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I sort of do. cf "Sharp as a tack".

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 January 2013 11:00 (eleven years ago) link

I basically only hear it used about women, and usually attractive women. I always detect a slight "you'll never guess, she's intelligent as well, I'm so proud of her!" in the term.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 January 2013 11:19 (eleven years ago) link

fit as a butcher's dog

owenf, Friday, 18 January 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

I've never read any gender association into either "whip-smart" or "sharp as a tack", though the term "whip-smart" now always makes me immediately think of Liz Phair.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 January 2013 14:29 (eleven years ago) link

likewise

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 January 2013 14:32 (eleven years ago) link

yup.

whose black line is it anyway? (how's life), Friday, 18 January 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link

i just thought "whip-smart" was a cliché rather than a specifically gendered cliché

lex pretend, Friday, 18 January 2013 15:10 (eleven years ago) link

pre-Liz Phair examples of the phrase "whip smart" from lexis nexis:

1. Comic relief saves July cable lineup
St. Petersburg Times (Florida), July 4, 1989, Tuesday, City Edition, FLORIDIAN; Cable;, 375 words, Thomas B. Harrison
... director Ron Shelton. Whip-smart and funny, with a solid ...


2. Critics recommend 'Jones' for fun-seekers
Orange County Register (California), May 26, 1989 Friday, 647 words
... In his third adventure, whip-smart archeologist Indiana Joneshas to ...


3. A BLESSING IN REPRISE // 'Eleemosynary' explores familiar women's themes
St. Petersburg Times (Florida), May 26, 1989, Friday, City Edition, WEEKEND; Pg. 24, 1133 words, THOMAS B. HARRISON
... fear of intimacy. Artie's whip-smart daughter, Echo (actually ...


4. CONNECTICUT OPINION; Thank You, Mark Twain
The New York Times, April 30, 1989, Sunday, Late City Final Edition, Section 12CN; Page 30, Column 3; Connecticut Weekly Desk, 667 words, By Ed McNamara; Ed McNamara lives in Stamford.
... infallible memory of some whip-smart computer in the publisher's ...


5. All this sex can mean just one thing: it's sweeps time
The San Diego Union-Tribune, February 4, 1989 Saturday, ENTERTAINMENT; Pg. B-13, 959 words, GREG JOSEPH
... Starletta DuPois); Lena's whip-smart daughter Beneatha (Kim ...


6. 'Silent Night': a quiet baring of souls
St. Petersburg Times (Florida), October 19, 1988, Wednesday, City Edition, FLORIDIAN; Theater Review; Pg. 1D, THOMAS B. HARRISON
... Peter Joseph, as Katherine's whip-smart son. Director Sanders (To ...


7. 'Fourth Protocol' is first choice on cable
St. Petersburg Times (Florida), July 2, 1988, Saturday, City Edition, FLORIDIAN; ON CABLE; Pg. 3D, THOMAS B. HARRISON
... efficiency expert (Tracy) and the whip-smart researcher (Hepburn) he woos and ...


8. Perretti's; Win, place or just show, N.J. spot is good grazing
Crain's New York Business, October 27, 1986, RESTAURANT REVIEW; Pg. 48, 622 words, By BOB LAPE, SPECIAL TO CRAINS' NEW YORK BUSINESS
... 22), and Oscar, a whip-smart young captain, filets the ...


9. Nino's Grill; Bruno's upstairs annex triumphs with light Italian
Crain's New York Business, October 20, 1986, RESTAURANT REVIEW; Pg. 28, 634 words, By BOB LAPE, SPECIAL TO CRAINS' NEW YORK BUSINESS
... at Nino's Grill is the whip-smart young Ted Anderson ( ...


10. WHEN EMPIRES COLLIDE: Fierce battle threatened when the Reichmanns' expansion drive bumped into the Bronfmans
The Financial Post (Toronto, Canada), October 4, 1986, Saturday,, 2186 words, Peter Foster
... Jack Cockwell, a whip-smart South African-born ...


11. Slow Going in 'Beverly Hills'
The Washington Post, December 7, 1984, Friday, Final Edition, Weekend; Weekend at the Movies; Pg. 39, 330 words, Rita Kempley
... puts Foley, a whip-smart, Motor City Dirty ...


12. Comedy With Class; The Creative Spark Behind CBS' 'Kate & Allie'
The Washington Post, March 19, 1984, Monday, Final Edition, Style; TV Preview; C1, 1168 words, By Tom Shales
... for a classy, whip-smart sitcom, and she brings her special ...


13. The managers; a gallery of notable and quotable newsmaking executives.
Dun's Business Month, January 1, 1984, Pg. p113(2), 1355 words
... more than $300,000, whip-smart Vanderslice--who holds ...


