― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael B, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael B, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:10 (nineteen years ago) link
NEUTRAL milk hotel! *winks*
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:13 (nineteen years ago) link
Bah, humbug.
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 10:53 (nineteen years ago) link
(Possible answer: JA music seems to be on a tip of continuously re-telling / mythologising the present day...).
― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Conor (Conor), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link
oh for the days of coffin ships and potato famines.
ps kilian, thank you, you lovely man, you.
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Roy Keane to thread!
There's plenty of romantic sentimentalisation of Africa in Jamaican music though DS, yes? So it's really the Irishness which you find cloying?
― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link
Ummmm, did The Pogues actually reflect the genuine experience of Irishness and being Irish or did they (and similarly The Men They Couldn't Hang) not in actual fact reflect the (inevitably somewhat distorted and romanticised) impression of Irishness and being Irish that you'd get from growing up (as most of them did) as 2nd generation Irish immigrants listening to their ex-pat. parents sentimental reminiscences about their home land?
Please note I'm not trying to detract from the Pogues in any way, merely to identify them as what they were - a bunch of London punks with Irish parents.
Stiff Little Fingers and Saw Doctors OTM.
How about The Chieftains, The Dubliners, Christy Moore?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link
... this is kind of my point: that's been one of the key experiences of 'Irishness' for a long time, hasn't it?
Dave, I was trying to make conversation because I'm interested in this subject: I wasn't trying to shut you up.
― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link
Christy Moore is a good nomination, for this thread. Probably the best I can think of.
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link
I dunno about "Irishness" - it seems to be a basic element of human nature that people of all nationalities become increasingly anxious to develop and cling to an increasingly romantic and idealised version of their homeland the longer they're away from the dreary realities of it, yes.
I imagine that if I were forced to spend the rest of my days on some horrible Caribbean island right now, within a couple of years I'd probably start singing mournful songs about how much I miss the joys of driving 'round the M25; the efficiency of South West Trains; the exemplary levels of cleanliness, service and excellent cuisine at the Moto services on the M4; and the wonderfully refreshing rain that occasionally interrupts the glorious sunshine than glints enticingly off the abandoned shopping trolleys that have been dumped in the Kennet canal.
There again....
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Graeme (Graeme), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stephen Boyle (SBoyle), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link
This makes it sound like Ireland needs a Manic Street Preachers.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm saying we don't need a house band at all. My thesis is that we no longer have any stories worth singing about.
Actually, there's a native comedy troupe who occasionally appear (Mighty Wind-style) as fake-folkie balladeers, satirising the whiny, recriminatory self-pity that pervades so much of Ireland's "trad" songbook.They're called The Hairy Bowsies*, and their songs tackle Perfidious Albion (Ye Dirty English Bastards) and sacred cows such as the 1916 Rising (The Craic We Had The Day We Died For Ireland) and the Potato Famine (Jaysus, The Spuds Aren't Lookin' The Best).
(*"Bowsie" is a Dublin slangword connoting a man of low breeding and unpleasant personal habits.)
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 20 May 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― robin (robin), Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 20 May 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
philomena begley
― gershy, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I always wondered if "the ambulance . . . took little Jim away" in the Undertones' song because he committed suicide or because a bomb got him.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:37 (sixteen years ago) link
What, no-one's mentioned The Cranberries yet :-)
― ailsa, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:43 (sixteen years ago) link
No Foster and Allen? It's a disgrace, so it is.
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Re: The supposed Irishness of the Pogues. The line-up in their mid-80's heyday was as follows:
Shane McGowan who was born in Tunbridge Wells James Fearnley who was born in Manchester Spider Stacey who was born in Eastbourne Jem Finer who was born in Stoke Andrew Ranken who was born in London Cait O'Riordan who was born in Nigeria (before moving to London) Darrell Hunt who was born in Hampshire
but(although he didn't join till Rum, Sodomy etc).... Phil Chevron was born in Dublin YAAAAAY!
― everything, Thursday, 24 May 2007 08:35 (sixteen years ago) link
A lot of 19th century National Romantic composers, painters and authors preferred to live outside their home countries.
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 24 May 2007 08:37 (sixteen years ago) link
ahem
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
both Dad Punk tbf
― a very powerful woman in the dog world (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
Theres nothing blindingly original about them (and why does that have to be the be all and end all) by any means but I love them. "Boys in the better land" is a banger
― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 21:23 (four years ago) link
And yes the lyrics do address what it's like to live in late '10s Dublin
― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
listening to them for the first time coincidentally. keep reminding me of the hold steady.
― thomasintrouble, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
I definitely think Republic of Loose were responding to some idea of ''Irishness" in a more complex and nuanced way than Bono would have you believe:
"The Celtic twilight turned into Celtic soul with Van Morrison. Republic of Loose grabbed the Celtic tiger by the tail, swung it around their heads and threw it out the window into the cosmos. They're sophisticated soul bootboys."
― Deflatormouse, Saturday, 21 December 2019 04:36 (four years ago) link
Cruelty Man
Once there was the cruelty manThe whip of the state in his handsCreeping round the halting site to steal their infancyIf they held out in the ditches well then come the mornThey had to move on againBrush that history down the shore, disinfect the corridorsMother she is fallen & the father is unknownSuperior vile she burnt the files, left a generation in tatters
They’re rising, they’re rising, their chances of survivingWhat’s really after happening in the fields?
A young one that was raped so youngTook decades to discover her tongueTouch me daughter sergeant & I’ll break your fucking kneesYou’re the bastion of misogynyProtected by the baton of ignorance
The parish is rising, the parish is risingIn the diocese & the villages that were poisonedThe parish is rising, the parish is risingTo find out what has happened in the fields
What kind of mind debased & rankBuries babies in a septic tank
If there’s a heaven father then you’re going to fuckin hellYou may not have signed off the heinous crimesBut pulled down the blinds when they came for the answers
They’re rising, they’re their chances of survivingWhat’s really after happening in the fields?
They’re rising, they’re rising but no-one’s televisingWhat’s really after happening in the fields?
― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 24 December 2019 02:30 (four years ago) link
I'm posting this here because this is one of the few threads that's ever mentioned Christy Moore. I did a bit of a rabbit-hole dive on him recently — I was aware of him and love "Ride On," but hadn't really listened to much. In the course of that, the song that really leapt out at me was "Bright Blue Rose," which (like "Ride On") is a Jimmy MacCarthy song. Apparently kind of a modern standard in Ireland? Anyway, it's a beautiful tune and just wanted to call attention to it. I guess it somewhat fits this thread because its soaked in a sort of mystical literary Catholicism that feels very Irish to me. This is Christy and Jimmy singing it together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glGdAwGBt8s
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 12 March 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
Anyone listening to Kneecap from Ireland
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/music/kneecap-irish-rap-celtic-revival.html
― curmudgeon, Monday, 2 October 2023 16:02 (six months ago) link
Yeah I like them
― I’m going to get fined for being right, again (gyac), Monday, 2 October 2023 16:09 (six months ago) link
ctrl-F "Planxty" HWAT/?
― ian, Monday, 2 October 2023 16:26 (six months ago) link