Jimmy Saville is still alive...

I suppose the timing of this arrest was rather forced by the scheduled Celebrity Big Brother appearance, although it would have been some awesome next level reality shit if Davidson had been nicked for noncing live on air.

i don't think we want to see live noncing

yeah I can live without that tbh

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guh

seeing some on the buses the other day was a reminder that if you were famous in the 70s and you weren't rogering precocious 14-year-old girls then you were probably considered a bit of a spoilsport.

rogering

rogering some pert little fillies

roger that

anyone actually found guilty of anything yet? /spoilsport

Broadcaster Stuart Hall denies sexual assault charges

We all knew it was bad but...

Shit hits fan, mostly live
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20983527

Commander Peter Spindler of the Met police: Savile "groomed the nation".

White haired lunatic in child abuse claims - German edition

Herzog should have taken those indians up on their offer to kill Kinski.

From what i recall, even the heavily edited version of Ich Brauche Liebe had some pretty O_O stuff about children.

i seem to remember a dodgy scene involving Natassja somewhere along the line

... talking of dodgy scenes

Dear BBC

Who exactly was being upset by this caricature?

Kids? They wouldn't even have recognised him when it was originally broadcast.

Adults? Probably.

Would they be even more upsetted by seeing this on all the news programmes? Or is that all right then? And yet the children who weren't awake at before 09:00 on Sunday could quite possibly be awake for the news programmes.

Etc.

probably don't want to be unnecessarily portraying him as an amusing kids presenter now. don't think anybody was especially scandalised, just bookmarking it for the Stalinist video purge

BBC needs to hit back whenever News International report on things like this, because it's blatant trolling/fake 'casebuilding'.

Shorter response: nice tits, The Sun.

i guess the Beeb is like the monarch in these situations, it's pretty much never a good look to respond

There are moments when just putting your hands up and going "we made a dumb mistake, sorry" is the best course of action and this is one of them.

interesting tho the way kids tv writers put these kinds of ideas into the shows as jokes for the parents (also funny that if Theroux hadn't done his show on otherwise-forgotten-about Savile in 2000 he probably wouldn't have been a joke for people to bother referencing much at the time).

There is absolutely no sense in which Jimmy Saville would be or was otherwise forgotten about.

yeah, Theroux's show was great, but it had very little effect on Saville's stature at the time...

It's weird that Jimmy Savile seemed to have been perceived by everyone around him as being so powerful and popular. I don't remember anyone liking him when I was a kid. We all watched Jim'll Fix It and Top of the Pops but he was just an annoying weird man talking shite in between the good bits.

There is absolutely no sense in which Jimmy Saville would be or was otherwise forgotten about.

There is a sense in that I don't remember him having been on TV much at all for quite a few years prior to the Theroux doc - do correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe the subsequent effect of that show made Savile's profile throughout the 90s seem slighter than it really was (was even Hugh Dennis was on TV much in the late 90s to be leading the regular impressions of him? that feels like a more recent (ie post-Theroux) revival).

Well yeah, his flagship Jim'll Fix It ran 75-96, but it would not have been wise to bet on a random collection of people greeting a Saville impersonation with blinking unrecognition. Which obviously is partly his work - he was first and foremost a cartoon, and happiest that way.

There was a repeat of an old "Have I got news for you", it was pre-olympics as they were discussing the opening ceremony to come. At which point Jo Brand said something along the lines of ".. and just to scare the kiddies, we've dug Jimmy Savile up as well" ...

i guarantee that if anyone realised that re-run had a cod-savile in it there is no way it would have aired. but you can have a "stalinesque rewriting of history" or you can have a few embarrassing moments, you can't have both.

absolutely, i'm all for the odd embarrassing moment personally, depending on context.

Are they melting down his waxwork, or are they moving it into the chamber of horrors next to Hanratty, etc?

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Up The Arse corner.

A dead eyed soulless mannequin... and his waxwork dummy.

Just Do It!

Policeman: "Now Mr. Savile, show us where on the dummy you wanted people to touch you."
Savile: "Aahahahaaaaahahahahaah. How's about there then?"

Stuart Hall charged.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21154999

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21520060

An ex-policeman is being investigated over claims he "acted on behalf" of Jimmy Savile before he was interviewed about sexual assault allegations.

The former police inspector has been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) by West Yorkshire Police.

The officer allegedly contacted Surrey Police ahead of the late TV presenter being interviewed in 2009.

can't believe Kevin Webster never made it into this thread

explains why he shaved off the tache tho

He probably never made it in the thread because the case is 18 months old and was dropped at the time by the CPS because of lack of evidence. Post-Savile, the DPP have decided that there maybe was enough evidence after all.

