Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

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is that "war pigs" the "walpurgis" version with the satan/witch themed lyrics? i love that.

REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 21 September 2008 10:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah that's what it is, dude.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 21 September 2008 17:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Moka, Tuesday, 23 December 2008 22:10 (5 years ago) Permalink


Just... No. Ugh.

novaheat, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 01:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

<3 cindy und bert <3

cuisine of demise (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Dehumanize is good too people.

III IV V (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

heaven & hell did a dehumanizer song that was pretty good. i only knew it was dehumanizer because they put the cover to that album up on the big video screen

d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Probably Computer God. Maybe TV Crimes.

Bill Magill, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

Back in 2007 Heaven and Hell played "After All (The Dead)", "Computer God", and "I"...the latter of which sounded really great. That song's held up very well.

A. Begrand, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

I is definitely great. I don't know if they played Computer God at the Radio City show I was at.

Bill Magill, Monday, 6 April 2009 21:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

You've got to be kidding me.

Advantage: Iommi.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

The reaction on dffd and probably all the other boards was "Sharon Is A Cunt"

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

that should infact be a poll

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

poll w/ one option

鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

im sure theres x-factor viewers on ILX who like her. but someone do it to find out!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

You're it Herm, i have no idea how to do it.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

you click on where it says new poll

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Instead of that, I'll just say that the vocals have always been the least important of the idea and ethos of what is "Black Sabbath". In Sabbath, it's:

mountain-moving guitar riffs and sound > thunderous but suprisingly agile rythym section >>>>>>>>> whoever the fuck is singing the lyrics the bassist wrote. Sorry Ozzy, but you now officially suck.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

If as Ozzy alleges Iommi's trying to claim "ownership" of the Sabbath name, why would he be recording and touring as Heaven and Hell?

Plunge Protection Team, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Iommi bought the name from the others in the '90s, plus he copyrighted it in 2000. Game, set, match. Just cuz he's touring with another name doesnt mean shit, if you're implying he waived his rights.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

Deciblog has a good take:

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

from that
Posted 6/2/2009 2:13 PM by Senile Animal

Sharon Osbourne = Cunt!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

holy shit, that statement by Ozzy. The brand was "literally in the toilet". Is this Kiss, who probably did sell toilets with the Kiss insignia, or Black Sabbath?

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Somebody please shoot the man. Put him out of his misery.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

Well, actually...

You want reality? Noticeably absent from the show's frequent mocking of Ozzy is any discussion of his bladder problems, which have long been legend in the rock world. The reason Oz continually dumps buckets of water on himself through his concerts is to mask the fact that he's peeing in his pants, according to some who are in the unenviable position to know. A friend of mine who once visited the Osbourne manse reports that Ozzy has a "special bathroom" whose walls are lined with rubber because his aim is so bad. Somehow, MTV's cameras have avoided showing us all that.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink


pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 18:40 (5 years ago) Permalink


i'm too hardcore to be bourgeois (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 01:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

As someone who, often as not, can't make it through a feature-length movie without running off to take a whiz at least once, I guess I admire Ozzy's dedication to holding the stage for an entire 2-3 hour show. There's a new TV ad out in which Ozzy pitches some manner of cell phone / mobile device / whatever the fuck you kids call it now in which he uses GPS to navigate his way to the w.c. in his own house which I will never look at the same again as a result.

Handsome Dan, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 07:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

how classic is black sabbath?

i was driving to a gig on the far side of bali with a car full of teenage punk rock roadies, mostly between the ages of 16 and 18. punk rock kids, mind you, not metlaheads (punks not dead in bali) anyway i didn't want to bore them with dance music or hip hop so i threw on "best of black sabbath" hoping they'd dig it... and those fuckers knew every note of the album. not just the guitar solo in paranoid, i mean they were air drumming the fills on snowblind, singing along with symptom of the universe etc. i doubt they'd ever seen the osbournes either. black sabbath is not just classic in america and england but all the way to the far flung reaches of the globe (if not the universe) i mean the group broke up a decade before these kids were even born ffs!

thats how classic black sabbath is.

messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 10:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

╓abies, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 12:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

am0n, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 18:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Love that clip

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 18:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

Always cool to see the moustache-less Iommi

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

he reminds me of greg ginn there. love the shot of geezer going nuts in his flares

am0n, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

Geezer rules

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 19:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

I was woken up this morning by the strains of Black Sabbath s/t coming from my house mate's bedroom. Pretty pleasant alarm really.

