i think both might work with someone like ny, who wouldn't prettify it so much as, um, icify it? talking of ny i really cannot get enough of her vocal on 'fallin' again' - when she starts riffing on "free" at the end is just, you know, tears unfrosting eyes
― lex pretend, Thursday, 14 August 2008 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link
that seany b 'lift me up' track needs to appear on the internet/seany b's myspace/anywhere else
― deej, Thursday, 14 August 2008 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link
words of truth
― Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2008 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link
to paraphrase the bulk of this thread, wine bar is a feeling.
(i did have the exact same reservations as you about using it, actually, but i dont think modernity has furnished us with an equivalent term for the 'whatever the weather' type places, usually populated by funky-minded down-to-earth spanish and indeed, australian type folk. and lots of english too, tbf. but never russian. does anyone know what i'm on about.)
not so big on 'every step'. to me it has a sort of rng pointlessness that only melts away when the breakdown comes and the lady's accent goes overly british (you mooo me, my eyes if they shuh, woaaan stop ur touch etc), whereupon it then just becomes broken beat. which is more palatable for some reason. maybe i just find the sample wearying.
regarding 'unfinished business', i'm sure warrior queen has an opening in her schedge - here's hopin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― r|t|c, Thursday, 14 August 2008 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
like, the notting hill arts club is not a wine bar. you know exactly what it is though. what is it?
― r|t|c, Thursday, 14 August 2008 16:14 (fifteen years ago) link
mr mathz' other tune is more classicist and is also extremely good. bit like the 'leader/what goes around' balance - would it be fair to say him and fuzzy logik are the the few who are internalizing funky's divergences rather than just doing their own thing? on a track to track basis, at least.
― r|t|c, Thursday, 14 August 2008 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Has anyone been recording the last couple weeks?
I've yet to get the 1xtra player to work for me, reading these tracklists and not being able to listen in is getting frustrating.
― Siah Alan, Thursday, 14 August 2008 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link
i would love some kind of vocal element on 'Mr Bean' - doesn't have to be much
― blueski, Thursday, 14 August 2008 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
what about the 'oh na na na' vocal version by orthodox on the b-side of the mr bean 12"? i don't think i've seen anyone mention it. i like it, but i don't know much about recent dancehall so my standards could be low.
― paul nomos, Thursday, 14 August 2008 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link
"mr mathz' other tune is more classicist and is also extremely good. bit like the 'leader/what goes around' balance - would it be fair to say him and fuzzy logik are the the few who are internalizing funky's divergences rather than just doing their own thing? on a track to track basis, at least."
Yeah I think this is right - probably Malice too.
I don't exactly have reservations about "wine bar" as a descriptor - although I've primarily seen it used on dissensus so I always initially hear it with an implied dissensian sneer. I'm just trying to visualise precisely what it refers to in my head. I don't think it works this way in Australia really - a "wine bar" here would more likely play something with a stronger veneer of respectability than "funky house" (in the conventional sense of the term) - perhaps Buddha Bar, or if they were going more uptempo they might plump for breakbeat. If I wanted funky house i'd go to either a big commercial club (like the ones in our city's casino complex) or to a hairdressing salon. In fact "hairdresser house" (as opposed to "haircut house") is a term I've used before to describe that kind of sound.
― Tim F, Thursday, 14 August 2008 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Notting Hill Arts Club isn't "Wine Bar" it's "organic shoes".
― Jacobw, Friday, 15 August 2008 10:29 (fifteen years ago) link
posh organic shoes and overly sweet cocktails
― lex pretend, Friday, 15 August 2008 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link
wine bar makes me think more of sosho
dunno if people have seen but on his myspace Producer Mario has put up four of his best tracks for free d/l :)
― Benjamin, Friday, 15 August 2008 10:54 (fifteen years ago) link
"i can never decide whether vocals would be the icing on top of 'unfinished business' and 'mr bean', or would be a bad idea."
