the story is rushed and a lil boring
― an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:40 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the manga is apparently ~2000 pages so
― (panda) (gun) (wrapped gift) (silby), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
need to see Akira myself.
― (panda) (gun) (wrapped gift) (silby)
Yeah, I've read it. It has way more scope and detail, and the big event at the climax of the movie occurs about halfway through. Highly recommended.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
I'd say it's the best manga I've ever read, but thinking about it it's the only one I've read all of the way through.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
i'm very familiar with akira as manga; i own about eighty percent of it! I like otomo but the plot is harried and the ideas are a bit cliche by now.
― an old penis drawing is now "new and notable" (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
the second half of the film Akira is a mess plotwise, have always meant to read the manga but never managed to get round to it (its always been hella expensive!)
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
The manga is great, especially with the freqeuent 70+ page climaxes. Extraordinarily different from the movie.
― Magic Miike (R Baez), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 02:06 (eleven years ago) link
Akira manga confounded me. Saw the film as a HSer for clarity sake.
― sunn o))) dude (Leee), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
toy scene in akira remains one of the scariest scenes of all time.
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 02:13 (eleven years ago) link
among the all time great soundtracks
This can't be emphasised enough.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 08:26 (eleven years ago) link
co-sign
― ledge, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 09:23 (eleven years ago) link
#6: Triplets of Belleville, Thedir. Sylvain Chomet2003, France374 points, 11 voteshttp://i.imgur.com/tQRfR.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/cfMZw.pngtrailer
― sunn o))) dude (Leee), Thursday, 17 January 2013 06:10 (eleven years ago) link
#5: Updir. Pete Docter, Bob Peterson2009, USA402 points, 13 voteshttp://i.imgur.com/nQ9Jh.jpgtrailer
― sunn o))) dude (Leee), Thursday, 17 January 2013 06:11 (eleven years ago) link
Love Up, but it ranking higher than either of the Brad Bird's is weird.
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Thursday, 17 January 2013 06:14 (eleven years ago) link
Agreed times a million.
― sunn o))) dude (Leee), Thursday, 17 January 2013 06:20 (eleven years ago) link
Belleville is idk, v impressive stylistically but I didn't really get on with the characters. Champion is just a cipher and the triplets are frankly terrifying.
― ledge, Thursday, 17 January 2013 09:12 (eleven years ago) link
Am more than happy with Up ranking above Ratatouille and The Incredibles.
― ledge, Thursday, 17 January 2013 09:21 (eleven years ago) link
Myself also, it just seems odd that any of them are ranking above either of the Toy Storys.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 17 January 2013 10:16 (eleven years ago) link
Tho this is sensible as a dictionary compared with what lurks in the remaining 4 - or Belleville above Akira for that matter!
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 17 January 2013 10:20 (eleven years ago) link
I didn't know Iron Giant was supposed to be good. I'll have to check it out.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 17 January 2013 10:48 (eleven years ago) link
Very pleased to see Triplets of Belleville so high. I've used that "vacuum cleaner" jam in techno and house DJ sets before, it's a real trip.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 17 January 2013 10:49 (eleven years ago) link
Up is clearly miles better than Ratatouille, and may be better than Incredibles, I can't decide on that one.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I find that Up has increasing returns with every viewing. I like ...Belleville, but can't quite square it being in the top 10 when The Illusionist was back at #90, I far prefer that film.
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:50 (eleven years ago) link
(oh, and great work on the poll and results thread, one for the ages this and full of treasures)
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:52 (eleven years ago) link
The Incredibles is very "watchy", but it's not that good.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 17 January 2013 11:56 (eleven years ago) link
hated UP so much when I watched it, can't believe it placed this high
― 乒乓, Thursday, 17 January 2013 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
Really want to watch Akira anew some day -- loved it as a teenager, when this whole anime thing was pretty new to me. This was in the mid-90s, in a small town in Norway, where this stuff wasn't really distributed, so this stuff was almost mythical to us -- occasionally someone would come back from Oslo bearing the gift of a tape or two of some Manga release. The highlights as I recall it were _Akira_ and _Ghost in the Shell_. Also watched _Fist of the North Star_ a bunch of times, but I didn't exactly like it. _Wings of Honneamise_ bored the hell out of me -- clearly it needed more exploding heads -- but I'm kinda curious to see it again now.
Come to think of it, I've hardly seen any of the Disney cartoons that didn't come out in my lifetime. Have some vague memories of having seen _Pinocchio_ at a birthday party and being REALLY disturbed by the donkey stuff. But I might just have read one of the childrens book adaptations of the movie. (Definitely didn't read the -original- book)
_Triplets of Belleville_ is a movie I'm kinda wondering if I disliked so much simply because of the enthusiasm with which it was recommended. I mostly remember finding the drawings really ugly. Oh, and the goddamn voodookaka bullshit songs.
