Of Love" and "Hero") etc etc etc.

I mean seriously, given the heavy gospel and blues influence behind R&B, saying it's about technical perfection over emotional performance is quite possibly the single most uninformed thing you could say about it; if you want to complain about how ProTooling away imperfection has caused recorded R&B to sound more distant, you've got a much more compelling starting point to talk from.

ok musically now please

i would hate to interrupt this discussion tho

Put it this way: do you ever come away from an R&B track with that whole "man, they're really going through the wringer singing this"?

With Beyonce in particular: absolutely. Although there's also the sense that I'm witnessing some extraordinary conjuring trick that she's playing on her own emotions; she's at once totally within the performance, and yet also somehow outside of it.

no please go ahead

10 - Young Jeezy Ft. Kanye West - Put On
174.5 points, 15 votes
22 in P&J, 67 in p4k

i'm kinda still trying to figure out why i like this song so much. even tho both of jeezy's verses are pretty great ("call me jeezy hamilton", "inside fish sticks/outside tartar sauce" [this whole inside/out thing is already played but i like this one] etc.) the song is still pretty rote as far as his songs go. im sure this well get me clowned from now until forever, but kanye's verse might be my favorite rap verse of the year. typical mix of great lines and shitty ones but the autotune works so well in this context for him. this one's been a real grower for me and might end up as one of my fav singles of the year and, along with some other verses that jeezy's spit this year (most notably completely murdering the "dey know" remix) kinda restored faith that he might have another good album left in him.
- J0rdan S

whoever said that Kanye's verse on this was 808's condensed to greatness was right.

With Beyonce in particular: absolutely. Although there's also the sense that I'm witnessing some extraordinary conjuring trick that she's playing on her own emotions; she's at once totally within the performance, and yet also somehow outside of it.

― mike t-diva, Friday, February 6, 2009 6:51 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not sure what this means tbh

"call me jeezy hamilton" is the wrong line to quote in the plus column

oh shit, here we go..

not sure what this means tbh

me neither but i am putting it down to me not really being that interested in the specifics of beyonce's vocal skills (hence me liking and caring far more about her bangers than her ballads)

This record is terrific and all and Kanye's verse SOUNDS great but at the same time so whiney and entitled and emotionally immature it reminds me why I've never been able to get more than two tracks into 808s.

i love 808s And Heartbreak but have steered clear of The Recession so far

there go all my hopes for house and techno sweeping the top ten ;)

"call me jeezy hamilton" is the wrong line to quote in the plus column

― some dude, Friday, February 6, 2009 12:01 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

i wrote that after listening to the song maybe three times - i still think it's a good line tho

you guys do realize that Dom and buddies are just bored shitless and trolling, right.

xps

naw i'm pretty sure no one here gets how dom operates.

tru dat

"bored shitless and trolling"

the board has a new description!!

good observations one and all

"jeezy hamilton" is definitely one of the more memorable lines, but it's still just one of those kind of eye-rollingly dumb non-punchlines that jeezy does that i sometimes like but usually tolerate. plus i hate they way he switches up at the last second to the clean/Charlene rhyme when every other line of the verse has a differend end-rhyme, it's the kinda lazy MC shit that really bothered me about his 2nd album that he'd mostly stopped doing on The Recession. that's totally just nitpicking, though, still a dope song.