!!! Under New Management !!! It's The ILM NON-ELITIST METAL ALBUMS POLL 2012 NOMINATIONS THREAD

Al Namrood - Kitab Al Awthan
Furia - Marzannie, Krolowej Polski
Wodensthrone - Curse
A Forest of Stars - A Shadowplay for Yesterdays
Heidevolk - Batavi

As the Kerrang list was posted here Year-End Critics' Polls 2012

I shall add it to nominations

call all destroyer, yessir but not on the rolling thread.

Thanks for doing this. I don't think, however, that limiting ballots to 20 somehow increases quality. It'll simply exclude more interesting choices from making the top 100, making the results more predictable. I'd like to think part of the point of our ILM polls is to show that there are definitely more than 20 quality metal albums every year. Just my HO, I am grateful that someone could step up and do this.

Van Halen-A Different Kind of Truth
Rush-Clockwork Angels
Monarch-Omens
Ahab-The Giant
Deftones-Koi No Yokan
Black Breath-Sentenced to Life

These were missing, I thought at a quick glance...

Bison BC-Lovelessness
Coffinworm-Great Bringer of Night

Does anyone have an excel sheet for tabulating or know a quick way to tabulate results?

Eh I can probably hook you up. ILXmail me.

Fungicide - Black Carrot
Death Gutz - The Eternal Suicide in Technicolor
Cheese of God - Volk
Black Rebecca - Cranny
These - Ponyo
Distillation of Erik - Criminal Recordings
Spunkmeyer - Vissus
Pieg - Crack
Shepreth Wildlife Park - Capybara
Monarch - Omens
Fucked 4 Lyfe - Bedroom Prison
Blur - Parklife

That would be grand.
Webmailed you seandalai.

Bong - Mana-Yood-Sushai
Candlemass - Psalms for the Dead
Dragged Into Sunlight - Widowmaker
Ea - Ea
Earthen Grave - Earthen Grave
Ehnahre - Old Earth
Hour of 13 - 333
Lento - Anxiety Despair Languish
Nadja - Dagdrøm
Pale Divine - Painted Windows Black
Pilgrim - Misery Wizard
Profetus - ...To Open the Passages in Dusk
Seremonia - Seremonia
Windhand - Windhand
Witchrist - The Grand Tormentor
Worship - Terranean Wake

mordy and frobisher the viceroy both have noms left as they nominated tracks that were in the Decibel and Kerrang lists. Are there any other metal publications with a list anyone thinks would be worth adding?

Thanks for doing this. I don't think, however, that limiting ballots to 20 somehow increases quality. It'll simply exclude more interesting choices from making the top 100, making the results more predictable. I'd like to think part of the point of our ILM polls is to show that there are definitely more than 20 quality metal albums every year. Just my HO, I am grateful that someone could step up and do this.

― Fastnbulbous,

That is the way the big proper EOY poll works so I am following that successful template and also there will not be anywhere near a top 100 rollout. Quality not Quantity is my motto. I was thinking of having ballots with a max of 10 with no minimum which P&J uses. But I may change that to 15 or even 20 when time comes to vote.

DON'T START BITCHING ABOUT HOW THIS IS BEING DONE. All the complaints and crying is why others threw in the towel in the fist place. If you wanted done a certain way, you should've done it yourself. Let em do it how they want and be grateful its even being done at all..

Listen, there's a difference between bitching and calmly stating your opinion as FNB has done. As long as people are considerate, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to voice their thoughts?

Its everyones' opinions that made people fold on it in the first place.

But you're right, FNB did graciously state his opinion, but I can see it turning for the worse as others pile on..

I'm with SeanWayne - no complaints about rules, formats, etc. should be tolerated from anyone. They're all stated up top and they fucking stand. If you don't like them, don't participate - end of story.

FNB wasn't rude. Everyone can have their say; but they don't have the final say. AG's rules caused too many arguments. I feel his poll was too large and and too many rules and tbqh elitist and obsessed with cool and tried too hard to pimp underground metal which most people were not interested at the expense of 'popular metal'. Hence all the arguments. Afaiac its all metal and should be free to be nominated but smaller nominations also means only the best will be nominated not 3000 albums 1 person got sent by pr men.
The poll from now on is to simply highlight the crème de la crème of 2012 Metal releases. There are not 100 releases that match that. There is not 50 either. One could argue there's barely a handful of releases a year that are truly great. 20 votes is more than enough and I am seriously considering 10 votes like P&J as if its good enough for them (It shall not be more than 20). Voting should not be something you labor over trying to fulfill minimum quotas. More will vote if we have a smaller nominations pool and smaller ballot and the countdown will be much more exciting with a far smaller rollout. After all the full results will still be posted at the en for those who are inclined to check out lower reaches. There is a good reason albums don't get lots of votes so why waste time on them?
Many argued for this and its time to show how much better it will be.
Would be mucho healthier if albums were discussed than rules as the rules wont be changed.