There is a vocal... Apple - Da Real Dutty Dance
― faze01, Saturday, 16 August 2008 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
The Guardian talks about you lot/funky house:
"Keen readers of music blogs and message boards that discuss the "hardcore continuum" in-depth and reference Foucault when talking about the latest song by Tempa T or some other incidental grime MC will know all about the "funky" scene currently engulfing the underground clubs and pirate radio stations of London. Those of you who have got real life friends and a social life probably won't."
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 10:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Is the "Apple = Jon E Cash making house" argument run in this article and on Blissblog (presumably the former ripped it from the latter) on point? It doesn't seem quite right to me, but I can't put my finger on why.
Mind you Simon R extended it to Roska which just seems obviously wrong.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 10:47 (fifteen years ago) link
The guy that wrote that Guardian piece is also Prancehall btw.
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 11:14 (fifteen years ago) link
i think Jon E Cash's name is just being used as shorthand for 8-bar. the main points of comparison i think are the abstract use of texture, heavy bass and blocky approach to rhythm / tracks, but these are hardly rare tendencies in grime!
my issue is that this kind of analysis (x is like y times z / x is like y if it tried to be z) is a ridiculously simplistic way of communicating what makes music feel a certain way, its an issue i often have with music writing... too often reductive posing as complete analysis (with value judgement attached), it cannot do justice to emotional or visceral response. its escape from this tendency is one of the reasons i love a lot of Simon Reynolds old writing so much!
― Benjamin, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 12:07 (fifteen years ago) link
to clarify, thats not an argument against writing about music, by any means, just against a very specific but prevalent tendency within it
― Benjamin, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 12:08 (fifteen years ago) link
on reflection over lunch the sentence about doing justice to emotional or visceral response doesn't really have a place there...
― Benjamin, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/f472518e3072d2a49c7ea620de3f7307be12ad5.gif
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:07 (fifteen years ago) link
diseensus poster posts link to 4yr old diseensiest ilx thread ever feat. disssensus mainstays. it's a par.
^ dyslexus.
any new sets about that arent footloose/rinse fm crew btw?
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link
i think i missed something...
― Benjamin, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:20 (fifteen years ago) link
lol, I never clicked the link in the Guardian article. I thought it was this thread being linked!
― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link
not sure i've been to sosho - pics look comparable to the upstairs bit of east village i guess? perhaps i meant those kinds of places too.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha ha some inadvertent astrology in that thread though. From yours truly:
Alternative: an R&B/garage/broken beat/house fusion a la Mis-Teeq's "Eye Candy" (the actual track) which strikes me as being simultaneously one of the most brazenly physical, most feminine, and most startlingly new-sounding things I heard of in '02. Although I never *did* find out who produced it (it was bizarrely and shamefully left off the Oz version of the album).
-- Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, January 24, 2004 7:37 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link
― Tim F, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link
dyslexus nexus
― deej, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link
for yr reference:
Mis-Teeq - Eye Candy.mp3
― Tim F, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link
This has been my entry point, and now I'm a little obsessed:
http://djcable.blogspot.com/2008/08/dj-cables-weekly-mix-30.html
Have tried some of the Marcus Nasty mixes (at least when Sendspace co-operates) but can't cope with his MC - is he on all of them?
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 28 August 2008 09:17 (fifteen years ago) link
He cycles through different MCs Mike - Rankin', Shantie, Quincy etc. - but uses an MC on all of them except (if I recall) the 1xtra mix, which may still be available for download upthread.
― Tim F, Thursday, 28 August 2008 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Yay, still available; I Googled 1xtra marcus nasty and was rewarded with a Megaupload.
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 28 August 2008 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Shantie is the most um interventionist of the MCs Marcus uses. Rankin and Quincy limit themselves to commentary and the occasional short chant.
