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That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

xp they've always mimicked the paper print runs on modo, they just seem to have left out a step for this block. If you open a paper booster pack right now, I suspect you will find that 2 of the uncommons are within 2 spots of each other on my list, but the 3rd is not.

ciderpress, Friday, 10 February 2017 23:45 (one week ago) Permalink

this one was fun

iatee, Sunday, 12 February 2017 04:58 (one week ago) Permalink

trophy #3:

i won one game by 1-shotting my opponent with ninth bridge patrol via 2x felidar guardian, the rest by decking, looping thopters, or cogwork assembler tricks. just a normal day in the office

ciderpress, Sunday, 12 February 2017 06:14 (one week ago) Permalink

so much value everywhere

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 12 February 2017 14:01 (one week ago) Permalink

what do you guys cut here?

iatee, Sunday, 12 February 2017 18:10 (one week ago) Permalink

barge, freighter, filigree crawler, a fen hauler

ciderpress, Sunday, 12 February 2017 18:27 (one week ago) Permalink

crawler seems like the easiest cut. I was also thinking revolution maybe, which means I wouldn't have to play 2 red cards off 3 red sources

maybe keep one of those vehicles for revolution? I feel like I want to be reliably curving out on artifacts and then landing one of the 7s on t4/5

iatee, Sunday, 12 February 2017 19:02 (one week ago) Permalink

obv the deck is removal light, but 4 drop removal splashed off 3 sources isn't super reliable interaction

iatee, Sunday, 12 February 2017 19:04 (one week ago) Permalink

this is the kind of deck where if everything goes right you don't attack until like turn 15. so all of the good removal is essential and i'd prob play the revolution even with the awkward mana. the freighter is an easy cut because it's just a clunky sometime 4/3 blocker - i would sooner play solvent as a random artifact, but i don't think that's necessary. crawler is an easy cut yeah. i agree one of the haulers too, you can't get clogged on those early and you have plenty to win with later. i kind of like barge, you are light on creatures but more than half have 3 power and barge blocks well. i might cut the either thief but i wouldn't feel good about it. prob that or the blue implement i guess.

looks fun tho. have you played yet?

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 12 February 2017 19:24 (one week ago) Permalink

nope haven't had time, but I'm looking forward to it

iatee, Sunday, 12 February 2017 19:41 (one week ago) Permalink

I thought about solvent as a mana dork too. I could play it + map + 15 lands but that makes ever using its ability even less likely.

iatee, Sunday, 12 February 2017 20:14 (one week ago) Permalink

went 2-1 with 15 + solvent + bomat - the 0/4. I only had mana problems the last round when I had both my red cards pretty early vs a gb deck that hit t3 cultivator's caravan both games. almost lost r2 to smugglers copter, but managed to stabilize. sided in select for inspection a lot.

iatee, Sunday, 12 February 2017 22:01 (one week ago) Permalink

You cut the Thief? That card seems really good to me, even in non-energy decks. Your mana requirements seem pretty rough for a 15 land deck: double blue, double black, and a red splash. I think Reverse Engineer is a good cut actually, since you have so many other 2-for-1s that support your Improvise plans, and probably Revolution like you were thinking earlier.

Finally got to do my first draft of this format: R/W aggro with 16 lands, multiple removal spells, and Angel of Invention. Thought I had a good chance to 3-0, but went 1-2 instead, getting lucky to win the one. I couldn't kill fast enough and my opponents would often start to get their card advantage spells to take over. Invigorated Rampage was a lot less useful than I thought it would be, and I had two of them

Vinnie, Monday, 13 February 2017 05:41 (one week ago) Permalink

thief is decent but in the end I decided to cut the least synergistic card. I think playing solvent was correct too, once the deck went off with card advantage into card advantage you actually could hit 7 mana pretty easily, despite playing 15 lands.

and yeah invigorated rampage doesn't really do what you want combat tricks to do since it doesn't give first strike or boost toughness. so instead it's effectively a lava axe that allows you to get 2 for 1'd. I don't think I would be happy playing it in very many decks.