Do we have a thread about early non-cartoon animations? I plan to spend some evening on Youtube and Archive.org watching shit like the 1912 The Cameraman’s Revenge. Figure I should put together a little playlist first.
Really enjoying the thread btw, though I didn't take any part in the voting. So far you've inspired me to order _Paprika_ and the first English omnibus of the Akira comics at the library; vaguely recall digging Katushiro Otomo's _Domu: A Child's Dream_ back in the days.
― Øystein, Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
I wasn't a huge fan of Belleville, but I loved that the dog was tricked into paddling across the Atlantic with a piece of caramel, and was still chewing on it when they arrived on shore in America.
― Zero Dark 33⅓: The Final Insult (Eric H.), Thursday, 17 January 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
Belleville really got to me as a tear-jerker; as I've said on ILX before, I lost my mother about a year before seeing it, and the tireless selfless love of the mother character just got to me. I also remember finding the dog really charming, and I don't have any general affection for dogs to support that. Fourth-best cartoon of all time, no, but I can see how it racked up a bunch of votes.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
I loved Belleville. Perhaps not the fourth best animation of all time, but hey, The Incredibles is DEFINITELY NOT top ten of all time, this isn't a definitive list, it's what ilxors who could be bothered to vote did in fact vote for.
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
Also, I caught Up on telly over Christmas, and I did actually get a little weepy at the start. Still hate that style of animation, though, and the rest of the film wasn't any great shakes (not terrible, though; I certainly didn't balk at the talking dogs or anything).
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
I liked Belleville well enough but I didn't find it half as moving as the Illusionist
― qbert yuiop (NickB), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
I haven't seen that, though, so I'm unlikely to be dock marks from a film I have seen and liked in favour of a film I haven't seen.
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
be
that would indeed be craqueurs
― qbert yuiop (NickB), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
will howl's moving castle place? i like it as much as spirited away.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 17 January 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
Are you serious, dog? Even without knowing the results, it's pretty clearly lesser Miyazaki.
Anyway...
― sunn o))) dude (Leee), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
#4: Duck Amuckdir. Chuck Jones1953, USA439 points, 11 voteshttp://i.imgur.com/K12Jl.jpgfilm
― sunn o))) dude (Leee), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
#3: What's Opera, Doc?dir. Chuck Jones1957, USA448 points, 14 voteshttp://i.imgur.com/pHS7H.jpgfilm higher res film (US-only?)
Triplets of Belleville is the first since #20 Coraline that I haven't seen and the first since #45 The Wizard of Speed and Time that I haven't even heard of. I guess I was living in some cultural black hole in 2003. And for every mention of it I should surely have come across since...
― Bill Goldberg Variations (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
Triplets of Belleville is great but not top 10 material imo. Duck Amuck & What's Opera, Doc? however i can get 100% behind. good job!
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
chuck jones did fantastically in this poll
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
It kind of disappeared (until the Illusionist came along), why is why some of us are a little surprised to see it that high.
v happy with the current two, really second guessing myself about the #2 slot (assuming Spirited Away takes #1)
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
All of Chuck Jones' (apart from 8-Ball Bunny) are written by Michael Maltese as well, though I confess I don't know the system well enough to know if he is a hyper-genius, or just the guy who got his name on the credits for the work of a team.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
Still kicking myself for not pushing harder to get Svankmajer's Faust accepted as a nomination, tbh. It's my favourite of his, and easily as animated as Who Framed Roger Rabbit, and by all rights should be making an appearance around now in a true and correct poll.
Really? It's much much better than Kiki, which placed. And I'd say it's way better than Totoro in pacing and story, though Totoro has the edge in CATBUS level characters.
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
Rewatching "What's Opera, Doc?" right now for the first time in, I dunno, a decade. Discovering all the dialogue is tattooed on my soul.
― Magic Miike (R Baez), Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not a huge fan of Chuck Jones (heresy, I know), but both of those are classics, and I'm kind of pleased that old-school comic animation has placed so high. I am disappointed that not much of the early/experimental/arty stuff has placed throughout the poll, though.
― emil.y, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
I think Totoro's unconventional pacing (and the effect this has on the story) is one of the things that its fans really love about it!
I would like to have a view on Howl more nuanced than "Go cry, emo kid", but to be honest that pretty much covers it.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
so Wall-E is going to be No. 1 then. Hmmmm
― Number None, Thursday, 17 January 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago) link