Why the hate for Sigur Ros?

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try playing that song on a piano or acoustic guitar and then tell me how 'great' it is

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

that does not happen to be the measure of a great song, thankfully.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

that acoustic guitar/good song theory has never really held water
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Anyone Who Can Pick Up A Frying Pan Pwns Death (AaronHz), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

Original text: rockist
Icelandic text: klettur, bjarg, hamar, berg, rokk, rugg, rugga, vagga, hrista, hristast

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

a piece of music can be interesting and even satisfying and not be a 'great song.' "Suzanne," "Thirteen," and "Tell Me Why" are great songs. "Four Violins," Disintegration Loops" and "Jerusalem" are all very awesome and amazing but not "great" "songs," ya dig what um sayin?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

and what exactly is the point of this argument?

Anyone Who Can Pick Up A Frying Pan Pwns Death (AaronHz), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

nothing. Just that Sigur Ros has neither 'great songs' nor "very awqesome and amazing songs," but I'll accept someone having the opinion that they excel at the latter but not the former. Because I DO believe the "acoustic guitar theory" holds water. OK?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Someone told me that Sven-G-Englar was a brilliant track, the other day, and it just didn't occur to me that any reaction other than "Yes! Wow! Awesome!" was even like remotely possible. I mean okay yes yes sometimes they do go on a bit but Sven-G-Englar people!

Anyone Who Can Pick Up A Frying Pan Pwns Death (AaronHz), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

oops ok sorry substitute the word 'great' for the far more sensational 'brilliant,' then. Satisfied?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

Look closer at the word after "brilliant".

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 26 February 2005 05:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

i can mostly take or leave them but i Do love "Vidrar Vel Til Loftarasa" (over "Svefn..." anyway).

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 26 February 2005 13:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Olsen Olsen" is nice.

Anyone Who Can Pick Up A Frying Pan Pwns Death (AaronHz), Saturday, 26 February 2005 13:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha julio used to be so ANGRY!!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 February 2005 13:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

i don't hate them anymore. they just leave me completely cold now. i have given the cd away to a friend btw. somehow she liked them in the beginning but she kind of understood my pov and likes them less now...

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 26 February 2005 14:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

aaaw good for you...

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Rizz (Rizz), Saturday, 26 February 2005 14:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

Where is Sigur Ros?

new album out this year for all you fans of good music

Rizz (Rizz), Saturday, 26 February 2005 14:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

actually i know now the main reason why i hated them so much. there seemed to be a magical mystery behind their music at first listen. when i found out that it was all fabric softener for the ears i felt cheated. they fucked with my feelings.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 26 February 2005 14:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Noodling= a groove that goes nowhere and is just there to fill up space (just like concrete) is produced?

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 26 February 2005 14:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha julio used to be so ANGRY!!

I can actually imagine him saying all of the stuff on this thread with a broad un-malicious smile, though!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 26 February 2005 15:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

i know sean!! he is KING of "oh i get it, sweetheart not git" when you meet him in person

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 February 2005 15:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

a piece of music can be interesting and even satisfying and not be a 'great song.' "Suzanne," "Thirteen," and "Tell Me Why" are great songs. "Four Violins," Disintegration Loops" and "Jerusalem" are all very awesome and amazing but not "great" "songs," ya dig what um sayin?

when did roger turn into Geir?

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 26 February 2005 17:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Come on, Sigur Ros are just the Cocteau Twins without the annoying vocals.

Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Saturday, 26 February 2005 18:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

JOKE

Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Saturday, 26 February 2005 18:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

i like a.b. but was never all that hot on ().

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 26 February 2005 18:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Four Violins," Disintegration Loops" and "Jerusalem" are all very awesome and amazing but not "great" "songs,"

to the first two, yes, they are not songs nor were they ever meant to be, you couldnt play them on an acoustic guitar, yr right. Jerusalem however is a very great song indeed - whether you can play it well on the piano (and i'm sure you could) does not affect that.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 26 February 2005 18:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

Does the acoustic guitar rule count on non-Western musics? Those crazy Chinese can't write songs for shit then, Roger?

Ferlin Husky (noodle vague), Saturday, 26 February 2005 18:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

from The Complete Idiot's Guide To Music Theory:

Song A song, in classical music, is a short and self-contained piece for one or more voices; it can be accompanied or not, and either sacred or secular in nature. In popular music, however, just about any musical composition (vocal or instrumental) is called a song.

