Superhero Filmmakers: Where's Our Watchmen?

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apparently snyder slipped pic that in the 300 extended trailer

latebloomer, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah that's how i came across it (uh)

blueski, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

seems like they're actually setting all this in the alternate 1985 of the comic:

http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=9172

latebloomer, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Your movie audience is basically where your comic book audience was when the graphic novel was written

i think Snyder is kinda right here!

blueski, Friday, 9 March 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Although superhero films tend to be more jaded, self-aware and (occasionally) subversive than mainstream comics were in the mid-eighties.

chap, Friday, 9 March 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno about that. the 80s was a pretty adventurous time for comics.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 March 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but it was mainly going on around the margins and in Brit comics till Watchmen/DKR. You had groundbreaking mainstream writers like Claremont, I guess, but on the whole there wasn't any of the knowing winkery which Watchmen helped bring to comics, and which is present in the majority of superhero movies.

chap, Friday, 9 March 2007 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Cerebus has a ton of self-referential stuff goin on in it but yeah - on the margins for sure (I only mention it cuz I've been re-reading High Society lately)

anyway I can't see this film not sucking horribly.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 March 2007 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Agreed. An animated High Society film, on the other hand, would be amazing.

chap, Friday, 9 March 2007 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Cruise as Ozymandias?!?

*shoots self*

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 March 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

(sorry I just read that Snyder interview bit)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 March 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe they are still trying to do this as a movie.

Alex in SF, Friday, 9 March 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

well you know Hollywood, loathe to let fo of "hot properties" and all that

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 March 2007 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, they should do it as a Broadway musical!

HI DERE, Friday, 9 March 2007 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a very dim memory of once making a poor attempt to write lyrics for a watchmen musical on ILC.

chap, Friday, 9 March 2007 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha I was thinking that it might be possible as an HBO series. But you can't cram 12 very dense issues into a 3 hour movie.

Alex in SF, Friday, 9 March 2007 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

HBO series is a better idea than a feature film - the book is definitely served well by its episodic nature (every other issue focused on a diff't character, etc.)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 March 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Also no studio pressure to shoehorn action sequences into what is essentially a detective story/character piece.

chap, Friday, 9 March 2007 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

haha

"shouldn't there be a car chase here?"

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 March 2007 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

What? Doctor Manhattan only blows up ONE guy's head?

chap, Friday, 9 March 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Superman Returns is going to be legendary

Dr. Superman, Sunday, 11 March 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

One movie doesn't make much sense but a trilogy might make more (than a TV series also).

blueski, Sunday, 11 March 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Christ, this is now actually in the production? I really can't see much good coming out of it. I mean, the V for Vendetta movie was better than I expected, but at least the comic had a straigthforward plot that was relatively easy to trim down to two hours, which isn't the case with Watchmen. Imagine, for example, if they decide to leave out the whole pirate comic story, since it doesn't contribute to the main plot.

Tuomas, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Is the Cruise as Ozymandias thing for real? Because that'd be a brilliant cating choice! He just needs to do the smug thing he's so good at.

Tuomas, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah why would you cast aaron eckhart when you can pay 400x as much for an idiot loon who needs platform shoes and hair dye to even start to look right for the part?

I'm going to give you guys credit that you can go compare and contrast aaron eckhart's resume with the character of adrian veidt without my help

TOMBOT, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

at any rate yeah this is going to be completely god-awful

TOMBOT, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Well Zack Snyder is directing it so I wouldn't expect anything else.

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Cruise it not playing Ozymandius, I think it was just a rumour. I read somewhere that Snyder intends to include the pirate comic, which I would've thought would be the first thing to go.

chap, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoops, I should've read that interview before posting, because the pirate thing is mentioned there:

You’re really going to shoot the Tales from the Black Freighter, huh?

That’s my hope. My hope is to shoot the Tales from the Black Freighter as a supplement for the DVD, for the ‘real’ Watchmen.


Funnily enough, if they leave it out, that'll make the story more open-ended than the supposedly open "I leave into your hands" ending of the comic, since the pirate story serves as (among other things) Moore's condemnation of Veidt's actions.

Tuomas, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm actually glad Greengrass isn't doing this either, actually. He's a million times better than Snyder, but I'd rather see him make his proposed film about Vietnam War Ambush/Dow Chemical Protest or even the third Bourne film.

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

three hours might be do-able, but not 100-120 minutes.

That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Superman Returns is going to be legendary, unless it's a Waterworld, but I doubt it.

yeah, this was my fave bit, among S_P's many genius postings here

kingfish, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Superman Returns is better than Waterworld. Marginally.

chap, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh that's such a bunch of BULLSHIT what you just said

TOMBOT, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

All it is is Supes lifting progressively heavier objects with some boring stuff in between. I liked the bit with the plane, though.

chap, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

it comes down to kevin spacey vs. dennis hopper, though. waterworld was a lot more enjoyable.

TOMBOT, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/niven/142/img/op4401.jpg

UPDATES:

-Filming allegedly begins in September with a modified (inferior, apprently) modification of David Hayter's script.
-No one is cast yet, but Gerard Butler will still be in the film, Cruise still possible for Veidt, and maybe: Thomas Jane, Keanu (Dr. Manhattan?), Jude Law (Veidt).