When I saw them live in '99, I cried. Stoked to see Heaven & Hell with Neurosis supporting in August.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 8 July 2009 20:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

they're back! hurray?
After band members (most prominently Ozzy Osbourne) dropped hints of a possible reunion for at least a year, Tony Iommi confirmed that the original lineup of Black Sabbath has gotten back together and is planning an album and tour. Sabbath was last in the studio back in 2001, when work on a Rick Rubin-produced record stalled after Osbourne went to finish work on a solo album. In recent years, Iommi and Osbourne have battled over ownership of the Black Sabbath name, but that case was settled (with undisclosed terms) in 2010. "We're really looking forward to it and I think the stuff we’ve been writing is really good," Iommi said in an interview. "It's all been very hush-hush. Ozzy's been the worst at trying to hold it back. He's doing a lot of TV and he's being asked stuff about a reunion and he's going 'well I never say never'. He told me, 'I don't know what to say'."

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

has any of those rubin session leaked?

are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

all i could dig up was this:

"scary dreams" from ozzfest 2001, supposed to be a part of those rubin sessions

are you ready for a thing called prog? (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

how many lawyers will it take for this to happen?!

tylerw, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 15:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I couldn't believe all the metal sites & blogs assuming all these rumours were fact these last 18 hours or so.

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it seems like fact checking went right out the window with this one but, otoh, its not too difficult to understand why some might choose to run with it given that it supposedly came directly from Iommi's own words.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:59 (3 years ago) Permalink


You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 00:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

As I say, nobody's giving a definite no, just that one 'reporter' seems to have taken liberties with a 'private' 'conversation' or some such.

Mark G, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 09:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Looks like this is definitely on:

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 20:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

Judging by this twitpic on their official Twitter, they are playing the Whiskey today?

Or what?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 11 November 2011 17:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

On those first four Danzig albums, he's producer on the first few, "executive producer" on the fourth one. Either way, he tends to use great studios and obviously hires some excellent engineers. But yeah, Reign in Blood was a long time ago.

I hope he can help Sabbath not sound overproduced. The Heaven & Hell record was perfect. I don't believe this will be nearly as good as that was.

Nate Carson, Sunday, 13 January 2013 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

gonna need a lot of smoothing for Ozzy's vocals, and pitch correction.....Dio was still singing pretty incredibly on that H&H studio album, but yeah the production on that was perfect for what they were doing.

NINO CARTER, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Rubin produced the third Slipknot album, and their singer, Corey Taylor, said this about that in 2011:

"There are some people who would love for me to toe the party line, which is basically, 'Working with Rick Rubin was a very enriching experience.' Let me give you the fucking truth of it: Rick Rubin showed up for 45 minutes a week. Rick Rubin would then, during that 45 minutes, lay on a couch and have a mic brought in next to his face so he wouldn't have to move...The Rick Rubin of today is a thin, thin, thin shadow of the Rick Rubin that he was. He is overrated, he is overpaid, and I will never work with him again as long as I fucking live."

― 誤訳侮辱, Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:41 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is kinda awesome tbh

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not if you're in the band, I would imagine.

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah stories like that are great if you hate the musicians who had to watch their session go to shit I guess

too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 January 2013 01:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Rick Rubin has been coasting on his Rubin-aura for a long-assed time. Half the people I hear that talk about how incredible he is usually have no recent examples when asked for reasons why.

(I did not like Death Magnetic, fwiw...)

NINO CARTER, Monday, 14 January 2013 01:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

New album news with Rubin producing does not surprise me. Someone liking Death Crapnetic does, though.

calstars, Monday, 14 January 2013 02:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not really a true successor to Never Say Die without Ward. Bill's been treated like shit

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Instead of a fraud like rubin, they should just see if the guy who set the dials on Master of Reality is still alive and coherent. That's all they need.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

If you really need a "vibe merchant" you should be playing golf and not wasting your time. I got a good name for a vibe merchant: Bill fucking Ward

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

I got a good name for a vibe merchant: Bill fucking Ward

*massive stadium-sized applause*

sleeve, Monday, 14 January 2013 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink


some dude, Monday, 14 January 2013 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

you have to give them credit for finding a drummer with the same number of letters in his name as Bill, anyway

too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 14 January 2013 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I hope the songs sound nothing like "Psycho Man"

NINO CARTER, Monday, 14 January 2013 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nude album nudes.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:34 PM (Yesterday

Ned, it's January and you haven't revived the "Symptom Of The Universe" thread yet! OR LAST YEAR, EITHER!!

Faster than food (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 14 January 2013 14:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

The chopped and screwed mixes that NEEDED to happen!

Neil S, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 10:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Was Iommi conscious that he was using the Dorian mode or did it just evolve naturally?

calstars, Friday, 16 May 2014 20:53 (7 months ago) Permalink

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