Anyone Who Can Pick Up A Frying Pan Pwns Death (AaronHz), Saturday, 26 February 2005 19:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

I'm a big fan. Loved them the first time I heard them, just before ágætis byrjun came out, ( ) is one of my 5 favouritest albums ever, Takk took a while to grow on me but I now totally get it.

I saw the screening + acoustic set they did in Ghent of the DVD they've got coming out next week, it's stunningly breathtaking ( trailer here: http://www.heimafilm.com ), the Hvarf/Heim reworkings are superb ( listen here: http://www.myspace.com/sigurros ) - more info about Heima/Hvarf/Heim here: http://sigur-ros.co.uk/band/disco/heima.php

I understand the hate, on paper/in theory I should hate them too, I shouldn't like anything about them, but it just works and I love them.

ok, start hating again, everyone :-(

StanM, Monday, 29 October 2007 06:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't hate them. When anyone asks me to name some of my favourite artists, I always (always!) forget about Sigur Rós, but usually when I'm alone and in a certain pensive mood for which even Radiohead are too upbeat (ha!) and Joy Division are too heavy-dark, I'll rediscover something like "Starálfur" or "Olsen Olsen" or "Njósnavélin" or "Glósóli" etc., and be half-pleasantly, half-unsettlingly transported again into a half-world of ambient orchestral underground caverns in which the very twisted columns are built from crystalline sugar -- granted, haha -- but which also deflect, reflect and echo some kind of ebbing, flowing hesitant/grandiose beauty.

So yeah, at times, I really do like and even love Sigur Rós, recognising the "pretentious noodling" tag as being really very ridiculous indeed. I.e./ they're not noodling at all and who the fuck cares about pretentious?

Lostandfound, Monday, 29 October 2007 07:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

I suppose I should also say I've been a long-time Yes and Cocteau Twins fan (respectively, from Close To The Edge and Garlands onward, really) so much so that so-called whale music has never been alien to me. It's a definite prog streak that, if you're not onboard with it, precludes you from loving the Icelandic chamber music (cosmic inflation-collapse) Sigur Rós specialise in. They're hit and miss in terms of timing and pacing and all that subjective shite, though. F'rinstance right now I'm listening to a song by them called "Flugufrelsarinn" and it's taken waaa-aaa-aay too long to reach the sublime payoff before dissipating waaa-aaa-ay too quickly. Although undoubtedly painfully gorgeous while it lasted.

Lostandfound, Monday, 29 October 2007 07:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Why the hate people?
-- Gregg, Monday, March 11, 2002 7:00 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

Because it's ambient noodling for fuck's sake. Use your ears.
-- Julio desouza, Monday, March 11, 2002 7:00 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

One of my favorite immediate answers to an ILM thread, ever ^^^

As for the band -- wouldn't say I'm a fan, don't own anything they've done, don't love em or hate em. Sigur Ros is just one of those indie institutions (so to speak) that is perpetually overrated by the kids who haven't found artists who have done/are doing what Sigur Ros is doing, but infinitely better.

stephen, Monday, 29 October 2007 08:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, this is a critical and undervoiced position: Agaetis Byrjun versus "Blue Skied and Clear." I'm really not one for the whole "someone did that ten years ago so it's not good now" arguments, but I suspect that on some level this is why Sigur Ros strike me as good but inessential.
-- [ban me], Monday, March 11, 2002 7:00 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

[ban me] OTM, as usual, waaaaaay upthread.

(Going back to that "is there any good music writing left?" thread: Is [ban me] currently writing for anyone? Last saw a Pfork review by him at least a year ago, can't recall much else. Love his writing though, and generally agree with his tastes.)

stephen, Monday, 29 October 2007 08:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

(...why was N*tsuh changed to [ban me]??)

stephen, Monday, 29 October 2007 08:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

lets cyberfuck

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 29 October 2007 08:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

tl;dr

stephen, Monday, 29 October 2007 09:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

Sigur Ros may be the only act on the ILM hate list that does not write traditional verse-chorus-based songs.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 29 October 2007 10:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

their albums can be kind of dull but they were amazing live a few years back, i was shocked. i think they work much better in a live setting, surprisingly.

akm, Monday, 29 October 2007 13:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't know how I feel about them, but I will say that they've never really sounded at all like anything anyone on ILM has compared them to. Their layers of vocals that distort as they grow louder really don't sound anything like the Cocteau Twins or any shoe-gazing band. Like it or hate it, it's definitely its own thing.

filthy dylan, Monday, 29 October 2007 13:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

Agaetis Byrjun was pretty good, I thought, but ( ) was better. I also thought they were pretty amazing live when I saw them maybe 4 years ago. Heard bits and pieces of Takk but it never really stuck.

