funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

mr mathz' other tune is more classicist and is also extremely good. bit like the 'leader/what goes around' balance - would it be fair to say him and fuzzy logik are the the few who are internalizing funky's divergences rather than just doing their own thing? on a track to track basis, at least.

Has anyone been recording the last couple weeks?

I've yet to get the 1xtra player to work for me, reading these tracklists and not being able to listen in is getting frustrating.

i would love some kind of vocal element on 'Mr Bean' - doesn't have to be much

what about the 'oh na na na' vocal version by orthodox on the b-side of the mr bean 12"? i don't think i've seen anyone mention it. i like it, but i don't know much about recent dancehall so my standards could be low.

"mr mathz' other tune is more classicist and is also extremely good. bit like the 'leader/what goes around' balance - would it be fair to say him and fuzzy logik are the the few who are internalizing funky's divergences rather than just doing their own thing? on a track to track basis, at least."

Yeah I think this is right - probably Malice too.

I don't exactly have reservations about "wine bar" as a descriptor - although I've primarily seen it used on dissensus so I always initially hear it with an implied dissensian sneer. I'm just trying to visualise precisely what it refers to in my head. I don't think it works this way in Australia really - a "wine bar" here would more likely play something with a stronger veneer of respectability than "funky house" (in the conventional sense of the term) - perhaps Buddha Bar, or if they were going more uptempo they might plump for breakbeat. If I wanted funky house i'd go to either a big commercial club (like the ones in our city's casino complex) or to a hairdressing salon. In fact "hairdresser house" (as opposed to "haircut house") is a term I've used before to describe that kind of sound.

Notting Hill Arts Club isn't "Wine Bar" it's "organic shoes".

posh organic shoes and overly sweet cocktails

wine bar makes me think more of sosho

dunno if people have seen but on his myspace Producer Mario has put up four of his best tracks for free d/l :)

"i can never decide whether vocals would be the icing on top of 'unfinished business' and 'mr bean', or would be a bad idea."

There is a vocal... Apple - Da Real Dutty Dance

The Guardian talks about you lot/funky house:

"Keen readers of music blogs and message boards that discuss the "hardcore continuum" in-depth and reference Foucault when talking about the latest song by Tempa T or some other incidental grime MC will know all about the "funky" scene currently engulfing the underground clubs and pirate radio stations of London. Those of you who have got real life friends and a social life probably won't."

Is the "Apple = Jon E Cash making house" argument run in this article and on Blissblog (presumably the former ripped it from the latter) on point? It doesn't seem quite right to me, but I can't put my finger on why.

Mind you Simon R extended it to Roska which just seems obviously wrong.

The guy that wrote that Guardian piece is also Prancehall btw.

i think Jon E Cash's name is just being used as shorthand for 8-bar. the main points of comparison i think are the abstract use of texture, heavy bass and blocky approach to rhythm / tracks, but these are hardly rare tendencies in grime!

my issue is that this kind of analysis (x is like y times z / x is like y if it tried to be z) is a ridiculously simplistic way of communicating what makes music feel a certain way, its an issue i often have with music writing... too often reductive posing as complete analysis (with value judgement attached), it cannot do justice to emotional or visceral response. its escape from this tendency is one of the reasons i love a lot of Simon Reynolds old writing so much!

to clarify, thats not an argument against writing about music, by any means, just against a very specific but prevalent tendency within it

on reflection over lunch the sentence about doing justice to emotional or visceral response doesn't really have a place there...

http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/f472518e3072d2a49c7ea620de3f7307be12ad5.gif

diseensus poster posts link to 4yr old diseensiest ilx thread ever feat. disssensus mainstays. it's a par.

^ dyslexus.

any new sets about that arent footloose/rinse fm crew btw?

i think i missed something...

lol, I never clicked the link in the Guardian article. I thought it was this thread being linked!

not sure i've been to sosho - pics look comparable to the upstairs bit of east village i guess? perhaps i meant those kinds of places too.

Ha ha some inadvertent astrology in that thread though. From yours truly:

Alternative: an R&B/garage/broken beat/house fusion a la Mis-Teeq's "Eye Candy" (the actual track) which strikes me as being simultaneously one of the most brazenly physical, most feminine, and most startlingly new-sounding things I heard of in '02. Although I never *did* find out who produced it (it was bizarrely and shamefully left off the Oz version of the album).

-- Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, January 24, 2004 7:37 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

dyslexus nexus

for yr reference:

Mis-Teeq - Eye Candy.mp3

This has been my entry point, and now I'm a little obsessed:

http://djcable.blogspot.com/2008/08/dj-cables-weekly-mix-30.html

Have tried some of the Marcus Nasty mixes (at least when Sendspace co-operates) but can't cope with his MC - is he on all of them?

He cycles through different MCs Mike - Rankin', Shantie, Quincy etc. - but uses an MC on all of them except (if I recall) the 1xtra mix, which may still be available for download upthread.

