Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

W/r/t to Hoskyns' Waits book, I don't think its passive-aggressive, though it definitely suffers from a lack of input if not from Waits himself, but people in his band/circle. I mean the book is pretty glowing overall.

Sure, but when faced with conjecture without confirmation, it's a bit of a gamble to just stick with conjecture. I'm mostly shocked at how long the Waits book is given that no one cooperated.

Well, actually there's a ton of stuff from Bones Howe, musicians from the 70s records, old LA cronies, San Diego folk people, etc, mostly its just not a lot of currently associated people, no new stuff from Jarmusch, no Keith Richards, no Smokey Hormel (and actually in some of the emails in the appendix you get the sense that some of these folks wish they could talk to Hoskyns). Hoskyns does mine the interviews he did with Waits in the 85 and 99 pretty deep. You definitely get the sense Waits isn't involved, but I think Hoskyns does a good job of painting a picture overall. It just isn't as good as his Band book or "Waiting for the Sun".

Is it Bones who says he decided to talk because Waits was once basically like family but then he got totally cut off for no reason, with no warning?

Pretty much, Bones does they had a meeting before "Swordfish" where Waits's says he doesn't want to work together anymore and Bones agrees that he wouldn't be right person to produce a record like that, but yeah then they don't see each other again for 10 yrs. Most of the players from the 70s-era kind of have the same story.

When Jimmy Page met Lez Zeppelin

Has anyone seen Jeff Krulik's documentary "Led Zeppelin Played Here"? He interviews people who are convinced they saw Led Zeppelin play the Wheaton Youth Center in Maryland in 1969, a show that has no documentation and does not appear to have actually happened. Same guy who made Heavy Metal Parking Lot.

no! that sounds amazing tho

i want to see that!

I saw it. While it focusses on whether Led Zep did play in Wheaton, MD in 1969, it also covers the early days of the rock touring circuit before ticketmaster and corporate control. Folks talking about Iggy & the Stooges gigs at community centers, etc

It's showing in NYC tonight at 6 and tomorrow at 3 at Anthology Film Archives

://www.cbgb.com/films.php#!programmation=participant$led-zeppelin-played-here/1254

http://www.ledzeppelinplayedhere.com/led-zeppelin-played-here.html

Scott S should go to this screening
Nov 7
Cape Ann Film Festival

Cape Ann Community Cinema

Gloucester, MA

Plant finds old unreleased tapes with Jones vocals, wants to put them on upcoming deluxe reissues.

I put it in the Spotify thread, but thought I'd bump one other. I'm listening right now (two albums up at the moment).

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/12/business/media/spotify-said-to-secure-exclusive-deal-with-led-zeppelin.html?_r=0

Spotify is stupid, but Zeppelin is awesome, so I'd call it ... a wash? More excited about the reissue roll-out next year.

This show is so hair-raising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edPEBB6VjRQ

pretty much every bootleg I've heard from 68-70 is the motherlode. they tidied up and overdubbed 'we're gonna groove' for the version on CODA, iirc.

Is that the same footage that is on the 2003 DVD?

Hurting, can you give me a starting time for Moby Dick in that footage? I love LZ but don't want to listen to the whole 1:42:19 this morning.

yes, that's the 2003 DVD there...

'We're Gonna Groove' smokes

lol at Page in his tennis sneakers and sweater phase

I just don't see why these guys just get together and jam. Forget the touring, just get in the same room and play come blues with a couple of ringers and have T-Bone Burnette record it.

Led Zep need to make an official release of the early San Francisco recorded Bill Graham live shows.

Tbone Burnett no way man

00:27 We're Gonna Groove (James A. Bethea, Ben E. King)
03:40 I Can't Quit You Baby (Willie Dixon)
10:36 Dazed and Confused (Jimmy Page)
26:09 White Summer (Page)
38:32 What Is and What Should Never Be (Page, Robert Plant)
43:11 How Many More Times (John Bonham, John Paul Jones, Page)
1:03:28 Moby Dick (Bonham, Jones, Page)
1:18:49 Whole Lotta Love (Bonham, Dixon, Jones, Page, Plant)
1:25:13 Communication Breakdown (Bonham, Jones, Page)
1:29:29 C'mon Everybody (Jerry Capehart, Eddie Cochran)
1:32:00 Somethin' Else (Bob Cochran, Sharon Sheeley)
1:34:10 Bring It On Home (Bonham, Dixon, Jones, Page, Plant)

C'mon Everybody and Something Else are a lot of fun - never heard them do early rock n roll covers before

Robert Plant is kind of a dork with his whole announcing the members of the band schtick, but w/e

they're all dorks

monsters-of-rock dorks.

Expanded remasters! http://www.ledzeppelin.com/buy/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?_encoding=UTF8&field-artist=Led%20Zeppelin&search-alias=music

Damn, beat me to it!

Anyway, each one of the first three comes in it's own "SuperDeluxe" edition.

£92 each! And *that's* only because Amazon likes you...

Damn

At least they are offering all the actual music content as nonexclusive to the big boxes (2-disc CDs for about $20, as well as downloads and vinyl at other price points).

My only gripe is that, isn't the 'Complete Studio Recordings' box from 94 supposed to be, in Pagey's mind, as he was the one who mastered it, the best Zeppelin money could buy? I love Zep, but this spread of different offerings at different price points doesn't inspire confidence. Now only if there was a PONO edition ...

i want a LZ branded pono player with all this stuff pre-loaded.

clearly thats the only way to feel these new remasters.

xpost ! damn ...

You wouldn't believe the advances made in Page's ears over the last two decades.

What are these unreleased studio outtakes

then I will be very, very surprised

any news on what the bonus tracks are yet? I see there's a live show with Zep I (which is my favourite era for Zep bootlegs tbh)

If I had to guess, I'd guess the bonus tracks are mostly of the outtake variety - jams, snippets, alternate takes. At least, those are what circulate on the boot circuit. I'm not sure Zep left behind a lot of finished stuff or unreleased songs, if any.

jams
jorts
cargo shorts

A couple of months ago, Plant mentioned an unreleased song with Jones singing lead that might be part of these.

LZII bonus disc:

Whole Lotta Love [Rough Mix with Vocal]
What Is And What Should Never Be [Rough Mix with Vocal]
Thank You [Backing Track]
Heartbreaker [Rough Mix with Vocal]
Livin, Lovin Maid [Backing Track]
Ramble On [Rough Mix with Vocal]
Moby Dick [Drum Track]
La La Intro/Outro [Rough Mix]

Moby Dick [Drum Track]

*skip*

LZIII bonus disc:

The Immigrant Song
Friends
Celebration Day
Since I’ve Been Loving You
Bathroom Sound (instrumental Out On The Tiles)
Gallows Pole
That’s The Way
Jennings Farm Blues ("an instrumental forerunner of 'Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp'")
Keys To The Highway/Trouble In Mind

If all they could find was backing tracks or rough mixes, they should've instead used live material for the bonus discs.

And what the fuck with no "Hey Hey What Can I Do" on the LZIII set?

haha seriously

i guess the bootleggers already licked the bowl clean

Doesn't mean those things can't still be released. Most of the bonus stuff on the 90s/00s Who reissues had been bootlegged for years.

The Stan Ricker remixes on that mother ship thing were a lot better hope he did these

the olympia show was rebroadcast in dec 2007. super classic, jazzed to see it out. that said the ii and iii bonus tracks look super boring. there are dozens of zep soundboard tapes and who cares if they're already circulating- live zep from this era def. trumps karaoke studio outtakes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14GYov0EdyQ