he sent me two ID numbers. concerned about potential counter-shenanigans
― shoup, Friday, 14 December 2012 04:15 (eleven years ago) link
btw anyone who doesn't want to submit a ballot, I'll do one for you
― Jesus, the Total Douchebag (DJP), Friday, 14 December 2012 04:22 (eleven years ago) link
xp The Guardian commenters have gone nuclear this year on the tracks thread. They think it's a disgrace and an embarrassment and all the songs sound the same and they want everyone who voted for them to resign. Even by EOY standards the hatefest is quite something.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 14 December 2012 09:16 (eleven years ago) link
it's amazing life-giving stuff. and i thought they couldn't top last year's outrage
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 December 2012 09:39 (eleven years ago) link
"Those two ridiculous and unforgivable misjudgements mean that I will dismiss the rest of what you have to say about the music that I haven't heard."
OK then, take care, bye.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 14 December 2012 09:42 (eleven years ago) link
Kerrang! individual ballots for those of you looking to have your Enter Shikari and Papa Roach love justified: http://www.kerrang.com/blog/2012/12/the_kerrang_teams_top_10_album.html
― an area the size of Jimmy Wales (DJ Mencap), Friday, 14 December 2012 09:42 (eleven years ago) link
dunno if they've done the overall poll yet or if there's any mileage in trying to work it out or if anyone cares or or or
― an area the size of Jimmy Wales (DJ Mencap), Friday, 14 December 2012 09:43 (eleven years ago) link
If anyone's reading the Guardian and has a say over these things, I implore you to just let Tom Ewing put this post up in its entirety, with any relevant names updated for 2012:
http://tomewing.tumblr.com/post/14189168260/a-music-website-has-chosen-something-unacceptable-in
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 December 2012 09:50 (eleven years ago) link
"this must be a joke right? In fact the entire list is embarrassing.....as for talk of innovative pop song etc....it's the very opposite so cliched and dull consequently..even the video is cliche....I kind of hope this is a joke because otherwise the entire music staff and the Guardian should go write for Smash Hits....thankfully I never ever read any music reviews on The Guardian and stick to UnCut......I now know why...."
"Remember it's the music 'business', thats all it's about 'business'. Forget 'creativity' forget 'art' forget 'expression' forget 'depth'. But do remember 'business'. Now how do you like your business served? Cold, calculated, clinical? Focus group music? Fine...then this list is all you need. Enjoy your business!"
"WTF is this list, is it meant as an ironic joke about the state of the music industry, thank god I was a teenager in the 70s, and not now, I feel so sorry for young people these days having to listen to such rubbish. This list should include Justin Beaver or whatever his name is. Total crap."
"task for guardian critics in 2013: get better taste, people are laughing at you.
I'm a proud musical snob, so do these things:
Listen to BBC 3's late junction at least once a weekRead Wire publicationWhen in London, go to Cafe OtoPurchase Boomkat's single of the weekAvoid Fearne Cotton generally
Next year, your list should be engaging and free of indulgent pap."
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 14 December 2012 09:50 (eleven years ago) link
Enjoy your business!
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 14 December 2012 09:51 (eleven years ago) link
The EOY year lists tend to bring out curmudgeons that don't actually read / comment on the Guardian's music pages at any other time of the year. It's a mystery why they're so invested in it come December.
― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Friday, 14 December 2012 09:57 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Justin+Beaver+or+whatever+his+name+is%22&oq=%22Justin+Beaver+or+whatever+his+name+is%22&gs_l=hp.3...84.1105.1.1831.3.3.0.0.0.1.458.1175.2-1j0j2.3.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.QY2WmRUZE_Y&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.d2k&fp=a990c85c38ccdf8e&bpcl=39967673&biw=1143&bih=702
― an area the size of Jimmy Wales (DJ Mencap), Friday, 14 December 2012 09:59 (eleven years ago) link
top result is a tweet by former Cardiff City defender Spencer Prior
― an area the size of Jimmy Wales (DJ Mencap), Friday, 14 December 2012 10:00 (eleven years ago) link
Does bieber or biber not just mean beaver in German anyway?
― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Friday, 14 December 2012 10:02 (eleven years ago) link
The sad thing is that so many of them honestly can't distinguish between Rihanna/Savages/Plan B/TNGHT. They're so estranged from music, and often at a surprisingly young age, that they have to take out their frustration on new artists and anyone who likes them. They can't keep up but they won't let go so the only option is to blame someone else: "I don't listen to modern music not because I'm growing older but because it's all terrible." These people seem to really dig solo albums by ex-members of Britpop bands.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 14 December 2012 10:06 (eleven years ago) link
At least those ex-members still have souls and sing their own songs.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 14 December 2012 10:36 (eleven years ago) link
This commenter on the Channel Orange article has clearly seen through your scheming:
It's not a bad album...but I get the impression that it's number 1 for reasons other than musical.
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 14 December 2012 10:43 (eleven years ago) link
xp Makes you realise that outside of the ILX/music critic bubble the world of "serious" music fans is, and always will be, Rockism Central.
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 14 December 2012 10:44 (eleven years ago) link
Resident Advisor - Top 20 Albumshttp://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1704
01. Voices from the Lake - Voices From the Lake [Prologue]02. Actress - RIP [Honest Jon's]03. John Talabot - fIN [Permanent Vacation]04. Andy Stott - Luxury Problems [Modern Love]05. Daphni - Jiaolong [Jiaolong]06. Shackleton - Music for the Quiet Hour [Woe to the Septic Heart]07. Vessel - Order of Noise [Tri Angle]08. Shed - The Killer [50 Weapons]09. Robert Hood - Motor: Nighttime World 3 [Music Man]10. Barker & Baumecker - Transsektoral [Ostgut Ton]11. Jam City - Classical Curves [Night Slugs]12. Grimes - Visions [4AD]13. Lee Gamble - Diversions 1994 - 1996 [PAN]14. Recondite - On Acid [Acid Test]15. Silent Servant - Negative Fascination [Hospital Productions]16. Chromatics - Kill for Love [Italians Do It Better]17. Ricardo Villalobos - Dependent and Happy [Perlon]18. Smallpeople - Salty Days [Smallville]19. Laurel Halo - Quarantine [Hyperdub]20. Raime - Quarter Turns Over a Living Line [Blackest Ever Black]
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 14 December 2012 10:53 (eleven years ago) link
01. Voices from the Lake - Voices From the Lake [Prologue]03. John Talabot - fIN [Permanent Vacation]04. Andy Stott - Luxury Problems [Modern Love]05. Daphni - Jiaolong [Jiaolong]15. Silent Servant - Negative Fascination [Hospital Productions]18. Smallpeople - Salty Days [Smallville]
^^AWESOME
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 December 2012 10:54 (eleven years ago) link
I just don't understand that Voices From The Lake album. Also i vastly preferred Andy Stott's stuff from last year
― Number None, Friday, 14 December 2012 11:03 (eleven years ago) link
the Shed album is kind of on the verge of really doing it for me but I can't fully commit. might give it another go later
― Sounds like something Maria Carey would of rejected (DJ Mencap), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:09 (eleven years ago) link
AV Club pick their least essential albums of 2012, boo to their number one choice http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-least-essential-albums-of-2012,89882/2/
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:11 (eleven years ago) link
How the hell have I never heard Ian Brown singing Thriller before?
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:14 (eleven years ago) link
AV Club gave "least essential album" to A*Teens two years in a row so i view it as a mark of distinction.
― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:15 (eleven years ago) link
I had no idea that Fear album existed and that thing w/ Praga Khan sounds incredible so they can have a pass for being smooth rong re: Farrah A
― Sounds like something Maria Carey would of rejected (DJ Mencap), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:20 (eleven years ago) link
wtf this sounds nothing like Injected With A Poison, it's just some douchery. BOOOOOOOOOOO
― Sounds like something Maria Carey would of rejected (DJ Mencap), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:26 (eleven years ago) link
That Robert Hood album is great as well although you don't read Resident Advisor for their album reviews really.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 December 2012 11:27 (eleven years ago) link
cosign on the Robert Hood
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:32 (eleven years ago) link
I need to give that Andy Stott album another go, I found it a bit dense and smokey when I first listened to it.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 December 2012 11:35 (eleven years ago) link
in a paper like the guardian's comments, definitely, but there are lots of music fans who are quite open minded without being ilx types or music critics. don't you guys have friends who you give tips to who like good things but seldom hunt them down themselves? a lot of my old friends are like this.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:39 (eleven years ago) link
and of course, as ever, the pleased person or the person who politely agrees or enjoyed a piece, they don't even bother commenting.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:40 (eleven years ago) link
been meaning to check that Robert Hood album out, I shall give it a go.
