Will Oldham Interview

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Then I am a cockfarmer because I've stiffed a couple of motherfuckers in my lifetime (sorry? if you were one of them but you deserved it).

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

I dunno, if you don't tip and it's not because of some bad service issue then yeah, yer a cockfarmer far as I'm concerned. Altho the way that exchanged was described in the interview I got the impression Oldham didn't know who was paying for it...? And if his expenses were being covered then why NOT tip...?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sorry to derail the thread. I haven't waitressed or anything, but *in most cases* I think it's a very snotty and dismissive sort of thing to do. But it's not like he took a chainsaw to anyone...

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― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

I've often resolved not to tip when I've received egregiously poor service, but when the bill finally arrives I always include something, even if a bit reduced from the normal percentage. It's ingrained from my days working as a pizza delivery guy in high school.

― Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wasn’t the point that - *all* - Narratives are affected, at least all those that aren't freestyle autobiography stream of consciousness, and people - *journalists* - should be prepared/eager to question these narratives and their purposes and intentions..?

I'm glad nothing i say up off the top of my head is archived on the world wide web and I’m never going to be challenged on my eccentric, post-grammatical use of *’s ever. Maybe.

― james porter (james porter), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

**** off.

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

no, seriously, otm james!

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

again I'd say "wot an asshole i am" in preface to anything else I might add BUT! in the broader context of the interview w/me from which those questions were taken: the question being posed to me was "what sort of questions do you wish people would ask you?" and my (overlong, needlessly venom-laden, fatigued) response was that I think songwriters oughta be asked why they do things the way they do 'em: using W.O. as an example, whose narrative strategies seemed (at the time, ca. '97 or '98 I think) eager to defer exactly that line of interrogation.

but again the main thing I take from all this is "John, shut your gaping pie-hole, you sound like a dick when you're running other ppl down"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

i should shut up too, but:

you should give those 3 arise therefore tracks a chance (esp. the peel session of "you have cum...")

a tip is recognition for good service.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

yeah gygax I bought the album and gave it a real chance - I dislike it strongly from stem to stern. like the latest one though!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

("master & everyone" I mean)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

i have to say, blame the interviewer. that was a setup if i've ever seen one. sure oldham goes off, but what do you expect. that's his instant reaction. the interviewer stripped the quote of any context and surely thinks he's quite clever for pitting oldham vs. darnielle.

― Gregory T (tubesocks), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

you don't have to tip for room service generally as gratuity is usually included in the bill.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

i love you hstencil.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ian did you know the library sleeper?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

can't say i did.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

how about the chick pot dealer?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

my ex sells pot.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

no, the one that was in the Post today who got busted.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

nope, don't know her. though i wish i did, as apparently she had acid!

― Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

Will Oldham is a depressingly obvious person.

― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

And I loved how John's comments were so true they flusstered Will.

― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm Switzerland here, but I think that the meat of what John was saying in that interview is one of the most OTM things ever. I remember Matt Valentine telling me once that he misses the days when bands were booed off the stage. And I think if you asked many contemporary 'artists' working within the confines of the indieTM underground WHY they do what they do, the lion's share would be reduced to stuttering dipshits.

Nothing wrong with a little constructive shit-talking anyway (tho I disagree with John's target - Arise Therfore is brilliant!!)

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

asking people to define why they do what they do seems to be pretty "unpunk."

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

what about when jermaine asked 'why don't you do what you do when you did what you did to me?'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

punk?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

or just smooth as hell?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

Jermaine = total punk
Michael = Jermaine's bitch

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

word to the badd!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't want to imagine the sexual weirdness and hooligans that went on in the Jackson household. Very punkily unpunk, if you ask me.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

I disagree about well-meaning, constructive confrontation being unpunk. I think that to be truly punk, you need to question everything, whether its the government or your favorite band. I mean, why DO all these fucking people play music, anyway?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

why do you play music? And why do you tell people that you don't care what they think when you do? You can't have it both ways.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

that's a general you, of course.

Anyway, I think people take a totally neurotic position towards musicians. We want them to be artists, to challenge us, to do their own thing, but we also want to know why. It's totally bizarre.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

but i'm not approaching the question as a fan - i'm approaching it as an inquisitor - as an angry, jaded critic who's sick of seeing crap like The Rapture flooding an already overcrowded market with dreck. It's not, "Oh, Don Van Vliet, why are you SO great?" It's "Why, Hot Hot Heat, don't you just go get jobs pumping gas somewhere?"

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm not saying it shouldn't be asked, just that is part of larger, contradictory impulses.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

7 years pass...

http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/bookshelf-will-oldham-speaks

On not licensing his songs to filmmakers:
“I’ve never been into the idea of taking a song that belongs in one place and putting it into a totally foreign, totally different context. People are constantly contacting me saying, ‘I’ve been editing my movie, and I’ve been using your song in the process. What would it take to license the song?’ And for me it’s like, ‘Regardless of what you’ve been doing, my song doesn’t belong in your movie.’”

― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

cant believe john likes master and everyone better than arise therefor what a raincloud with raincloud shoes

― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

no hes rite

― Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

i kind of like "raincloud with raincloud shoes" -- are we sure it was a diss.

― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

no hes rite

― Lamp, Tuesday, April 3, 2012 1:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg this is so messed up man

― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

i feel like the world and for sure ilx would be a better place if john had intensified the feud instead of being so sensible abt it

― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

could've called an album Arise Therefore (And Kiss My Ass)

― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 17:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

retire therefor

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