Yay, still available; I Googled 1xtra marcus nasty and was rewarded with a Megaupload.

Shantie is the most um interventionist of the MCs Marcus uses. Rankin and Quincy limit themselves to commentary and the occasional short chant.

so the ukfunky.com mp3 shop is in full swing now, including 320 kbps versions of malice's 'gabryelle' refix and 'speechless' by dj mystery. i tried my luck last night and the transaction was smooth. hope they keep building up the catalogue and getting more labels on board.

http://ukfunky.com/ukfunkydotcom_004.htm

oh and, from the marcus nasty v mac10 set on rinse the other night...

why don't you take your broom, and sweep my yard, you better brush it good......

oh. my. days!! such a tune. no idea who it is. and mac10 says "this one's one away... you won't get this like this!"

such a monster set.

Paul that's probably "Work!" by Masters At Work, from 2002 I think. It's very much UK funky avant le lettre, and gets a lot of caning by funky DJs. Massive tune.

thanks tim. there's my lack of house pedigree showing.

here's the marcus/mac10 for anyone who can't get it from the rinse site: http://www.divshare.com/download/5327266-32a

so the ukfunky.com mp3 shop is in full swing now

:D

i went to my first funky rave at the weekend btw. it was really super-awesome. everyone totally glammed up and really good vibes. bit school disco-ey at the start, everyone sort of...camped out around the edges of the dancefloor warily eyeing each other up, but it soon got packed. everyone went nuts for 'who's afraid of detroit' and 'my joy' but the moment when the dj dropped 'in the air' was OMG.

where did you go lex?

the circle events one at purple e3...

cool, thanks, i keep meaning to get to one so im keen for recommendations. what is the club itself like? sorry for all the boring questions!

remember those purple e3 ads on rinse where mc supplier would shout for about 5 minutes straight?

"DRESS CODE IS SMART AND SEXYYY! NO RIPPED JEANS OR SPORTS WEAR! SMART TRAINERS ARE OHH-KAAY!

actually i'm curious about purple too since i might be over there in a few months.

haha yeah the dress code in the email i got went on for a paragraph. no timberlands! no bapes! &c. club was nice, classy and glam (and clean! nice leather sofas to sit on) but not really flashy. everyone seemed to be drinking champagne. it's a monthly night i think, definitely recommend it. u need id though!

these are the dudes who put the night on, from what i gather they've been putting on house nights for years.

ok cool, thanks! i have thus far been quite averse to the Circle cos of their overt conservatism regarding the newer styles and producers, but it'd probably be a great night out anyway :)

"SMART TRAINERS ARE OHH-KAAY!"

lol

Siegbran's post on here is just flat-out classic insular bubble-bursting

i wish this stuff wasnt so pricey on 12".

anyone keeping up with funky? should be moving into peak season for great UKG releases or more likely advance radioplay, but there's still a problem with Footloose archives, affecting (select?) overseas listeners only? - I re-test it weekly (RA link doesn't work either). Tim, is the Footloose archive working for you? if so, may be a U.S.-only thing... (yet Cameo archive works fine)

themco to the rescue? any new sets from Aug onwards?

There's at least one new 2-hour Crazy Cousinz Rinse FM show, which they've put on Sendspace and linked from their MySpace blog. (I'd link directly, but MySpace is blocked from here.) It's good, as long as you can cope with the DJ chatter - which mainly consists of saying "Crazy Cousinz" a dozen times a minute for two hours....

yah i think the footloose archives might not be working cuz yr overseas, i'm in london and can access them.

u know what sounds totally funky house-y is 'get down get horny'
grrrr8 song btw

Love the Marcus Nasty/Mac 10 mix on Rinse FM from a few weeks ago, though I wish the sound quality on the Rinse FM podcasts was better.

Esp. love the grimy section after the remix of "Work", esp. that mash of ravey/insane tracks around the thirty minute mark. Totally WTF material. I think they're Little Silver and Malice tunes mostly, based on the shout-outs.

Also that new Donaeo track at the 70 minute mark, he really is becoming the Lenky of funky. And how about that bizarre one at 85 with the technoid synth riffs, I'm not even sure how I'd describe it .

yeh i finally got the chance to hear the Marcus Nasty b2b Mak10 set in full, some of it is so next level. but maybe even more importantly for me the whole thing is balanced so well, really finely between the madness and rawness of grime invading and the sensuality of house. they even dropped Aaron Carl! at about +8! was feeling that

there is this point where (i think) Mak 10 drops a DOK tune into the mix with a vocal house bit, chopping it up, twisting the eqs and filters all over, it is just completely ridiculous

rinse fm have started a new regular (monthly?) funky night called beyond - went to the first last week, it was ok! great in places but not as glam or fun as the circle one, a bit too boys-standing-round-in-hoodies at the start, and 'in the air' was dropped like 3 times in an hour, but it got going pretty well and there's lots of potential there.

i tried to listen to the marcus nasty podcast but the bitrate is just too horrible. wtf is the point w/out bass.