― Neil S, Friday, 14 December 2012 11:49 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ boring posts of our time
Actually there are quite a few positive comments (and ironic expressions of outrage) on that thread.
I dunno though the neanderthal lad-rock hanger on who thinks Ian Brown is god is still a significant and vocal demographic, they just don't have very much to latch onto now.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 December 2012 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
NPR listener top 50:
Mumford & Sons, BabelOf Monsters And Men, My Head Is An AnimalAlabama Shakes, Boys And GirlsJack White, BlunderbussGrizzly Bear, ShieldsThe Lumineers, The LumineersFrank Ocean, Channel OrangeBeach House, BloomThe xx, CoexistFiona Apple, The Idler Wheel...fun., Some NightsThe Avett Brothers, The CarpenterJapandroids, Celebration RockRegina Spektor, What We Saw From The Cheap SeatsPassion Pit, GossamerAndrew Bird, Break It YourselfCat Power, SunThe Shins, Port Of MorrowFirst Aid Kit, The Lion's RoarTame Impala, LonerismThe Tallest Man On Earth, There's No Leaving NowDirty Projectors, Swing Lo MagellanAlt-J, An Awesome WaveMacklemore & Ryan Lewis, The HeistKendrick Lamar, good kid, M.A.A.D. cityGotye, Making MirrorsGrimes, VisionsLana Del Rey, Born To DieKishi Bashi, 151aDavid Byrne & St. Vincent, Love This GiantSharon Van Etten, TrampSigur Ros, ValtariLeonard Cohen, Old IdeasBruce Springsteen, Wrecking BallFather John Misty, Fear FunAmanda Palmer, Theatre Is EvilEdward Sharpe & The Magnetic Zeros, HereNorah Jones, Little Broken HeartsPurity Ring, ShrinesBob Dylan, TempestThe Mountain Goats, Transcendental YouthNeil Young & Crazy Horse, Psychedelic PillBest Coast, The Only PlaceSantigold, Master Of My Make-BelieveThe Walkmen, HeavenSleigh Bells, Reign Of TerrorCloud Nothings, Attack On MemoryBat For Lashes, The Haunted ManBand Of Horses, Mirage RockM. Ward, A Wasteland Companion
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:51 (eleven years ago) link
fun list
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:52 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not 100% into it - some bits do feel like a drag but there's a few tracks where he switches things up and throws in an extra ingredient like a slight increase in tempo or something and those songs are just spellbinding for me.
Claro Intelecto should have made the list imo, that album sounded gorgeous in the summer and now it sounds perfect in the winter, such a spacious and detailed record.
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:53 (eleven years ago) link
I gave the Beach House album another listen today. I liked a lot of the songs, although after about 8 of them they do seem to melt into one. It does take its cues from the Cocteaus (although I did admittedly exaggerate their facsimiliousness (word?) upthread); I can see why people think she could be a male singer although that's not the impression I get. And I still couldn't make out more than a couple of lyrics on the whole album, the way the vocals are mixed.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 14 December 2012 11:56 (eleven years ago) link
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Friday, December 14, 2012 11:40 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is u+k esp in regard to all the tools on there giving it the big YOU'RE LOSING YOUR READERSHIP spiel. there may well be a stack of reasons why the paper is losing its readership but I doubt writing with earnest positivity about music enjoyed by young people is that high up the list
― Sounds like something Maria Carey would of rejected (DJ Mencap), Friday, 14 December 2012 12:06 (eleven years ago) link
FWIW, I haven't checked the Guardian comments boxes because I like music.
― besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Friday, 14 December 2012 12:07 (eleven years ago) link
yeah idk why I do it to myself other than that I have a problem
― Sounds like something Maria Carey would of rejected (DJ Mencap), Friday, 14 December 2012 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
Sometimes its fun to watch strangers getting pointlessly butthurt about things.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 December 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
new board description amirite
― Neil S, Friday, 14 December 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link
i'm endlessly entertained by the outraged thundering from guardian commenters ("HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME" <3 <3 <3 ) but it's also really nice to see the rare lovely, complimentary comment
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 December 2012 12:21 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sure the guardian comments are hideous and rockist and all things evil, but i am surprised at a newspaper so happily being in conflict w/ the tastes and feelings of its readership (and yeah yeah, free interweb commentators are not the exact same thing as actual paying punters - but there must be a large degree of crossover.) i spoke to someone who works for the mirror group a little while ago, and they pointed out to me that there IS still a relatively large core of ppl over the age of forty who remain loyal to newsprint, and are likely to still buy papers for another 30 years or so - whereas, the readership under 30 is pretty much lost, gone, never to return. now you cld say it was...brave...to rep so hard for stuff that yr readers by and large disliked, or dismissed as pap (and we know that the traditional british left has always had a prob w/ popular culture, for all sorts of reasons) - but i can't really see the commercial sense in it, and i can't see such an agressively oppositional stance making many new converts, either. so it all looks a bit like journos talking to themselves and congratulating themselves on their free-thinking taste - which is not really a good look, imho
as a wire reading cafe oto-ing tosser i also despair at the lack of keiji haino on that list WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 14 December 2012 12:26 (eleven years ago) link
But the Guardian's online readership, or a significant proportion of it, is under 30 and that's where the debate is going on. We don't know the age of most of the commenters. The number of people shaking their heads at the print version is probably relatively small, no one is going to stop buying the print version of the Guardian because its music section has plumped for Carly Rae Jespen over Dylan.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 December 2012 12:30 (eleven years ago) link
i'm sure you know more abt this than me, Matt - but then, why aren't more of the online readers endorsing this poll?
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 14 December 2012 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
That's one of the most refreshing things about the Guardian's music policy. I don't think it necessarily neglects casual readers or ones more wedded to traditional rock but it's also really willing to take risks and follow its own path at the same time.
The difference always seems to be whether music articles are linked to the home page. Anything placed in the culture section will generally get an ok response, anything linked to the home page will have people who logged in to complain about immigration or Obama chipping in on Taylor Swift at the same time.
