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Not to beat this particular point into the ground, but I'd be pretty disappointed if Forever didn't make the top 10

so...4 of my ballot have placed so far, can expect 2-3 more ('a milli', 'put on', maybe 'do you mind' or 'shawty get loose'). i guess it's a mark of how far removed ilx has become from dubstep that 'gully brook lane' (which is just a HUGE track within the genre) won't place.

'forever' won't place either, though if any chris brown deserves to it's 'with you'.

worst thing about these lists is realising how tiny one's niche actually is...like, the consensus hip-hop, r&b and uk garage tracks losing out to crap like mgmt and deerhunter. the confirmation that most people are happy to dabble in those waters but always run back to pfork indie. hip-hop and r&b should not be fucking niche genres ffs.

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you are so hilarious

did dubstep ever fare well in ILM EOY polls?

ILX has never had much of a connection to dubstep, the first few dubstep threads on ILM are mostly people comparing it unfavourably to UK garage or more often grime. Or just going "dubstep is fucking boring" which I believe you did Lex at one point. It's a minority concern in any case.

the consensus hip-hop, r&b and uk garage tracks losing out to crap like mgmt and deerhunter. the confirmation that most people are happy to dabble in those waters but always run back to pfork indie. hip-hop and r&b should not be fucking niche genres ffs.

Pretty sure that the top five will be dominated by hip-hop if I'm honest, and THAT'S THE BIT THAT MATTERS. The very (screamingly obvious) point I'm trying to make is that these polls only ever highlight areas of OVERLAP between a whole wealth of disparate tastes and disparate lists. Whereas you're second guessing everyone's individual lists from the overall shape of the poll (where your input is the same as everyone else's).

The big problem with consensus polls has always been that the interesting bits of everyone's tastes disappear and coalesce round focal points. That said there are 10 or 11 hip-hop and rnb tracks in this list already (that's A FUCKING QUARTER OF THE LIST) so I don't really get what you're whingeing about.

(Incidentally that's not even getting into the issue of Consensus Indie existing, which excludes a lot of the indie I enjoyed this year)

(I mean, it could be worse, you could be a metal, folk or country fan and have no representation in the list at all, and all three are less of a niche concern than dubstep)

Matt DC bringing some hardcore truth here.

yeah there was actually a separate metal poll because it's seen as so niche and isolated

Jeezy gotta be on this list

"Calabria 2007" and Calabria 2008" are the same record.

aye. i nominated and voted for the '08 title because i didn't hear it til sometime this year. (one of those things i discovered on mun2, bless its heart.) and r.i.p. natasja.

ILX has never had much of a connection to dubstep

for all i know this may be true but it's still funny to me because i probably wouldn't even know the phrase 'dubstep' if not for this board. still don't know what it means, actually.

Think Jeezy will either get two in the top ten or nothing at all. I can't imagine Put On and My President both not placing. Really surprised he hasn't showed up already actually.

Maybe the vote's just been spread thinly between the four tracks nominated :(

I didn't want to split the Jeezy vote so I went for both Circulate and Put On. No My President though, I didn't have enough space for all three. Sorry Jeezy :(

yeah I think the top 10's gonna be flooded with the big summer hiphop jams (as it should be, fukk this Ting Tings bullshit)

for all i know this may be true but it's still funny to me because i probably wouldn't even know the phrase 'dubstep' if not for this board. still don't know what it means, actually.

it's urban music for animal collective fans

Maybe there'll be five Bon Iver tracks in there.

The top ten tracks will all be "Love Story" by Taylor Swift.

not to be a dick but it takes a special kind of white person to make a beat as inept as the one in 'ready for the floor.'

― call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 February 2009 20:52 (Yesterday)

totally fucking retarded post

― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, February 6, 2009 6:36 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

ummm yah sorry couldn't resist cheap jokes.

hey an argument about if theres more indie than rap on ilm

ummm yah sorry couldn't resist cheap jokes

i over-reacted. but really, the beat isn't that bad lol.

not to be a dick but it takes a special kind of white person to make a beat as inept as the one in 'ready for the floor.'

― call all destroyer, Thursday, 5 February 2009 20:52 (Yesterday)

ha i second this post

if 2 jeezy trax place, the 2nd will surely be 'circulate' rather than 'my president'

it was already seconded

yeah I think the top 10's gonna be flooded with the big summer hiphop jams (as it should be, fukk this Ting Tings bullshit)

― Conti Rice (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, February 6, 2009 10:06 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nah, i seriously doubt this. "American Boy" and "A Milli" definitely, maaaaybe "Put On" and/or "With You" and/or "Can't Believe It" or something left-field like Solange, but otherwise i don't see much big radio stuff on the nominations list that I think stands a chance of being in the top 10.

hey an argument about if theres more indie than rap on ilm

indie and rap bedwetters of the world, unite.

princes is gonna be top ten right?

now that is an inept beat (still like it)

http://www.garysturt.free-online.co.uk/baron.htm

^^^this thread

lol autism

I'm being serious!

The Baron-Cohen studies fascinated me as a teenager probably more than any other non-Zimbardo experiment. I think the Sally doll tests pretty much sum up this thread.

we lol at the last.fm thread, but at least they're interested in other people's opinions rather than distressed by their existence

Rolling last.fm thread 2009 no haters!

how can they keep this up for months and months?

― caek, Friday, February 6, 2009 3:19 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think this is what it is. People have contrived this entire worldview like the children in these tests, where evidence ceases to matter and they can only picture a world in which, for instance, dubstep is more popular than MGMT.

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Or, looking at it another way, they create two beings: "themselves" and "the other", but cannot identify or empathise with "the other".

i wonder exactly who you could be talking about

omigod you guys i'm going to start the top 10 in just a few minutes!!!!!1

I mean, taking this a step further, a lot of these concerns are thrown onto a lack of dubstep or r&b, two genres that it could be fair to say eschew emotional concerns in favour of more... concreteness? Does that tie into all this? The autistic mind has less "emotion centres" (Anaral, 2006). Does this tie in to a theory or am I just looking for patterns in roulette numbers?

*(Amaral, 2006), sorry.

Alternatively, Nisbett (1973) suggests these behaviours are common _across_ society: we view our own feelings and opinions through a much more complex glass than we do those of others.

http://www.garysturt.free-online.co.uk/nisbett.htm

How the hell is it fair to say that R&B eschews emotional concerns in favor of more concreteness?

You do realise it doesn't matter because it isn't actually a serious argument?

well, yeah

i for one look forward to dom's EMP proposal about why the lex is a tard

This is why I paused before writing that post, so let me clarify: I think in R&B, and I'm willing to take my lumps on this if so be, always places a barrier between the artist and the song, vis a vis: you admire the artist for their technical performance, and then you admire the song for its emotion. I'm especially thinking of the major players here, yr Careys, yr Beyonces, etc, it may be slightly different when we start moving from mainstream R&B down to neo-soul and the like, but a lot of R&B vocal performances always made me feel like hair metal guitar solos: powerful, impressive, but ultimately disconnected from the rest of the song. Put it this way: do you ever come away from an R&B track with that whole "man, they're really going through the wringer singing this"? I mean, even compared to a Kelly Clarkson or whoever.

xxxp

I know I may be saying "I don't find this emotionally affecting and therefore it isn't" and thus invalidating all my arguments upthread, but maybe not.

Christ you are inane.

haha