Don't think any of these are duplicates, but I apologize if I missed any while searching. (Also, feel free to disqualify Devil's Blood if you want, but it came out in the U.S. in 2012. It's not like I really love it that much anyway, so no great loss if it doesn't make the cut.)

Crazy Lixx - Riot Avenue
Ulver - Childhood’s End
Honky - 421
Skånska Mord - Paths To Charon
Tygers of Pan Tang - Ambush
Bullet - Full Pull
Hellwell - Beyond The Boundaries Of Sin
Altar Of Oblivion - Grand Gesture Of Defiance
Larman Clamor - Frogs
Pharaoh - Bury The Light
3 Inches Of Blood- Long Live Heavy Metal
Bible Of The Devil - For The Love Of Thugs & Fools
45 Grave - Pick Your Poison
Spiders - Flash Point
Coven - Worship New Gods
Mekong Delta- Intersections
Thunderkraft- Totentanz
Treponem Pal - Survival Sounds
El Doom & The Born Electric – El Doom & The Born Electric
Huinca – Sic Semper Tyrannis
The Devil’s Blood – The Thousandfold Epicentre
Sun Gods In Exile – Thanks For The Silver

Are we doing reissues? Because I think that Coven record is one, as great as it is.

It sort of is, if super limited vinyl private pressings in 1987 count as initial issues. (Pagan Altar, which Mordy nominated above, is at least sort of one too, right? Recorded 1978.) Seems like a grey area to me, but disqualify if necessary.

Ancestors - In Dreams and Time
Goddess - Discovery
Kowloon Walled City - Container Ships
Menace Ruine - Alight In Ashes
RAM - Death
Sula Bassana - Dark Days
Tigon - Infinite Teeth
Tweak Bird - Under Cover Crops

USA release in 2012 is fine. No problem with EP's,compilations and reissues that nobody had heard of at the time seem fine with me. Nobody is forced to vote for them if they disagree.

Another one I wasn't sure about, and held off on nominating, was

Sleep - Dopesmoker

maybe more questionable 'new release' than pagan altar or coven...

I said I was against veto-ing nominations and voting would sort these matters out but I think dopesmoker is going too far

good call

This is a big blow to the whole Weedian community...

I am sure they can process it

Oh I had an idea - can we include the StonerHive top 20 in the nominations, it's countdown will end the same day as nominations here end. Obviously things will already be nominated that are on it, but can you include the albums on it that aren't already nommed? Thank you for your consideration on this matter, New Management.

http://stonerhive.blogspot.com/

Only if some here have voted in it. if so post the full results once its done and I shall add anything not already nominated. Does anyone have the Terrorizer or Revolver lists?

Everyone happy with just doing a maximum of 10 votes like with Pazz & Jop? Makes it far easier to knock up a list and everyone will only vote the very best rather than 50 albums they heard once.

I'd much rather list more -- like somebody else said above, more votes makes these polls more interesting, not less, and I've heard my favorite 30 albums this year way more than once -- but then again I'm not the one doing the tabulating. So I can live it.

15 or 20 then as anymore would dilute the quality imo. The poll is to decide this years favorite metal albums on ILM. I.e. voting for albums you already know and rate highly.

15 or 20 imo. 10 is too few. 20 seems like a good number, but it wouldn't kill me to do 15.

Well I voted in the Stonerhive list and I think a few other may have (Sean?)

Personally I think 10 votes is way too small but I guess this new era of metal polling has different purposes and I can understand that.

OK unless there is lots of complaints about wanting less I will go for min of 1 album max 20 votes.

No fuss no muss.

Sounds good to me!

thanks for taking this on NM. I like to think AG is looking down from heaven, a wry smile on his face. RIP big man!

LOL more like spinning in his grave!

Good call J3ff (multiple xposts):

Astra -The Black Chord

AG didn't die.. lol!!!

He lurks..

yeah he's still around, was just kidding.