14. The Duke's Downfall
Newsweek, October 2, 1978, UNITED STATES EDITION, NATIONAL AFFAIRS; Pg. 50, 1040 words, DON HOLT with PHYLLIS MALAMUD in Boston and bureau reports
... Massachusetts defeated a whip-smart, attractive and moderately liberal ...

whose black line is it anyway? (how's life), Friday, 18 January 2013 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

any adjective applied to indiana jones has got to be a compliment

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 19 January 2013 02:14 (eleven years ago) link

even if it is a pun

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 19 January 2013 02:15 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Kind of wish I hadn't watched that interview with them. I mostly like their songs, but find their personalities pretty annoying.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 2 February 2013 16:53 (eleven years ago) link

OK so

http://stereogum.com/1258291/haim-falling/mp3s/

piscesx, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

Like it. (I also found them personally okay when watching a short documentary about them, so maybe they just get into some sort of annoying mode in some interviews.)

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago) link

they are super charming imo, wkiw

een, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link

DRUMS

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

Feeling like Bryan Ferry would admire the instrumental framework for Falling. Somehow the solo Bryan Ferry comparison is jumping out at me, when I'm sure there are much closer comparisons to be drawn. This is way too peppy for solo Bryan Ferry (post- like mid-70s). Maybe it's the use of real instruments to create a very polished, piece of pop with a bit of a dance beat.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago) link

Now we need to get Bryan Ferry interested in music.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

this band is so damn good

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 February 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

"Better Off" at around 2:56 and a little onward is reminding me of the climax of Kate Bush "Big Sky." The inevitable Kate Bush comparison ("they are female artists, they sound like Kate Bush")--but no, this is specific.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 04:20 (eleven years ago) link

On "Falling"- producer Ariel Rechtshaid hit the Bushism's more squarely in his work with Glasser.

Haim seems to pick producers that submerge their Fleetwood Mac-ish live sound, leaving middle sister/lead singer Danielle's rushed syllables as the main idiosyncratic element.

Is she the gregarious/domineering one in the interviews? I predict a solo career.

Sanpaku, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 05:29 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know about that. I do think their studio recordings would sound better if their core band sound were less submerged, though part of me is happy they want to go for a broader pop appeal and not stick to I'm not sure there's anything wrong with slick studio production and rougher edged, more rocking performances--a combination that I think has probably worked for other act. Whether it will work in this case, I don't know. Actually, I like the way the production works on Falling in particular. Whatever the song is in live performance, I think it works here as something pushing toward dance pop(again, a la some sort of Bryan Ferry solo sound, with an underpinning in traditional musicianship). I haven't really kept track of their producers (or probably producers in general!) and am unfamiliar with Rechtshaid.

I've been playing Forever and Don't Save Me a lot, probably overplaying them because they aren't holding up for me quite as well as I expected. On the other hand, Better Off has grown on me.

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link

love the video for 'falling'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIjVpRAXK18

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:32 (eleven years ago) link

x-post: I've been really sick of music videos in general, lately, and I do think this one is pretty good.

(Oh yeah, Falling is also the song that has some other vocals that remind me of recent Bush, but I don't think that has anything to do with production. Again, it's fairly subtle, I think, it doesn't sound remotely like a Kate Bush song or anything. I think it's kind of cool to hear late Kate Bush already possibly being a source for a younger artist's sound (since I don't really know where the resemblance is coming from.)

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link

"Falling" is so good.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:37 (eleven years ago) link

While I'm making comparisons, the main chorus on Send Me Down, sounds like it could be from a Solange song. (I think the song is just okay, though it has some nice moments I could eventually latch onto more.)

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link

I prefer this remix of Send Me Down over the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwkUDrVYlAY

MarkoP, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

I feel like HAIM has one trick but they do it really well

乒乓, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 03:14 (eleven years ago) link

really enjoying the 9 songs they have out (incl. one cover and two remixes)

goole, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 04:48 (eleven years ago) link

I feel like HAIM has one trick but they do it really well

What do you think that one trick is? I don't hear them that way and they seem like an odd band to single out for that sort of description.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmOEKvcASB4

MarkoP, Thursday, 28 March 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

oh shit i thought it was hame not hime.

goole, Thursday, 28 March 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

ok can't watch this right now but nardwuar caps for their nardwuar interview <3<3<3

cunnilingus ah um (The Reverend), Thursday, 28 March 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link

lol, so it's actually pronounced as in "if you go to tel aviv, you should meet my cousin, haim"

i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Thursday, 28 March 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

This is awesome, but also makes me think 13:36 is just about the right amount of time to hang around with them, lest you get worn out by sistery shenanigans.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 28 March 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago) link

psychemagik adds inspector norse style blissful squiggly bleeps to 'falling', to great effect imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07W2o0rTOss

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 2 April 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link

new fan on Twitter

Rihanna ‏@rihanna
What y'all think about HAIM?

piscesx, Thursday, 4 April 2013 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

ILX First Mentions:

Matt Armstrong wrote this on thread Rolling Teenpop 2007 Thread on board I Love Music on Jun 22, 2007

A few months ago, dabug rattled off a few forgotten (or soon to be forgotten) teenpop acts. That's how I discovered the insanity that is Gemz.

One of the other ones was The Valli Girls. And the Valli Girls confuse me.

I was only able to download 2 songs, a dull ballad off the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants movie (Always There In You) and a mindbending single- Don't Gotta.

