V For Vendetta: The Movie

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"Moore's refusing any monies from film adaptations of his work. He's been directing that his cuts go to the books' artists."

haha - good for him. he's an upstanding chap.

"oh I can think of a way they replace the original work. A SHIT LOAD MORE PEOPLE SEE IT, WTF."

but the original books are still there, perfectly unmolested, available for all to read if they so wish. Movies are not comics. One does not replace the other - they exist parallel to each other.

let's face it - the best hope for a decent Watchmen movie was when Gilliam wanted to make it. But then Munchausen bombed and Gilliam got cold feet re: translatability of the script...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

What if they took the alien out of Watchmen and put it in V, and the Nazis they added to V into Watchmen. That would be rad. (not really).

At the bottom of the Aronofsky Watchmen thread linked above there's another link to an interview with the guy who IS directing Watchmen that might allay some concerns.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

portman to shave her head, purefoys face not shown. at least they dont get everything wrong

― fe zaffe (fezaffe), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Moore gets financial stability by neutering some of his greatest works before sharing them with a wider audience then fuck him."

Easy to say when it isn't your words putting bacon on the table. PK Dick was so damn broke at the end of his life, he would have been elated if they cut him a check to turn one of his movies into a musical comedy.

Moore has already had one movie not translate from the comic very well with "From Hell".

― earlnash, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

if alan moore isn't able to survive off the money he's made writing as many comics he has and from the money from From Hell and League then he's just not trying

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

sorry, but "dude's gotta eat" argument ain't gonna cut it here (beside he's evidently not taking his cut from these movies anyhow, see upthread).

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

moore looks like he eats fine

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

Purefoys on wearing the mask through the whole film (see also Judge Dredd): if it was good enough for Escalus, it is good enough for me.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

that interview with Greenspan is interesting. I'm pretty skeptical he's gonna fit both the generations AND the clock in one movie. That thing implies they don't even have a script yet! Enjoyed The Bourne Supremacy a lot though. Dude can direct.

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

Moore has already had one movie not translate from the comic very well with "From Hell".

One?! Can we get the full list of bad Moore adaptations? I'll start with LXG and SWAMP THING!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh, like the Swamp Thing movies had anything to do with Moore's work on the character.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad that they are not making it too futuristic, I guess after the Matrix I just had bad visions of raves in London and everyone in black vinyl.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

re: Swamp Thing = um yeah BERNIE WRIGHTSON, HELLO!?!?

LXG was awful.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

From Hell would have made a perfectly great movie, and still got ruined.

― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

oh I dunno about From Hell having the potential for a great movie. For one thing, it doesn't work as a thriller/mystery if the murderer's identity is established in the first act, as it is in the book. also there are numerous digressions into minor characters, hallucinations, flashbacks, etc. that would not have worked in a traditional movie framework...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

Not to mention that half of the damn thing was footnotes. Fascinating footnotes.

― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's a common device for serial killer films to let you know who the killer is right away. As for the rest, a good adaptation always involves editing. It's really a question of whether you want to tell the story or not, and whether you care what the author is saying. My guess is From Hell was just another property passed off from one indifferent owner to another... Moore refused to have anything to do with it.

― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

oh I dunno if I'd call the Hughes Bros "indifferent" - I thought they were pretty well-suited to the themes of the book actually. But they *did* try to frame it as a "whodunnit" (possibly at the behest of others, I would guess), and that kinda tore up the whole fabric of the story.

"It's a common device for serial killer films to let you know who the killer is right away."

Please tell me what these movies are, because I disagree. Obviously Jason/Mike Myers/Freddy etc are not analogous with Dr. Gull. I guess there's "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer" and the various Gacy movies, but those don't involve a cop/investigator as the main protagonist - they feature the killers themselves as the protagonists (an approach which also wouldn't have worked with From Hell, I don't think).

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

pk dick made into a musical comedy = WHY HAS THIS NOT HAPPENED YET!!

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

yes yes and everyone must be wearing totally horrible/awkward clothes! (why this perennial detail of Dick's books has been left out of every movie adaptation I have no idea - why wasn't Tom Cruise swaddled in a Wub Fur!)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

as shakey mc says, the idea of it being gull — besides the fact that it's hopelesly silly in terms of actual real life history* — wd surely have fallen apart horribly fast if tackled w.gull as protagonist

*this has always vaguely annoyed me abt moore's "from hell" actually: gull is the easily least interesting of the various proposed rippers; a "from hell" based round james maybrick wd have been better

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

i'm actually genuinely surprised more dick books haven't been made into movies

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

I dunno enough about Gull being the least interesting (tho to his credit Moore does acknowledge he didn't actually think Gull was the killer in the appendices).

It would've been nice if they'd squeezed Oscar Wilde and the Golden Dawn into the movie, but what can ya do... at least they managed to get the Elephant Man in there (tho not the reference to Ganesha, the Opener of Ways, sadly. Actually that's what I missed most from the movie - the depth of magical/mystical ref. points)

Dick's being thoroughly mined now Mark, don't worry. He wrote enough trash to fuel a million crappy sci-fi flicks.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

Bah. V for Vendetta was always (for me anyway) about the crapness of British fascism and the ease by which common-or-garden british traits would easily lend themselves to fascism (ie, how the 'it couldn't happen here' scenario was predicated on enduring british characteristics which I saw no real evidence for other than a desire to believe they were there because it made people feel good, but I did see a lot of evidence of the characteristics required to create and tolerate fascism.)

Anyone, turns in to more counterfactual nazi pron. yawn. Still, Natalie Portman eh? Can't all be bad.

― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

Please tell me what these movies are

Henry, Silence of the Lambs, The Minus Man, American Psycho, Felicia's Journey (arguably), Eye of the Needles (arguably), Freeway, Natural Born Killers, I Was a Teenage Serial Killer, Summer of Sam, Bonnie and Clyde...

― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah i'm kinda having a hard time thinking of a serial killer flick that doesn't let you know who the killer is right away

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

tho to his credit Moore does acknowledge he didn't actually think Gull was the killer in the appendices

Wow. I missed that. This thread makes me want to reread those comics...

― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

Henry - I mentioned/discussed this one
Silence of the Lambs - mmm, debatable, the "identity" of Buffalo Bill isn't really firmly established until Clarice stumbles across him.
The Minus Man - didn't see it
American Psycho - ehhhh, okay, might have to give you this one.
Felicia's Journey (arguably), Eye of the Needles (arguably) - didn't see either
Freeway - um, what? do you mean Kiefer? He is not the main character/protagonist.
Natural Born Killers - oh please, this movie is a cartoon, not a "thriller" or a mystery.
I Was a Teenage Serial Killer - didn't see it
Summer of Sam - Sam is not the main character, and anyone seeing this film knows who Berkowitz is.
Bonnie and Clyde - this is not a serial killer movie

and anyway none of these suggest a workable template for From Hell (w/the possible exception of American Psycho)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

Let us discuss the differences between the serial killer genre and movies about serial killers (no, really!)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 18 March 2005 13:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

Taking Sides: V for Vendetta vs Q the Winged Serpent.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Q the Winged Serpent has six limbs = is an INSECT!

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

That's why the identity of the killer isn't obvious from the first scene.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

Minus Man: wistful, laid-back, slacker serial killer romantic comedy starring Owen Wilson.
I thought Total Recall got the awkwardness of PKD the best out of the lot.

― Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

Columbo always started with the reveal of whodunnit, and the intrigue/entertainment was in watching C-man piece together the how and the why.

― Huk-L, Friday, 18 March 2005 16:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, and the best part of it is that Columbo seems as if he knows the solution all along and he's just piecing it together to torture his opponent. Ace when the bad guy is Cassavettes or a hot blonde.

― Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

Alan Moore should write a Columbo GN.

― Huk-L, Friday, 18 March 2005 16:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Also, Johnny Cash, William Shatner & Patrick McGoohan!

― Huk-L, Friday, 18 March 2005 16:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Monster, which makes a great double feature with Aileen: Life and Death of a Serial Killer.

Dude, just let me have my From Hell movie dream.

― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 21 March 2005 03:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

how is silence of the lambs 'debatable'???????? shakey have you seen silence of the lambs?

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

Scott Glenn was actually the killer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Teaser poster is out

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― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

Verily.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

Va va voom!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

I sat in at the Whitechapel/Westminster shooting last month watching everybody in their Guy Fawkes masks and appreciating how their disguises hid their average looks [ /shallow]. The scene looked pretty good. Didn't spot Portman, though she was around somewhere, I know it!

― Negativa, True Believer (Sheryl Crow in a Britney costume) (Barima), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 08:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

Is it just me, or is "an uncompromising vision of the future, from the creators of the Matrix trilogy" one of the most unappealing taglines ever?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 08:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

I blame the font.

― Negativa, True Believer (Sheryl Crow in a Britney costume) (Barima), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 09:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

A timely revival - I just spent much of yesterday evening in the pub with V For Vendetta artist David Lloyd, as it happens (and a guy who coloured about half of it, but he's one of my best friends and that was the third day in four that I'd seen him, whereas I hadn't see David in years). Gives me an easy way of doing some quality small-time namedropping without having to contrive a reason, hurrah!

Actually, a unique namedropping encounter, in that David was saying 'hello Martin' to me while I was still not sure if he was who I thought. I've not met a famous person before where that's happened.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 11:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

Is he getting any royalities?

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 11:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

isn't he getting it all? that interview Stewart Lee did with Moore, Moore kept saying that after his first major disillusionment with each further film that got optioned he was going "give the money to the artist, i'm not doing this" - and by the time it got to the 5th or 6th film he was saying it through gritted teeth.

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 11:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

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http://www.channel4.com/news/v-for-vendetta-the-man-behind-the-mask

― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 11 May 2012 22:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

What images immediately embody rebellion in recent decades? Let me suggest two: the smiley face for the ecstasy generation in the late 80s and early 90s, and the V mask which is currently the icon of global anti-capitalist protest. Both images have spread beneath the level of corporate dictat: neither were concocted by an advertising agency. Both were, and are, recognisable across the planet, and were communicated as memes from user to user.

okay, sure

More remarkably, both emerged from the work of one man - Alan Moore, a working-class Northampton comics writer with a polymath's range of references, and a really rather scary beard. It is hard to suggest another creative artist - certainly not a British one - who has had such an impact on popular culture and above all popular protest.
The smiley face came from Watchmen, his seminal counter-factual exploration of superheroes and politics...

uhh...

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

that is all wrong

― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

OG smiley face was created by an advertising agency, V's Guy Fawkes mask is obviously more of a folk thing but is owned by Time Warners.

― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, i'd intended to cut the last couple sentences out of the first quote block. i'm okay, for the sake of argument, with the suggestion that these are important symbols of rebellion.

― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

you know who should have directed this? the ghost of alan clarke.

― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

was gonna go for whoever did that 60s Batman movie

― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

sorry is that what happened irl?

― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

adam west/burt ward v for vendetta would be good too

― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

burt ward has a look of skinheady sadsack about him

― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

If the screenwriters had rewritten the movie so that Stephen Fry was the Big Brother, then it would have been awesome.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:17 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

have never seen this movie but knew stephen fry was in it and until now had assumed he was the big brother, just like how when i heard he was in sherlock holmes 2 A GAME OF SHADOWS i assumed he was moriarty. but he wasn't. what the hell. how hard is this.

― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

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