I want Mel Gibson for the Comedian.

poortheatre, Sunday, 1 July 2007 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link

yes, a modified modification.

poortheatre, Sunday, 1 July 2007 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Jesus H. Just film it, release it direct to DVD and ignore it.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 1 July 2007 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link

HBO really needs to wise up and buy the rights to this

river wolf, Sunday, 1 July 2007 02:42 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.rorschachsjournal.com/

latebloomer, Sunday, 1 July 2007 03:01 (sixteen years ago) link

HBO needs to wise up and buy rights to a lot of comics. this, but i want an HBO series of 100 bullets really badly.

max, Sunday, 1 July 2007 03:07 (sixteen years ago) link

animated spawn to thread. (you were so much better than the live action grubkiss)
m.

msp, Sunday, 1 July 2007 03:59 (sixteen years ago) link

but i want an HBO series of 100 bullets really badly.

otm x 100

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 1 July 2007 05:13 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

SPOILERS!

One thing I've thought about the movie version is, how the hell are they gonna do the ending after WTC? Okay, V for Vendetta had V blowing up the houses of parliament, but it wasn't implied that anyone was in there (except maybe the bad guys). You'd think some producer would find Moore's ending a bit too shocking for public sensibility, especially since Veidt gets away with it.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link

This is one of many problematic things about a film adaptation (as is the book's sense that nuclear war is otherwise inevitable).

The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

You'd think some producer would find Moore's ending a bit too shocking for public sensibility, especially since Veidt gets away with it.

how is this different from dick cheney IRL (/cheeky)

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Adapting Alan Moore movies does not have a good track record. I do not want to see a Watchmen movie ever ever ever.

That said, Alan Moore (along with Daniel Clowes and the guy that did Maus whose name I forget) are going to be on the Simpsons as themselves Oct. 7th.

jessie monster, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

What, holy shit! Is that gonna be some special comics issue?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link

This is one of many problematic things about a film adaptation (as is the book's sense that nuclear war is otherwise inevitable).

To be honest, the whole "let's scare them to peace with a massive alien" bit was always the weakest, least credible part of the comic. I've never understood whether Moore really thought it was clever (he does have a tendency to do pompous, over-the-top finales), or whether it was meant to be a homage to ridiculous old-school superhero comic endings.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link

If they want to adapt some Moore property, why not Top 10? Unlike Watchmen, the concept is tailor-made for a TV series. Though I guess the whole premise would be too expensive to produce for television?

If they did do Top 10 though, I'd love to see the flame wars that'd follow the transporter accident episode: "OMG, they stole that light vs. darkness monologue from True Detective!".

Tuomas, Friday, 2 October 2015 07:42 (eight years ago) link

"Too expensive" isn't really an HBO problem. GoT ain't cheap and Westworld won't be either.

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 2 October 2015 08:10 (eight years ago) link

Halo Jones would be ideal for a TV series. So perfect that there's no way it would happen.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 2 October 2015 08:27 (eight years ago) link

I'd prefer to see a tv show based on literally any comic that isn't a finite story which has already been adapted, in full, by the dude who's trying to adapt it a second time.

Famous Monsters of ILM-land (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 October 2015 10:24 (eight years ago) link

aren't the ABC things like top 10, promethea, tom strong more likely to be owner-controlled? wasn't that whole thing creators' rights based?

(would like to see them try to get promethea green-lighted...)

koogs, Friday, 2 October 2015 10:27 (eight years ago) link

If Top 10 was creator-owned, I doubt Moore would've allowed DC to do two different sequel series to it without his involvement.

Tuomas, Friday, 2 October 2015 10:45 (eight years ago) link

Wasn't it always the idea with the ABC titles that he'd pass them on to other creators?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 2 October 2015 10:48 (eight years ago) link

From here:

He had developed The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen idea earlier, originally for Kevin Eastman’s Tundra outfit, with Simon Bisley slated to draw, but the idea expanded and turned into something else and veteran 2000 AD artist Kevin O’Neill became Moore’s collaborator on the creator-owned project.

The rest of “America’s Best Comics” weren’t creator-owned. Moore struck a deal with Jim Lee that would allow Moore and the artists to get up-front payment which gave Wildstorm ownership of the characters they would create in Tom Strong, Promethea, Top 10, and Tomorrow Stories. But soon after Moore signed the contract, Wildstorm was bought out by DC, and Moore was stuck working for a company he vowed never to work with again. As he told George Khoury in The Extraordinary Works of Alan Moore, “For better or worse, I decided that it was better to forego my own principles upon it rather than to put a lot of people who’d been promised work suddenly out of work.”

Moore and his “America’s Best” collaborators continued their comic-book-making, and Jim Lee mostly kept DC at a distance, although a few cases of publisher interference would annoy Moore enough to remind him that the large corporate publisher hadn’t changed much since he had last worked with them. Moore and the artists were able to produce over 100 issues of high-quality comics before he walked away from Wildstorm and DC for good, effectively closing down the “America’s Best” line even if a few series still trickled out under various non-Alan-Moore writerly guidance.

So LoEG is creator-owned (which of course explains why Moore and O'Neill were able to take it to another publisher), the other ABC titles weren't.

Tuomas, Friday, 2 October 2015 10:58 (eight years ago) link

with Simon Bisley slated to draw

Pretty glad it was O'Neill in the end!

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 2 October 2015 11:23 (eight years ago) link

I hope the leak was an hbo exec at a restaurant loudly expressing their disbelief zack Snyder brought up watchmen at a meeting

da croupier, Friday, 2 October 2015 14:00 (eight years ago) link

LoEG was developed for Homage, not ABC, Lee just sold both lines to DC before anything came out.

let no-one live rent free in your butt (sic), Friday, 2 October 2015 15:10 (eight years ago) link


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