Don't Gotta is amazing. It has an extremely lame chorus-- "Don't Gotta Have Sex, babe, if you want to be sexxxxy!"-- and the verses are a nonsensical melange of female empowerment, but the song is an assault of hooks. This song has it all: monstrous chord progression, huge bass, beautiful vocal harmonies and fills, a rap solo, a soaring guitar fill, and even a tire screech for good measure. I love it.

So then I visited their myspace page. It hasn't been updated in 7 months. The band is seemingly defunct, without ever putting out a record, but you can stream basically an entire album.

The descriptions of the band itself on the myspace, and their label's website, are unbelievable:

"Costa Rican native Houghton is the band's powerhouse vocalist. Guitarist Danielle Haim-who is endorsed by Gibson guitars-was schooled on Zeppelin, Hendrix, Clapton and "all three Kings-Albert, Freddie and of course, B.B." Danielle's sister, Este-the most outgoing and boy crazy member of the band-brings the slappin', in-your-face bass to the party. The classically-trained, Japanese-American, Ally Maki works her magic on the keyboard. Although she is the youngest member of the band, Lil' Nix plays seven instruments and brings slamming drum beats with a hip-hop attitude."

"Lil Nix can quote any Notorious B.I.G song VERBATUM (sic). Try her. She never disappoints. She also happens to be ridiculously punc tual (sic)! Jeez Nix! Raquel Houghton is our fearless lead singer who always brings the funk when we're jamming. Plus she has the best reflexes of anyone in the Valley. Not sure what that means but its gotta be good. Pura Vida. She also hails from Costa Rica. Sweet. Danielle Haim rocks out on her guitar and puts all the boys to shame with her mad shredding skills. It has been witnessed. Please do not attempt unless you would like the shredding of the skills up close. Don't mess with her, she knows Kung Fu. Ally Maki is our resident Chopin/Keytar player, who also has the most vast knowledge of the Chanel clothing line EVER! Not to mention she's pretty handy with a pair of scissors and a needle and thread. Ally really needs to be in the next installment of Charlie's Angels. Just a thought. Este Haim enjoys slapping things, among them is the bass. She also has a kick ass sense of humor and always keeps us laughing. And no....she's not crazy........ all in all, to us its all about having fun and playing our music! that's all for now folks!"

I mean, seriously. WHAT? Is this for real? Or is it all a Monkees-like act? The gorgeous lead singer with chops, the quirky bassist with a more rock voice, the cute asian keyboardist, the spunky rapper/drummer. It's all a little hard to believe. But... I want to believe.

Do they actually play the instruments on the records? Because, indeed, the drumming on the records IS awesome, and the bass is great too. And I mean, fuck, a KEYTAR?!?!!?

And the songs, the songs! Why didn't they ever release the record?

Born to Lead- Minimalist R&B with synth riff. Somehow related to a Cosmo Girl promotion

It's a hair thing- Fun Disney Channel rockpop with the INSANE lyric "Welcome to the Trollz World," and the awesome lyric "Conquer evil, then go shopping." Apparently from some Trollz related cartoon.

Don de esta Corazon- Latin ballad. Why not? Effective chorus, yet again.

Keys to the hummer- AWESOME lyrical hook in chorus. "don't want to be the fun for your summer, just give me the keys to your hummer" Novelty subject matter should have resulted in a hit, I think. Feisty, ultra-simple guitar fill that warms my heart.

Amazing- Maybe their high point. The chorus has a vocal run that is delicate, subtle and irresistible. But listening to this song, you'd think it was not from a band, but a solo pop singer. That's a striking thing about their songs-- each one is dramatically different.

Never Say Never- Enjoyable ripoff of Complicated. Like that song, has fun rhythmic adventures in the verses.

I would appreciate any and all further information about this unusual band that the board can provide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JD7-Mydtw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVLpMS74yig

how's life, Thursday, 11 April 2013 11:11 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JD7-Mydtw

how's life, Thursday, 11 April 2013 11:11 (eleven years ago) link

oh, I see that it was covered in the Nardwuar video. Still, lolling at the ghosts of Rolling Teenpop 2007.

how's life, Thursday, 11 April 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link

The track they do with Cudi on his new album ("Red Eye") is shamefully good.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

warming to this band a lot. I think I didn't really dig their presence in the videos much, but the songwriting and production is great. Comes from a similar place to Francis and the Lights -- highly emo, painstakingly crafted, 80s-tinged pop.

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:24 (eleven years ago) link

lol just realized I used almost exact same description upthread

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:25 (eleven years ago) link

oh and also that lindstrom/prins remix of forever is tight

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:26 (eleven years ago) link

They're coming to Merriweathr Post this summer, but opening for something called Of Monsters and Men.

how's life, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

hey!

ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 6 May 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

Of Monsters and Men

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny Fever, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

lol, starpulse was just the first thing that came up in google news search. I don't know why I didn't pick a better story to link.

how's life, Monday, 1 July 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link

here's a live clip from Glastonbury

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmes5nAOUa4

more here
https://www.youtube.com/user/fallingforhaim?feature=watch

piscesx, Monday, 1 July 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link


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