Who shot the Algerian Goalkeeper? CLIFFHANGER

AG is most welcome to participate in nominations and voting but the rules are set.

You rock for doing this and I'm happy to participate with the rules as they stand.

PS - nice trolling "glumdalclitch."

Krallice - Years Past Matter
Bosse-de-Nage - III
Car Bomb - w^w^^w^w
Wizard Rifle - Speak Loud, Say Nothing
Dog Shredder - Brass Tactics EP

Is trolling normally a feature of metal poll?

1) Yes
2) They're real records
3) I think, from memory, the Wizard Rifle record is good enough to be nommed (though I might be thinking of someone else)

What about pop-punk? Green Day and other bands like them were on the Kerrang! list and made it into the nominations spreadsheet... where do we stand on that?

Liars, black bananas and hexvessel aren't metal. The new mono is basically a neoclassical CD, although I don't really care if you include it or not. It's not so much a matter of being elitist or mainstream, more a matter of having things on the list that just don't fit the genre.

And it isn't a matter of serious voters voting for those albums, and more that if there are things that trolls can vote for to screw up the poll, they will vote for them.

That's why I didn't nominate Goatpenis this year.

I got the Deiphago album through the post finally. Came as a rather splendid picture disc with brilliant artwork, an iron-on patch and a CD. Music sounds like someone yelling "SATAAAAAAAAAN" while throwing cutlery down the stairs.

Looking at previous polls now and they got between 80-90 ballots ,with the relaxation of rules this time I anticipate getting nearer 100. That would mean, along with shortening the roll-out from 125 ,trolls would be wasting their time plus trolls have never been a problem in any ILM 'email' Poll before. Any obvious troll ballots could be easily discounted as on the voting form they have to provide their ilx name.

I still think we should consider removing Green Day.

Not worth the jail time.

Shall we open up extra nominations now? Please don't add hundreds of albums from Rate Your Metal just for the sake of it and instead add albums that have not been mentioned that you would vote for or think are important albums that shouldn't be left out.

Does this count?:

Yamantaka/Sonic Titan - YT/ST

Not familiar with them at all. Will trust your judgement.

I might count that. Did Wo Fat get nominated? What about Greenleaf?

neither have been nominated so please do

Would it be possible for a mod to change the thread title to alert everyone to the fact that nominations end tonight at 11.59pm UK time? Please!

Nile - At the Gate of Sethu

always surprised when i see don broco on lists like this. they're local boys.

Swans - The Seer
Scott Walker - Bish Bosch
Om - Advaitic Songs

I want everything in the StonerHive top 20 nominated

You had better post the top 20 then

Oh and Scott Walker is not being included

if swans is included it should be

but fair enough

Wo Fat - Black Code
Greenleaf - Nest of Vipers

Castle – Blacklands
Owl – First Album
Elder – Spires Burn
Alunah – White Hoarhound
Bevar Sea – Bevar Sea
Black Pyramid – II
Spirit Descent – Seven Chapters In A Minor
Orchid – Heretic
Ne Obliviscaris – Portal Of I
Dødsengel – Imperator
Golden Void - Golden Void
At Devil Dirt – Chapter II (Vulgo gratissimus auctor)
Horisont – Second Assault
Captain Crimson – Dancing Madly Backwards
Corsair – Corsair
Wight – Through The Woods Into Deep Water
Heat – Old Sparky
Glowsun – Eternal Season
Ivy Garden Of The Desert – Blood Is Love
Snail – Terminus

was gonna vote but i don't really trust my votes with this "New Management" lurker, i think they should hand the poll back to AG

AG doesn't want to run it. New Management has been gracious enough to take over. Thanks, New Management!

rly think AG should reconsider. we don't know anything about this lurker, whole thing seems v shady

I always wondered what happened to The Management since Carnivàle was prematurely canceled.

I can promise that the results will be whatever ✧ (am0n) wants them to be.

CLOSED

Not really sure what to do now re voting thread since I'm not manually tabulating now. Voting thread will start hopefully tomorrow or sunday but y'all can start making your lists to have them ready. Here is the full nominations list. Will add lists from Revolver/Terrorizer once they come in unless there is objections.

Thank-you to everyone who nominated. You made things really easy.

Voting thread today? My list is almost ready to go...

It'll be up soon.

2012 NON-ELITIST ILM METAL POLL VOTING THREAD (Closes Jan 11th 2013 11:59pm Britishes Time)