― Tim F, Thursday, 28 August 2008 23:08 (fifteen years ago) link
so the ukfunky.com mp3 shop is in full swing now, including 320 kbps versions of malice's 'gabryelle' refix and 'speechless' by dj mystery. i tried my luck last night and the transaction was smooth. hope they keep building up the catalogue and getting more labels on board.
http://ukfunky.com/ukfunkydotcom_004.htm
― paul nomos, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
oh and, from the marcus nasty v mac10 set on rinse the other night...
why don't you take your broom, and sweep my yard, you better brush it good......
oh. my. days!! such a tune. no idea who it is. and mac10 says "this one's one away... you won't get this like this!"
such a monster set.
― paul nomos, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Paul that's probably "Work!" by Masters At Work, from 2002 I think. It's very much UK funky avant le lettre, and gets a lot of caning by funky DJs. Massive tune.
― Tim F, Thursday, 11 September 2008 04:42 (fifteen years ago) link
thanks tim. there's my lack of house pedigree showing.
here's the marcus/mac10 for anyone who can't get it from the rinse site: http://www.divshare.com/download/5327266-32a
― paul nomos, Thursday, 11 September 2008 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link
so the ukfunky.com mp3 shop is in full swing now
:D
― lex pretend, Thursday, 11 September 2008 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
i went to my first funky rave at the weekend btw. it was really super-awesome. everyone totally glammed up and really good vibes. bit school disco-ey at the start, everyone sort of...camped out around the edges of the dancefloor warily eyeing each other up, but it soon got packed. everyone went nuts for 'who's afraid of detroit' and 'my joy' but the moment when the dj dropped 'in the air' was OMG.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 11 September 2008 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link
where did you go lex?
― Benjamin, Thursday, 11 September 2008 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
the circle events one at purple e3...
― lex pretend, Thursday, 11 September 2008 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
cool, thanks, i keep meaning to get to one so im keen for recommendations. what is the club itself like? sorry for all the boring questions!
― Benjamin, Thursday, 11 September 2008 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
remember those purple e3 ads on rinse where mc supplier would shout for about 5 minutes straight?
"DRESS CODE IS SMART AND SEXYYY! NO RIPPED JEANS OR SPORTS WEAR! SMART TRAINERS ARE OHH-KAAY!
actually i'm curious about purple too since i might be over there in a few months.
― paul nomos, Thursday, 11 September 2008 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link
haha yeah the dress code in the email i got went on for a paragraph. no timberlands! no bapes! &c. club was nice, classy and glam (and clean! nice leather sofas to sit on) but not really flashy. everyone seemed to be drinking champagne. it's a monthly night i think, definitely recommend it. u need id though!
these are the dudes who put the night on, from what i gather they've been putting on house nights for years.
― lex pretend, Thursday, 11 September 2008 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link
ok cool, thanks! i have thus far been quite averse to the Circle cos of their overt conservatism regarding the newer styles and producers, but it'd probably be a great night out anyway :)
"SMART TRAINERS ARE OHH-KAAY!"
lol
― Benjamin, Friday, 12 September 2008 12:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Siegbran's post on here is just flat-out classic insular bubble-bursting
― fandango, Friday, 12 September 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link
i wish this stuff wasnt so pricey on 12".
― titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 21 September 2008 12:59 (fifteen years ago) link
anyone keeping up with funky? should be moving into peak season for great UKG releases or more likely advance radioplay, but there's still a problem with Footloose archives, affecting (select?) overseas listeners only? - I re-test it weekly (RA link doesn't work either). Tim, is the Footloose archive working for you? if so, may be a U.S.-only thing... (yet Cameo archive works fine)
themco to the rescue? any new sets from Aug onwards?
― Paul, Friday, 26 September 2008 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link
There's at least one new 2-hour Crazy Cousinz Rinse FM show, which they've put on Sendspace and linked from their MySpace blog. (I'd link directly, but MySpace is blocked from here.) It's good, as long as you can cope with the DJ chatter - which mainly consists of saying "Crazy Cousinz" a dozen times a minute for two hours....
― mike t-diva, Friday, 26 September 2008 11:21 (fifteen years ago) link