Ned, let's talk about your 136 Albums of the 90s.

Only these 10 picks suck arse. Everything else is
top-notch, thanks1

Kudos for boosting Ride and James, two bands that never get
enough respect.

It does, but I was bringing personal baggage to that statement (again). SAW II upsets me. It puts me in a strange place, whereas SAW I puts me in a happy place.

Oops.

I understand the idea of it being "your favorites," but in that area, I'd recommend listening to more hip hop before ranking PM Dawn at 26.

I suppose I'm crazy to ask the whereabouts of Midnight Mauraders, Stress: Extinction Agenda, The Chronic, 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, Mecca and the Soul Brother, Pharcyde, ANY Gang Starr album, Digable Planets, Doggystyle, Black Bastards, Funcrusher Plus, Vagina Diner, Runaway Slave, The Infamous, Aquemini, Ready To Die, Supreme Clientele, Reasonable Doubt, We Can't Be Stopped, Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Death Certificate, Fear of a Black Planet, Apocalypse 91, Endtroducing, etc. etc. etc....

Lars, tis oh so wrong. Let me count the ways....

I don't think you do get the concept.

no. it may have large prof, but this stinks.

RIMSHOT! [pun intended!]

I'm quite positive I do.
He's reviewing hip hop from a rock critic's perspective - thus all the criticisms of Jim Dero for considering PM Dawn to be the height of hip hop...

"no. it may have large prof, but this stinks."

Nonsense.
Akinyele is good shit.
"I luh her" is classic.

I actually do like some individual songs (and much to my surprise, have all the albums still) but I have never understood or felt a connection to the abject worship.

SAW II upsets me. It puts me in a strange place

Precisely why I love it so.

I suppose I'm crazy to ask the whereabouts of...

I actually own about...*counts*...twelve, thirteen of those on that list and have heard most of the rest. I would include Ready to Die on a revised list at least (Tupac, no). Entroducing is a fantastic and wonderful goth album.

Biggest flaw in the list is that Ned doesn't go off into infinity re: "Mogwai Fear Satan."

That would take a while.

But then, he wouldn't need to rate the other 135. Since that list also has diamonds from DM and Pulp in there, that would be a travesty.

You're looking for more abject formalism in my approach than I ever intended, for a start.

Wrongo.

Explain yourself.

...used to have but sold (don't much care for any more): 6, 16, 24
...used to have but lost (wouldn't might having again): 8
...still have but rarely listen to: 53, 85
...still have and like: 86

...have never owned and probably never will: pretty much the rest

Conclusion: Not much overlap with my tastes.

It's called 'opinion,' see... (While I see what you're trying to get at, might I also note that I could argue that 'if you knew the cultural and musical history behind British created rock and roll then you would see that blah blah blah,' but I would also sound pretty goddamn ridiculous.)

haha, Tweezerland

I just love that mistake! I refuse to correct it.

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See, but I don't think it is particularly ridiculous. I think if someone wanted to really understand music, they would make some sort of attempt at learning the backgrounds of other groups and cultures. What made you decide to listen to the music that you have listed here? A certain number of socioeconomic, cultural and geographic and era-based influences. Different factors went into it - largely who you've discussed music with and the people you learned about music from. I'd advocate learning about other musical forms from the ground up - evaluating them based on the aesthetic by which they are judged by those who are a part of the culture, and THEN bringing your own bias into it, rather than deciding based on a preconcieved set of notions about "good" music. I certainly don't consider myself to be a picture of this judgement myself - I basically listen to Jazz and hip hop, and am learning about other music now (I just heard Can for the first time the other day) - but on the other hand, I'm not the one creating the big-ass list.

Of course, I suppose these kinds of lists are going to be suggestive of what you've been exploring musically...but if you HAVE heard these albums, my question is - why do you think it is that you feel Oasis is the better band?

Oh, and Nicolars - look up, something just flew over your head.

I think it's closer than that.

If you're suggesting I am this person, you are wrong-o.
I post as djdee2005 on sound opinions.
I'm not trying to get in a fight hear.
Just bouncing ideas around.
People need to relax.

"What caused you to think that, Jess? And do you think there's an inherent value to a particular music simply because it was made by black people?"

I hope this isn't directed at me in some way...because this is far from what I'm suggesting.

What a clever unintentional pun.

Sure do!

What a clever unintentional pun.

Good god. I just read that, didn't I.

"Good god. I just read that, didn't I."

Tongue firmly planted in cheek sir.

As for Beatles there is absolutely NOTHING about Boyzone to make them
deserve a comparision to The Fab Four.

Never EVER has ONE single Beatles member EVER written something that is
even remotely close to a MOR ballad. Paul McCartney is into clever chord
changes, and has always been able to stay away from the cliches always used
by the likes of Boyzone.

No. Three. But we're not your enemies. We LIKE you.

I'll probably get to that some time tonight, Felcher, fret not.

Someone with an unbelievable voicemail from me blown six stories high.

god, i wish. changing phone companies meant losing that "restraining order-worthy" voicemail.

ilxor, try google.

25. Organized Konfusion - Stress: The Extinction Agenda dunno how this measures up to the debut, which is really solid

shakey it more than measures up, classic shit iMO

Gotcha. Hi there!

xp

Dude I'm sorry about that for what it's worth. I hope you found the headspace to laugh it off.

no worries. i'm more pissed that i didn't make an mp3 of it for the internet to enjoy.

I'm sure this has been covered on one of the Disco Inferno threads but I'm interested to know how highly Ned rates Technicolour? I know he and most people seem to prefer DI Goes Pop but having In Debt in the list and not Technicolour is really surprising. I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.

I was shocked to see Menswe@r so high. I was obsessed with that band at the time even to the point where I bought the second album. I recently put Nuisance on and was disappointed at how much I wanted to skip.

I really rate DI Goes Pop but I love Technicolour so much more.

^^

Technicolour is what it is. I feel strangely neutral about it.

OMG this thread.

Memories, corners of mind.