RT @JoshHalliday: George Entwistle crowned himself "Gold Commander" and Roger Mosey "Incident Commander" in #Savile crisis-management setup

entwistle just looked like an imbecile

roger that, Gold Leader

In a previous incarnation I got taken through their incident management set-up, which is as batshit and militaristic as it sounds. tbf, GE didn't 'crown' himself Gold Commander, this was the infrastructure. The structure seemed to me to have several misconceptions built into it:

1. A sort of cargo-cult attitude - if we take on military structures that will allow us automatically to respond 'better' to crises. When this was set up they actually got military advisors in to talk them through how it worked iirc. Of course there are a couple of fundamental errors here - that your response isn't always based upon the combined celerity, accuracy, experience and decisiveness of the people making the decisions, and the skill of the people who carry out those decisions. Further more, as will be obvious to anyone who has any inkling of the military, it's not for nothing that acronyms like SNAFU and FUBAR found their environmental niche or were born in times of war amongst soldiers, so consistent is the mixture of chaos, fuck up and confusion. This leads to...

2. The only way the BBC could possibly be bedazzled by such a honking sack of idealised shit as this cockamamie wargames crap is because their own structures were and are so inimical to the actual execution of anything that even Paul Ince's <----- SHOOT looks like genius gordian knot cutting in comparison. The workflow is Stygian. The combination of BBC's origination in civil service style structures, and later innovations upon a them, most famously Birtwhistle's deranged spreadsheet cost-benefit culture produce an organisation where processes are not designed to deliver anything but themselves. It is the case that processes have a curious non-sentient self-preservation inherent to them. Frequently, where they don't work properly because they are not suited to the 'bound variable of reality', they require extra amounts of tweaking or further inadequate processes, which requires further management. Decision making can be best represented by the nightmarish receding of the end of the corridor in a dream where you are being chased. It goes something like this.

Someone somewhere thinks something is a good idea - usually EFFICIENCY ----> a very, very large group of stakeholders are brought in (large because it's the BBC, and EVERYONE has an interest), usually with highly paid external consultants from KPMG and the like ----> an analysis is done comparing current processes to the cost-benefit to be had from the idea (increasingly diffused - 'idea' is meaningless by this stage) ---> many many more meetings will be had with increasing numbers of stakeholders each of whom is consulted, and naturally each of whom has a different set of concerns and interests ----> in the interest of politics and 'internal consultative decision making' each of those concerns is addressed by making adjustments to the original concept so that it becomes both unrecognisable from the original idea (good or bad) and one of two things happens - the idea is decided to be a bad idea all round and ditched (good tho a massive waste of time and money), or it's taken up, only it's even more inefficient than the processes that were previously in place, and requires extra management from each of the stakeholders etc.

Gradually you have a procedural behemoth that is incapable of procedure.

To simplify, I compared the process-style recently to a friend:

"It’s like they ran an apple orchard, and are looking to move into oranges groves, but their stats only produce questions like ‘But where are we getting the apples from?’, ‘Hang on, how do we get apple trees to produce oranges?’, ‘We have a problem – we need to get rid of 30 apple pickers, but then we need to recruit 29 orange pickers and although that's an efficiency it'll cost more – I think we should stick with apple pickers,’, ‘That means we need to stick with apples’... then ‘why is no one buying our oranges, whose dreadful idea was this?’

*apples rot on boughs*

As you say, the fogginess around time, money and resourcing is absolutely staggering."

The BBC has become p much a tiny core of outsourcing/contracting, and it's a remarkably inefficient outsourcer, with all the worst excesses of civil service bureaucracy and compliance (often with the best of intentions), and the worst parts of free-market competitiveness. It's utterly grotesque, and frankly, given the quality of most of its output totally disproportionate to the final result, which is frequently total shit.

All this produces the insanity of Delivering Quality First, the most naked asset sell-off and cuts agenda it's possible to imagine.

I grew up with the BBC still having a crypto-authoritarian moral cache, but if that ever meant anything, it's total baloney now. I loathe Murdoch and Sky, and the heavily politicised anti-BBC environment that has brought these circumstances about, but find it almost impossible to defend on its own current terms.

oh the other important thing that stems from this vast Heath-Robinson inadequacy is a lack of individual accountability - where the decision-making is delivered not by department but by politburo committee, the notion of responsibility gets diffused. ideal for managers innit.

Good posts.

God, this cover

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