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2017 07:06 (one week ago) Permalink

I took one of them over Precise Strike, and I would have preferred Precise Strike every time

Vinnie, Monday, 13 February 2017 16:52 (one week ago) Permalink

eh I think certain decks that want to alpha strike kinda like it, plus it's good with the Double Striker. but yeah R/W is really the only archetype that even remotely wants it

I keep drafting G/W/B revolt since it seems to be open a lot, you get some bombs early on then stock your deck with fixing/Revolt enablers. Had an interesting deck with Aid from the Cowl and Hidden Stockpile that would take a beating early but then stabilize and generate a bunch of incremental advantage. It wound up 3-0'ing but I still don't know if it's any good. I've mentioned it before but these matches definitely feel like Cube, you have to make a lot of decisions and be aware of what's in your deck, plus you have to pull games out of your ass a lot. But it's challenging in a way that Limited rarely is.

frogbs, Monday, 13 February 2017 17:57 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah this is my favorite limited format in a long time, probably for reasons similar to what you're saying. the powerful decks are very very powerful, doing things more comparable to a modern masters draft or cube. t1 renegade map enables a ton of different broken starts.

hidden stockpile is my favorite card. nonstop scrying and token making gives you the ability to both take over a game early or play a control game for inevitability.

iatee, Monday, 13 February 2017 18:53 (one week ago) Permalink

love the stockpile. BW still my most successful color pair, 3 trophies i believe, and i didn't even 3-0 my double stockpile deck, somehow. having 2 out at the same time, let me tell you. it's like having a bad assemble the legion but 1000% times more satisfying.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 February 2017 19:12 (one week ago) Permalink

from what i can tell i think overall ppl preferred 3xKLD to this format, but yet again i am enjoying the full block format more in the 2 set block world. i think the 3x formats are much tidier and more streamlined and i think i like the comparative messiness of the 2x1x formats. that's not exactly it maybe but that's about as well as i can describe it.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 13 February 2017 19:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Turn 2 crack a Map and play Stockpile is definitely my favorite early play in this format

I've actually never done straight BW but I'm sure I'll get into it sometime. I guess with Renegade Map and Unbridled Growth, playing 3 color is a breeze so I often just do that. That said Black revolt stuff never seems to be open when I draft, all I usually get is the Fen Hauler deck

frogbs, Monday, 13 February 2017 19:29 (one week ago) Permalink

i think 3x draft formats have to be really tightly woven to not just turn into a bunch of people on different rails chasing different subsets of cards. even the most heralded ones have some degree of this. KLD was actually on the low side but it was also a bit bland for other reasons

ciderpress, Monday, 13 February 2017 20:44 (one week ago) Permalink

knowing the uncommon runs has been really helpful in leagues, thanks cider

man i hated kld or at least never really figured it out. i did like 150 drafts on mtgo and went 3-0 in less than 20 of them. ive been doing much better in aer/aer/kld across a small number of drafts but i also dont really have a strong grasp on the format. large creatures seem good, so do fliers. i lose to rares a lot. idk

( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 13 February 2017 21:37 (one week ago) Permalink

man 150 drafts is so much...i havent even done 50 in a format since Theros

i did well in KLD over like 30 drafts, most of my winning decks involved Aether Theorist. haven't actually drafted this format much yet but i do like it better

ciderpress, Monday, 13 February 2017 22:42 (one week ago) Permalink

I mostly did sealed with KLD b/c it was pretty easy to stockpile player points that way. Packs got to 2.4 which meant you could do a sealed event for ~19 tix. I was not very good at drafting it - I found it was pretty easy to lead yourself into a dead end

frogbs, Monday, 13 February 2017 22:46 (one week ago) Permalink

another 'help me build this'

should I play wind drake / turtle / die young? what do we think of the mana?

