UYD is the Shakespeare of 2006
― President Keyes, Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
2006 4 Life, otm
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 24 January 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
the obvious stuff will probably attract the term "classic" in a decade or two: kanye west, pixar up until "brave", breaking bad... otoh a lot of my more favorite current bands, tv shows, and movies ( say, wes anderson, mad men, kendrick lamar) will, despite critical acclaim at the time of their release, eventually disappear under the sands of time. when i mention them, my grandchildren will roll their eyes and say "what the hell is a madmen grandpaw?"
― messiahwannabe, Friday, 25 January 2013 09:14 (eleven years ago) link
& yes, "gangham style" will drop to huge roars of approval at wxyc's annual "twothousand-teens" dance yearly from 2031-2040
― messiahwannabe, Friday, 25 January 2013 09:16 (eleven years ago) link
I still maintain that Tree of Life will be much more highly regarded once arrive at a properly post-ironic point in time.
Absolutely agree with Breaking Bad as long as it doesn't devolve into Benny Hill-esque farce in its final episodes. And also hardcore cosign 21st C. Lynch. I think a ton of the music made so far this century will be forgotten soon enough.
― (hcnuL dlO) * (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 January 2013 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
Tree of Life just missed out on a spot in Sight & Sound's 100 Greatest Movies Ever Made poll, so I think it's p highly regarded already, regardless of any irony defecit/surplus.
If academic study/critical scrutiny is any guide to classic status, then Haneke's Hidden is already well on its way to being regarded as a classic. Once Upon a Time in Anatolia, Werckmeister Harmonies, and La Quattro Volte are all in w/ a shout, too, imho.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 25 January 2013 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
Attempts at this sort of canon-building are usually doomed to failure but Pixar is an absolute no-brainer. The people who build canons tend to have golden eras in their heads for the novel, for cinema, for pop music, whatever, and those always seem to be in the past, but there must be an emerging consensus we've been living through a golden age of animation for several years now?
― Matt DC, Friday, 25 January 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
Kung fu hustle, dimitar berbatov
― standard disclaimer applies (darraghmac), Friday, 25 January 2013 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
The Shield
― Jeff, Friday, 25 January 2013 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
Pixar didn't exactly dominate the ILX poll for what that's worth.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 25 January 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
Scientists suggest that no-one has ever watched The Shield.
this is hard to figure out i think because what seems to distinguish all the stuff that's swept under the rug of history (like, say all those other novels released around the time Moby Dick was being ignored) is that they are produced according to conventions that no longer really have the power to compel fascination or meaning. they dont connect with anything anymore.
take Moby Dick, I'd argue that one of the reasons it's a "classic" is precisely because of the ways that it's just still really weird. and at the same time somehow it's set in terms that so many novels after it came to adopt--it's like a wealth of formal/aesthetic possibilities which still have potential or meaning for new works. ditto the weirdness/fascination of Dante, The Book of Job, Homer, Shakespeare (the list is long obv).
― ryan, Friday, 25 January 2013 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
Assayas' Summer Hours and Carlos sure look like classics to me.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 January 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
Catfish (2010)
― johnny crunch, Friday, 25 January 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
david lynch doesn't count and neither does malick they are already canon library of congress fodder. have been for centuries.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 January 2013 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know what was supposed to be so amazing about catfish.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 25 January 2013 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
Breaking Bad.
― i would never inflict the process of making a sandwich on myself (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 25 January 2013 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
Deadwood
― standard disclaimer applies (darraghmac), Friday, 25 January 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
The Shield is the Shakespeare of the 21st century.
― Jeff, Friday, 25 January 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
CYE is the new jane austen.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 January 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
Margaret
― ryan, Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:52 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Friday, 25 January 2013 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
― standard disclaimer applies (darraghmac), Friday, January 25, 2013 9:47 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 25 January 2013 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Bach was ignored for 200 years after he died etc
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 25 January 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link
but there must be an emerging consensus we've been living through a golden age of animation for several years now?
between pixar and miyazaki you'd think so
― Mordy, Friday, 25 January 2013 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
@dril
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 January 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
since there isn't going to be a 22nd century, the question is moot
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
im sure theres a thread for amateur scifi somewhere
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
Breaking Bad won't make it. There hasn't been any surprises since season 3, and it won't hold up on a revisit, once you know how they make it out of their latest problem. Mad Men and Rubicon will be seen as the great AMC-series.
― Frederik B, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
ya mad men is full of surprises
― iatee, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder if don draper is gonna cheat on his wife
Peep Show, Spaced, League of gentlemen and The Office are some of the finest comedies ever made
― paolo, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
Tree of Life just missed out on a spot in Sight & Sound's 100 Greatest Movies Ever Made poll
This is maybe an interesting place to start. Here are the 21st-century films in the S&S critics' top 250:
In the Mood for LoveMulholland DriveThe Tree of LifeTropical MaladyHidden (Cache)The Werckmeister HarmoniesThe Death of Mr. LazarescuThere Will Be BloodWALL-EUncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past LivesWest of the TracksRussian ArkSpirited AwayMelancholia
― jaymc, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
s&s 100 is a good place to start pooping on
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
some of those movies are p cool tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
is the wire better than the corrections? yes, yes it is.
I dunno, I couldn't get through The Wire but did get through The Corrections, though I probably spent as much time watching the Wire as I did reading The Corrections (maybe 7 hours?)
