Finally Rich - Chief Keef

deej you know you cherrypicked one waka video out of 200 others where he's pulling grinning and pulling faces all over the place

lol pulling grinning sorry for typo

deej makes an important distinction tho

at least as far as flockaveli goes

keef may take the same track as he continues to isolate himself from the streets... i mean his grimmest tracks are certainly the earliest

citgo is so good. it's the song soulja boy should of made.

'zan with that lean' era soulja boy that is

deej you know you cherrypicked one waka video out of 200 others where he's pulling grinning and pulling faces all over the place

― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, December 14, 2012 4:06 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which? the one that springs to mind is the one with keef, who is also grinning.

to me what is interesting about keef's style is that it is at once 'deadened' as ppl have described its ... detached-ness, but projected. Like, his voice jumps forward. I feel like for most rappers when you try to put that kind of energy in it, you lose that detached 'cool' cf pusha t in 2012

all of them besides 'live by the gun' iirc? like waka was hilarious in the 'bingo' video and that was one of his first big looks.

well it's not like the "i don't like" or "3hunna" videos depict a sad or detached keef. it's a different conversation.

yeah i'm not sure why videos were brought up to begin with just thought d-40's trying to hard w/ the waka video example

ew gross i called deej 'd-40' what is happening to me

what do they call you in the bay, '40 daughter'?

ok, well talk about his delivery on any track on waka's album.

what do they call you in the bay, '40 daughter'?

― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, December 14, 2012 4:17 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

i missed deej saying "video" cuz "live by the gun" is a pretty good counterexample to the narrative deej is trying to counter

dude seems more interested in melody than waka

ok look guys, forget the video -- i felt like live by the gun was a good example, visually, of waka's style more generally. his stuff that people really like almost never sounds 'joyous' or w/e, it's cement-brick-hard shit. right?

'no hands' is joyous tho but it's kind of an outlier if his biggest (?) song

i dunno out of his 5-10 biggest singles that only describes "hard in the paint" doesn't it? unless you're talking about his "core" fanbase's favorites vs. what most people actually know him for. xp

"waka will you be my baby daddy?" NO! **throws cinder block into wall**

i see 'hate being sober' being a radio smash tho and it's gonna be off keef's own back whereas you could prob argue 'no hands' was so popular cos of the sing-song hook.

i would agree waka has more charisma however

(i hope you have more bottles)

this is getting into hip hop dungeons & dragons territory but i think keef is the more charismatic artist by +2

i just think it's interesting that the Flockaveli thread even at the height of its excitement had a lot of fatalistic (and in retrospect realistic) talk about 'he made a great album but he'll never top this, it's all downhill from here' compared to the incredibly optimistic 7 day forecast itt

the direction keef seems to be pushing with this album suggests 50 is a better reference point anyway and i find it interesting how this sounds worlds apart from other rap music heavily influenced by 50 (e.g. max b)

i just think it's interesting that the Flockaveli thread even at the height of its excitement had a lot of fatalistic (and in retrospect realistic) talk about 'he made a great album but he'll never top this, it's all downhill from here' compared to the incredibly optimistic 7 day forecast itt

― some dude, Friday, December 14, 2012 4:34 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean...was that not true about waka?

i think this album is worse than flockaveli but he has more room to grow / higher ceiling. i mean, anything can happen, i think predicting these things is stupid. but the potential is there imo

i said 'in retrospect realistic', read the post jeez

i guess i have no idea what the best case scenario for chief keef's artistic growth or commercial prospects, maybe a lack of imagination on my part but i can't see it

idk what it is either but i didn't see good kid, maad city coming either

people were VERY primed for the kendrick album to do what it did, it was just the rare major label debut that actually fulfilled their expectations

http://i.imgur.com/ISzNR.gif

grim & unrelenting

what a vile dude with a grim presence and a pink backpack

dude you're the one constantly talking about how you believe 99% of all rappers are sociopaths and horrible human beings

oh they are, but i thought we were evaluating how he was presented thru his music & image as an artist

"he's a cold-blooded murderous thug, but how would they know? he has a pink backpack. those racists!"