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:44 (five days ago) Permalink

I could cut almost all the black except cruel ults and play like 2 swamp for turtle/drake/blue automaton/fireforger's

not sure I'd be missing that much if I do that and I'd have better mana

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:51 (five days ago) Permalink

i would 100% cut the rest of the black, none of it is good enough here to junk your mana over. i'd go up a land too. if you do add an artifact, with 4 black sources i would play black implement over the red puzzleknot, it is so much better maindeck.

love that you have gone in on the dark intimations again. i've yet to see one cast.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:03 (five days ago) Permalink

scratch the land add, i miscounted initially and meant to delete that

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:04 (five days ago) Permalink

yeah you got double blue and double red. if it were me though I'd still play the Sly Requisitioner. might sneak the Red Puzzleknot in too, I feel like AER has a decent amount of targets for that

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:10 (five days ago) Permalink

yeah I like that suggestion roberto, I have a decent amount of card draw to hit those 4 sources and even if I don't it still does something as an artifact in play.

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:16 (five days ago) Permalink

as a big fan of sly requisitioner in the right deck, imo it is not doing enough to be included here.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:25 (five days ago) Permalink

yeah this isn't much of a tokens deck and only barely has enough enablers

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:30 (five days ago) Permalink

went 1-2 with that :( had pretty poor draws, the only time I saw a chandra's revolution (for a walking ballista) it was negated

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:23 (five days ago) Permalink

right which is why I say "if it were me" - have a hard time shying away from cards like that even if they're wrong to play :)

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:42 (five days ago) Permalink

how did the mini-Ultimatums work, by the way? I like the card but it's a bit...underwhelming?

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:47 (five days ago) Permalink

I'm also curious to see how well those play. Sac a creature seems pretty bad in this format, but Raise Dead + draw + discard all seems good

Vinnie, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:17 (five days ago) Permalink

I've played with them a bunch now. they are good but you can't expect it to get you out of a bad situation if you're super far behind. in a fair board state you're going to go to massively ahead and probably win. the sac effect the least reliable for sure because you're probably playing some blue aura removal and everyone has servos, but when it's good it's also the strongest effect. g1 vs me a guy cast a peema outrider and made it a 4/4 to outclass my 3/3 - if he knew I was playing the ult, he woulda made the servo and the game wouldn't have effectively ended that turn.

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:26 (five days ago) Permalink

that was in retrospect a reason to be playing the puzzleknot main and I brought it in a lot

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:27 (five days ago) Permalink

well this is the most broken start I've gotten off to in this format

frogbs, Thursday, 16 February 2017 02:56 (four days ago) Permalink

ha nice

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 16 February 2017 03:20 (four days ago) Permalink

what do you guys think of the eldrazi tron deck in modern? I feel kinda set on playing lantern this weekend, but that deck has been doing pretty well

iatee, Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:59 (four days ago) Permalink

i don't think any one deck should be a factor in what you play in modern

are you playing the GP?

ciderpress, Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:37 (four days ago) Permalink

i dont think i would play lantern at a team event but have actively avoided playing modern for almost a year now and dont have particularly good opinions abt it

i think e_tron is probably good in so much as chalice of the void is really good rn but again see above

( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:05 (four days ago) Permalink

oh right this is the scg event

i still endorse through the breach valakut for modern. its braindead easy to play and has good matchups across the board

ciderpress, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:46 (four days ago) Permalink

no I wasn't thinking lantern is bad because of e tron, it's prob pretty decent. lantern was one of the few decks that was still playable in eldrazi winter. was wondering if I should audible.

one of my teammates is pretty anti-valakut deck and another doesn't like the last minute audible idea so I think I'm priced into lantern.

iatee, Thursday, 16 February 2017 23:25 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah lantern sounds fine if you have recent practice w/ it

ciderpress, Friday, 17 February 2017 02:03 (three days ago) Permalink

frogbs: that reminds me of the time the owner of my LGS thought it would be fun to play his Vintage deck against my Onslaught draft deck

Vinnie, Friday, 17 February 2017 05:10 (three days ago) Permalink

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