Is this anti-semitism?

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“We have had a Zionist-controlled Hollywood, a Zionist-controlled news media that is the conduit to all of this violence...this imagery into every home in America, and so you wonder why there is a culture of violence? It is because it comes from the Jews in Hollywood. That is where the conduit of violence comes from,” Phoenix-based Mike Harris said on Tuesday.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/12/19/279024/zionists-create-culture-of-violence-in-us/

The guy who blamed Sandy Hook on the Mossad ^

Mordy, Friday, 21 December 2012 04:09 (eleven years ago) link

The comments are a joy:

I've read most of the story behind the slayings at Newtown.There is a deliberate attempt to hide what really went wrong to warrant the murder of the younglings.The zionist would stop at nothing to kill and defile anything that does not favour them.Now, as part of a calculated evil mischief,they want to deprive Americans the right to own and keep arms for self defence.This is because they want to punish America for the losses suffered by Israel at the 8 days false flag war on Gaza and the "loss of face" at the UN General Assembly.These people are definitely evil.

Mordy, Friday, 21 December 2012 04:13 (eleven years ago) link

"younglings," ugh, as a Star Wars fan I apologize for this

Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Friday, 21 December 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

yeah as i read that all i cld think was SECURITY HOLOGRAM

ogmor, Friday, 21 December 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Hmm:

Poland's chief rabbi, Michael Schudrich, said he was consulted on the installation's placement ahead of time and did not oppose it because he saw value in the artist's attempt to try to raise moral questions by provoking viewers.

He said he was reassured by curators who told him there was no intention of rehabilitating Hitler but rather of showing that evil can present itself in the guise of a "sweet praying child."

"I felt there could be educational value to it," said Schudrich, who also wrote an introduction to the exhibition's catalogue in which he says art can "force us to face the evil of the world."

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/world/01/05/13/hitler-statue-holocaust-site-stirs-controversy

Seems to be the same Rabbi.

Tullamorte Tullamore (ShariVari), Saturday, 12 January 2013 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

Well at least he's consistent.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 12 January 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link

http://forward.com/articles/168948/german-travelogue-unveils-stubborn-anti-semitism/

good news, everyone!

Mordy, Monday, 14 January 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

Well is that cartoon anti-semitic? Dubious allegation imo. It's blunt but I could imagine Scarfe drawing a similarly gory image a few years ago with Tony Blair or George Bush.

Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 28 January 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link

bibi and his big nose are building a wall w/ the blood of arabs. can't imagine what's anti-semitic about that.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link

Like the Israeli cartoonist in the article says, Bibi's nose isn't that big compared to your standard Scarfe caricature. And what's anti-semitic about a wall or blood? (in this context, not in the case of blood libel obviously) The Eternal Jew poster that the blogger claims Scarfe "emulates" doesn't look like it at all.

Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 28 January 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

lol ok

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Dave_Brown%27s_Goya_Ariel_Sharon.jpg

What's wrong? Never seen an anti-Semitic caricature of an Israeli politician before?

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link

http://commentisfreewatch.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/steve-bell-16-12-2012-0021.jpg

Nothing to see here...

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

Don't see the original cartoon as anti-Semitic myself.

Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

Cartoonists should avoid drawing noses on Israeli politicians to avoid this kind of controversy though.

Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link

Don't worry about it.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2013/01/TIMES-CARTOON-195x293.jpg

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

I particularly like how the blood is dripping out of the cracks of the wall. Such attention to detail.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

every time this happens they say they would do the same for putin or whatever, which might be true but is always oblivious to the overdetermination, that where israel is concerned there is always a litany of old antisemitic tropes produced by the same 'neutral' imagery

Why they hide the bodice under décolletage? (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

"in this context, not in the case of blood libel obviously"

why not? that's the exact association that makes it look antisemitic.

nostormo, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

They should probably stop brutalising Palestinians maybe

Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

some of the responses here boggle the fuck out of me, and then I remember:

OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

it's (accidentally?) quite evocative of this:

When astrologers told the Pharaoh that an Israelite male child born at that time would grow up to overthrow Pharaoh, Pharaoh decided to kill all the male children born to the Israelites. He ordered them thrown into the Nile River.

Pharaoh was stricken with a skin disease. His doctors told him that only baths of blood could cure his disease. So Pharaoh bathed in the blood of Israelite babies.

When the subjugation was at its worst, the Egyptians forced upon the Israelites an unreasonable quota of bricks. If the Israelites failed to fill the quota of bricks, their children were killed in front of them, and the bodies were mixed into the brick-mortar.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link

They should probably stop brutalising Palestinians maybe

yeah! stop brutalizing the palestinians, jews and we'll stop running anti-semitic comics in the uk press!

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago) link

Please continue to tie your support of the Palestinian nationalism movement to your support of anti-semitic comics on ILX. You're definitely doing your argument a service.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.jonathanlynn.com/images/gallery/yes_minister_title2.jpg

scarfe's end titles for yes minister/yes prime minister

beez in the katz (zvookster), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

Or they won't be perceived to be anti-Semitic because of ya know caricatures

Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

it's not like these shitty cartoons are of any political value

like if someone tells steve bell that depicting benyamin netanyahu as the puppetmaster behind the uk foreign office is not merely politically fatuous but also antisemitic, and he no longer gets to do shitty cartoons about israel, the world will still be the same

Why they hide the bodice under décolletage? (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

Mordy, posting other cartoons that are anti-semitic doesn't prove that this one is. That may be your personal response but it's not a clear-cut case. This Haaretz writer puts a strong case for the defence:

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/four-reasons-why-u-k-cartoon-of-netanyahu-isn-t-anti-semitic-in-any-way.premium-1.496880

xp nostormo, are you seriously saying that no cartoon critical of Israel is allowed to include blood because, in a different, specific context, blood is used as an anti-semitic image? Should this be the only case where the depiction of blood is not allowed at all?

Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link

should cartoonists avoid blood when depicting jewish subjects? honest q

beez in the katz (zvookster), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link

should cartoonists avoid apes when depicting black presidents? honest q.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago) link

Wouldn't want to offend Bibi

Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

Gukbe, I love arguing with you about this. You do all the heavy lifting for me.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

xp Fatuous q.

Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link

Should a culture that has been suffering persecution for thousands of years be exempt from criticism when they persecute?

Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not really arguing with you mordy but I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

should cartoonists avoid apes when depicting black presidents? honest q.

― Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:06 (2 minutes ago)

thankfully steve bell, having spent 8 yrs drawing his predecessor as a chimp, has restrained himself wrt obama

Why they hide the bodice under décolletage? (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link

Dead Palestinians noses seem about proportionally the same but I guess you have a monopoly on what is anti Semitic.

Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, Gukbe, maybe I know better than you what constitutes anti-semitism.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

But hey, continue to explain how it's cool bc Israel is persecuting the Palestinians.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not saying anti semitism is cool.

Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Palestinians are Semitic as well, aren't they? So Gukbe's observation kind of strengthens Mordy's argument?

Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

The term antisemitism was invented by Wilhelm Marr to be a scientific + classy way of referring to Jew hatred. It has nothing to do with Semitic languages or ethnic backgrounds.

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link

well that's not helpful!

Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link

Should a culture that has been suffering persecution for thousands of years be exempt from criticism when they persecute?

― Gukbe, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:08 (2 minutes ago)

this is so stupid, even if the suggestion that 'a culture' somehow has agency for israeli state policy is merely accidental

there are a million ways to criticize israel, just not using shitty cartoons

so effectively israel gets an exemption there, wow how unfair

Why they hide the bodice under décolletage? (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 28 January 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link


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