OH NO WAIT, I'm thinking of Freedom, not The Corrections. The Corrections was better than the Wire. I was going to say "But the Corrections didn't come out in the 21st century" but I looked it up, and no, it did. It seems like ages ago.
louis c.k. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current novelists i've heard of and never read
have you read sam lipsyte? he really goes deep in a way that louis ck tends to shy back from, and, unlike ck, he's funny
i have no opinion of deadwood vs george saunders, though, both have flaws but also virtuosic high points
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, the thick of it, obv
― standard disclaimer applies (darraghmac), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
lol the corrections is no classic and shouldnt be mentioned i the same breath as the wire, lipsyte and Saunders are cool but from what I've read neither of them have produced anything nearly classical, saunders worldview is p limited, lipsyte seems p trapped in the same bougie fear cycle as franzen et al tho obvs hes a much better writer
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
Some posts itt putting the chall in challops.
― (hcnuL dlO) * (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
lol stfu
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
Forbrydelsen!
It will in Denmark, at least...
― iatee, 25. januar 2013 17:09 (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
He hasn't done that for a looong time. But walther white still uses chemistry to get out of a tight spot every third episode.
― Frederik B, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
I was agreeing with you in part, lagoon. Corrections will sink like a stone in the ocean of time.
― (hcnuL dlO) * (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 January 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
hah sry
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
I'd second There Will Be Blood, which will look more definitive the further we get from fossil fuels.
― SongOfSam, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
mullholand dr is prob the most no brainier of anything itt
― lag∞n, Friday, 25 January 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
In the Mood for Love - need to seeMulholland Drive - yes!The Tree of Life - nahTropical Malady - need to seeHidden (Cache) - pfftThe Werckmeister Harmonies - need to seeThe Death of Mr. Lazarescu - need to seeThere Will Be Blood - hell yeah!WALL-E - Ratatouille, The Incredibles and Up are better, but okUncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives - need to seeWest of the Tracks - what's this?Russian Ark - need to seeSpirited Away - i guess...Melancholia - fuck no.
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Friday, 25 January 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
But walther white still uses chemistry to get out of a tight spot every third episode.
and when he ran over those drugs dealers and then proceeded to shoot one of them cold. Yeah I guess there is chemistry in those bullets.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 25 January 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
phantom menace 70-minute reviewmarvel vs. capcom 3
― abanana, Friday, 25 January 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
the trouble with judging the state of literature is that the stuff that gets hyped (Franzen) is already looking as stale as 20th century event novels like "Bonfire of the Vanities" and the better stuff probably didn't get reviewed in the NYT. With TV it's pretty easy to locate the good stuff.
― President Keyes, Friday, 25 January 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
franzen is just awful
― Mordy, Friday, 25 January 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
plot against america came out in 2004 - roth's last that i'd consider a classic
― Mordy, Friday, 25 January 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
A grand dont come for free
― standard disclaimer applies (darraghmac), Friday, 25 January 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
Just catching up, the ones I like are:
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
more important question: after the global warming holocaust, what will extraterrestrials want to watch when they retrieve our artifacts and take them back to their space museums?
― scott seward, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
girls gone wild
― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 January 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
that reminds me, im pretty confident about A.I. fitting the bill. (not to rehash that debate yet again...)
― ryan, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
Aliens might start with Planet Earth.
― jim, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
i'm more of a bicentennial man myself.
― scott seward, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
than an A.I. man.
same movie really.
― scott seward, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
Re: treating TV episodes as discrete works of art, I think it's totally valid but I seem to have more trouble with doing so myself the less an individual episode stands on its own as an independent work. Long-form narrative just sorta becomes a single, blurred single unit in my head, and there are moments that stand out but rarely single episodes. I personally tend to revere single episodes of, like, sitcoms and more procedural-y shows (like choice ST:TNG eps, or that first season Homicide ep with the araber). But I would by no means balk if someone with a brain capable of remembering single episodes were to champion a small piece of the larger pie.
― Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth! (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 January 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
This is probably because, since the advent of the season-long DVD box set, watching six straight episodes of a show has become my preferred method of watching TV by a country mile. Similar, I guess, to how I prefer to not just dip into a novel for an hour here and there.
― Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth! (Old Lunch), Monday, 28 January 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
i hope the aliens like party down. any one episode of that show is a treat. any single episode better than the hangover or a zillion other recent comedy movies too.
― scott seward, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
I often wonder if there is some distant planet that is home to some technologically superior aliens that have been watching us for years and they love our movies but think Drive Angry 2>>>>Citizen Kane.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
i'm glad that after much disgreement with scott seward itt the two of us can bro up over our love for party down
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
i still think about the sopranos all the time. one big difference between the sopranos and shows like breaking bad and sons of anarchy is that i think david chase hated the soprano family from the beginning.
― slam dunk, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
p sure that in the future major film studios will each only release one multibillion dollar budgeted film a year and that everything else will be on-demand or w/e for the various smaller screens, making the delineation between tv and movies really fuzzy/irrelevant, esp as things like commercial breaks get phased out.
― slam dunk, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
does danny mcbride hate kenny powers?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
killer ryan posts itt fwiw
― schlump, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
doubt it, especially given the way the character was softened/redeemed in the last season (xp)
― slam dunk, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
did they really do that? i disapprove! stricken from the halls of classics now!
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i wasn't happy about it either
― slam dunk, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
this is a good other thread to mention deus ex in
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
wolf hall trilogy is obvs a major masterpiece
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 08:47 (eleven years ago) link
Oasis 2006 compilation album 'stop the clocks'
― ...to work on his autobiography, "kiddyfiddling as rome burns" (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 08:59 (eleven years ago) link