― Go Narine, Go! (ShariVari), Friday, 14 December 2012 12:33 (eleven years ago) link
courtesy of our very own Herman G Neuname, lets all have a good laugh at the Kerrang! top 100 albums list.
101 FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS - MILITIA OF THE LOST100 GREEN DAY iDOS!99 FOZZY - SIN AND BONES98 BLACKLISTERS - BLKLSTRS97 WILLIAM CONTROL - SHITENIUM AMORIS96 GALLOWS - GALLOWS95 SET IT OFF - CINEMATICS94 ENSLAVED - RIITIIR93 NAPALM DEATH - UTILITARIAN92 YOU SLUT! - MEDIUM BASTARD91 THE GHOST INSIDE - GET WHAT YOU GIVE90 LINKIN PARK - LIVING THINGS89 SAINT VITUS - LILLIE:F-6588 TORCHE - HARMONICRAFT87 BURY TOMORROW - THE UNION OF CROWNS86 YASHIN - WE CREATED A MONSTER85 MESHUGGAH - KOLOSS84 OFF! - OFF!83 DON BROCO - PRIORITIES82 WHITECHAPEL - SHITECHAPEL81 THE WORD ALIVE - LIFE CYCLES80 HIGH ON FIRE - DE VERMIS MYSTERIIS79 THERAPY?- A BRIEF CRACK OF LIGHT78 PERIPHERY - ii77 MARILYN MANSON - BORN VILLAIN76 ...AND YOU WILL KNOW US BY THE TRAIL OF DEAD - LOST SONGS75 FEED THE RHINO - THE BURNING SONS74 DEAF HAVANA - FOOLS AND WORTHLESS LIARS73 SLASH- APOCALYPTIC LOVE72 NECRO DEATHMORT - THE COLONIAL SCRIPT71 BRAD - UNITED WE STAND70 WE ARE THE OCEAN - MAYBE TODAY, MAYBE TOMORROW69 COHEED AND CAMBRIA - THE AFTERMAN:ASCENSION68 YOUR DEMISE - THE GOLDEN AGE67 MEMPHIS MAY FIRE - CHALLENGER66 LOSTPROPHETS - WEAPONS65 JOYCE MANOR -OF ALL THINGS I WILL SOON GROW TIRED64 KISS - MONSTER63 DEVIN TOWNSEND PROJECT - EPICLOUD62 NACHTMYSTIUM - SILENCING MACHINE61 SMASHING PUMPKINS - OCEANIA60 METZ - METZ59 SHINEDOWN - SYPHILIS58 THE MARS VOLTA - NOCTOURNIQUET57 NOW, NOW- THREADS56 BLACK MOTH - THE KILLING JAR55 SERJ TANKIAN - HARAKIRI54 TONIGHT ALIVE - WHAT ARE YOU SO SCARED OF?53 OF MICE & MEN - THE FLOOD52 MUSE - THE 2ND LAW51 SKYHARBOR - BLINDING WHITE NOISE - ILLUSION AND CHAOS
50 MARK LANEGAN BAND- BLUES FUNERAL49 HALESTORM - THE STRANGE CASE OF48 ALL TIME LOW -DON'T PANIC47 TURBONEGRO - SEXUAL HARASSMENT46 TITLE FIGHT - FLORAL GREEN45 NEUROSIS - HONOR FOUND IN DECAY44 ALCEST - Les Voyages De L'Âme43 PILGRIM - MISERY WIZARD42 MOTIONLESS IN SHITE - INFAMOUS41 THE DARKNESS - SHIT CAKES40 WOODS OF YPRES- WOODS 5:GREY SKIES & ELECTRIC LIGHT39 ORANGE GOBLIN - A EULOGY FOR THE DAMNED38 STEVE HARRIS - BRITISH LION37 BLACK BREATH - SENTENCED TO LIFE36 ARCHITECTS - DAYBREAKER35 ROLO TOMASSI - ASTRAEA34 MIXTAPES - EVEN ON THE WORST NIGHTS33 THE CHARIOT- ONE WING32 KILLING JOKE - MMXII31 VISION OFDISORDER - THE CURSEDREMAIN CURSED30 RUSH - CLOCKWORK ANGELS29 LOSTALONE - I'M A UFO IN THIS CITY28 AXEWOUND - VULTURES27 RIVAL SONS - HEAD DOWN26 DEVIL SOLD HIS SOUL - EMPIRE OF LIGHT25 STONE SOUR - HOUSE OF GOLD AND BONES PART 124 PARKWAY DRIVE - ATLAS23 YOUNG GUNS - BONES22 BILLY NO-TALENT - DEAD SILENCE21 BARONESS - YELLOW & GREEN20 EVERYTIME I DIE - EX LIVES19 THE GASLIGHT ANTHEM - HANDWRITTEN18 SOUNDGARDEN - KING ANIMAL17 CANCER BATS - DEAD SET ON LIVING16 GOJIRA - L'ENFANT SAUSAGE15 LOWER THAN ATLANTIS - CHANGING TUNE14 PAPA ROACH - THE CONNECTION13 THE MENZINGERS - ON THE IMPOSSIBLE PAST12 WINTERFYLLETH - THE THRENODY OF TRIUMPH11 HAWK EYES - IDEAS10 LAMB OF GOD- RESOLUTION9 MOTION SHITTY SOUNDTRACK - GO8 BLOOD SAUSAGE - FUNERAL BEACH7 GREEN DAY - !UNO6 CONVERGE - ALL WE LOVE WE LEAVE BEHIND5 PIERCE THE VEIL - COLLIDE WITHTHE SKY4 WHILE SHE SLEEPS- THIS IS THE SIX3 ANATHEMA - WEATHER SYSTEMS2 DEFTONES - KOI NO YOKAN1 ENTER SHITARI - A FLASHFLOOD OF COLOUR
― Neil S, Friday, 14 December 2012 12:35 (eleven years ago) link