I think the hate towards them often just amounts to kind of silly, knee-jerk reactions - "fuckin new age innit?!?" "fuckin ambient prog noodling" bla bla, come on guys. There is plenty of great stuff that could be saddled with the new age or prog labels, and shouting those labels was/is never a good substitute for decent criticism. That said I suppose the hate is just backlash towards the hyperbolic praise given to them from the indie press, and now I guess from the NPR crowd.

But decent enough ambient/post-rock band, even if there are a few songs that sound a little syrupy.

Mark Clemente, Monday, 29 October 2007 13:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

Pulled from the Stylus archives today, in the Bluffer's Guide to Stylus retrospective:

Haiku Marathon 2005 (Stylus Staff)
Sigur Ros
Just one step away
From being Enya, you daft
Secret hippy scum!

stephen, Monday, 29 October 2007 15:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

M83 are similar in some ways (large swelling orchestral cosmic ambience). I don't listen to NPR so maybe I've missed the backlash urge. (I'm not American.)

But, regardless, they sometimes hit heights of beauty that cause me to lose control of my entire skin. Which, for the most part, means they are a lot better than the ILM massive has traditionally given them credit for -- there was one poster who always, always posted on Sigur Rós threads and completely took the fucking piss out of them to the extent that any casual observer would think they were utterly dismissed here, which was not altogether fair.

Lostandfound, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 08:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

(i.e. Search "Sigur Rós" and you'll see one name crop up consistently... in a negative way, obv.)

Lostandfound, Tuesday, 30 October 2007 08:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

my boss listening to these guys on high volume this morning. i don't liek!

carne asada, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 15:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

Caught their BBC Electric Proms performance the other night; seem to remember enjoying the record on first few listens, but live they seemed to expose the song for what it really was; i.e. no real backbone, in other words, what [ban me] mentioned at the start of the thread.

tissp, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 15:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

it sounds like new age crap. is that waht they were going for?

carne asada, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 15:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

Ok then, but don't let their music put you off from viewing Heima, the views of Iceland are breathtaking (and it may add something to the music as well).

StanM, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 16:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://gigwise.com/contents.asp?contentid=36563

StanM, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 16:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh come on. I'm a big fan, but this is WAY over the top, anonymous (why?) writer:

"To make all this a bit more concise: Sigur Rós are arguably the best music band in the world today."

http://www.ireland.com/theticket/articles/2007/1026/1193293628660.html

StanM, Thursday, 1 November 2007 12:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well sure, they might be the best music band, but that's only one of like how many kinds of bands?

call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 November 2007 14:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

There's a trailer I keep seeing at the moment for a BBC4 documentary about photography, which uses a track I'm sure must be by Sigur Ros because it's got those eeeeeeoooooooooooooeeeeeeeee vocals. But it's loud, and quite fast, and I like it. Can anyone ID it?

JimD, Thursday, 1 November 2007 15:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Got a friend's ticket to their show at MSG last night, a more muscular performance than expected. Between that and this single, genuinely looking forward to this album.

thistle supporter (mcoll), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

They played the title track on Jimmy Fallon the other night and it's pretty intense, too.

Austin, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

New album out today.

djh, Monday, 17 June 2013 20:10 (10 months ago) Permalink

Have the vinyl on reserve for pick up on Wednesday. Oh yes, it will be a good day.

Austin, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 01:13 (10 months ago) Permalink

album is great

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 01:14 (10 months ago) Permalink

Not really doing it for me.

djh, Saturday, 29 June 2013 22:35 (9 months ago) Permalink

it's a neat album, but i think valtari was a bit better.

BringTheAuBonPain, Saturday, 29 June 2013 23:29 (9 months ago) Permalink

i liked the riceboysleepiness of valtari.

the opening track on this one kind of announces itself and then ... the album goes nowhere.

djh, Sunday, 30 June 2013 18:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Loved Valtari .. but the Valtari Film Experiment did nothing for me whatsoever - actually, it was at risk of making Valtari slightly less good.

djh, Sunday, 18 August 2013 21:43 (8 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Surprised to hear Sigur Ros in a cream cheese advert ...

djh, Monday, 23 September 2013 18:51 (6 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Having completed a Gus Gus best of, now making a CDR80 of Sigur Ros.

djh, Friday, 29 November 2013 23:21 (4 months ago) Permalink


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