there is a lot of, like, optimism on finally rich, like his constant references to his daughter and his friends

i don't know, very little of this strikes me as dark, cynical music

that's cool to hear -- prob won't check out the whole thing til it's legally available next week

sort of off topic, but i've been thinking about how keef's aspergers has influenced his rapping style, if at all. it sounds at times like he's ecstatic to have found a way to communicate with people in a way that might be easier than person-on-person single conversation if that makes sense? maybe i'm just going off the deep end now

"waka will you be my baby daddy?" NO! **throws cinder block into wall**

― some dude, Friday, December 14, 2012 5:29 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

concerning charisma:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRcfiZmwQtg
vs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTH8Fj9S3fA

...

rappers wearing pink: shorthand for 'has personality' since 2003

i think everyone would agree that waka at his most charismatic is some of the most charismatic rap ever. perhaps his most charismatic and happy stuff was released after flockavelli (all the pop stuff, also verses like "wild boy" comes to mind) but even before the album dropped his energy was one of the things that made him stand out. it's a weird comparison though because even at waka's most deadpan there's still those insane adlibs, the amount of energy or charisma on the lead vocals of "luv them gun sounds" and "i don't like" are comparable, but one of them also has a track of a dude screaming at the top of his lungs throughout

post-flockavelli was when the energy went ott but, i mean, this is Rev's first post to the waka thread

Waka isn't a good rapper per se, but no one has as much energy as him right now.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, September 7, 2010 5:03 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's a pretty spirited album. "o let's do it" pretty turnt up as breakthrough singles go.

rappers wearing pink: shorthand for 'has personality' since 2003

― some dude, Friday, December 14, 2012 7:47 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

heheheheehhehehe

hauh hauh hauh

i like this a lot but somehow id avoided & now am overwhelmed by the # of molly refs and it really makes me lol

honestly, hadnt heard molly since going 2 phish shows in early 00s

also imp q: is there a diff btwn pink / blue dolphins

pink dolphin is a clothing brand (of young l)... blue dolphin is ecstasy

I was being serious except for the last line

you were right and we (or I specifically) was wrong! he ended up being that important

"they're not 'weird experiments,(...) they're just great rap projects"

This is not mutually exclusive. BFTD2 is weird.
Keef has also a huge influence on hyperpop.

Feel like you’re misunderstanding me — of course they’re creative & experimental but not imo in some way that’s somehow exceptional to rap artists when they’re in a creative zone generally. The exception w him is id say the frequency of the ideas, there’s room for a lot more variation & surprise as a result.

What joe said was “I do respect the way he’s out there doing his art” before dismissing that art out of hand, I think ppl tend to stigmatize stuff as weird that isn’t like … outsider art or some shit. It’s redefined the boundaries of the genre, of what is considered “normal”

i domt see how you can say his later work is more influential when there are literal english making right drill music mate, ALSO idk why i am the one being attacked here when i have always been supportive of keefs artistic flights of fancy

i even like his aggressively avant garde work that only ticktok teens can understand but still i prob wouldve enjoyed a more direct career trajectory from bang through finally rich and so on, theres def an interesting path not chosen there, particularly i really like how he used his voice early on, in some ways he became a more conventional rapper after that, somewhat compensating by adopting a loosey goosey style

UK drill & NY drill were initially impacted by Keef in obvious ways (ie the first GS9 tape has flips of Keef's post-Finally Rich song "Pull Up") but the main blueprint for the sound is Lil Herb & Bibby's "Kill Shit." Which in Chicago was kind of a brief window / angle of the sound around DJ L's production.

The way in which Keef's post-Finally Rich sound was influential is much more around Bang 2 & the loosies from that 2013-2015 period, and its influence isn't so much on 'drill' the way its conceived in ny/uk as much as rappers like uzi, kodak, 21, xxx, playboi carti, et al

imo he made his voice *more* interesting not less after "Finally Rich" -- on FR he was doing that style where his voice casually rides the beat, sounds like Gucci Mane but his voice pops more to the front of the speaker where Gucci was kind of demur. But then he did that looser more aggressive attack & that's when his voice became way more malleable & started experimenting w/ darker melodies & textures & IMO showed much more the possibilities for vocal stylings that other artists picked up and ran off with

new song is titanically great, goddamn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f36hvoQ-bCs

https://hiphopdx.com/news/chief-keef-finally-rich-10th-anniversary-reissue

aoty

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