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That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (11 years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (11 years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

prerelease entry is a nice gesture but I really don't see why they couldn't leave v3 up until they have a halfway usable client ready to go.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 25 July 2014 19:47 (6 days ago) Permalink

its about as usable as v3 at this point honestly. 90% of the complaints are just from people who don't like it, not people like iatee who have actual technical issues

ciderpress, Friday, 25 July 2014 19:53 (6 days ago) Permalink

tbf theres a lot to dislike about v4. i do think with time people will probably appreciate that its a better piece of software than v3 was but it also wont work on my laptop so i havent played any mtgo since v3 went offline which is kind of a bummer.

dude (Lamp), Friday, 25 July 2014 20:06 (6 days ago) Permalink

having a ton of floating windows that are impossible to attach, gameplay that's weirdly unintuitive and difficult to follow, and a client with so many memory leaks that my computer slows to a crawl if I leave it open overnight isn't really what I had in mind

I mean, it is still playable, it's just disorienting in a way I assumed I'd get used to but haven't...v3 took a week or so to really get used to but it still felt kinda natural after that. I've played the new client for much longer and it's still irritating in so many little ways. There's so much functionality that's really unnecessary and my computer can't cleanly handle all the graphics going on at once. At least the life totals aren't a tiny number in the corner anymore like they used to be.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 25 July 2014 20:09 (6 days ago) Permalink

i am getting used to it. i have found myself making mistakes that i would never have made in v3 - esp accidentally clicking thru combat step, why do i keep doing that?? - but that kind of thing i hope i will get past quickly. there are things that i miss from v3 for sure and overall i think it is just less obvious what is going on paying on v4. it seems to be running okay on my laptop so i am at least thankful that i don't have any of the big problems others have experienced, esp since i don't play except online and it would suck to have to quit just as i was getting almost competent.

in other news, i am currently waiting for r1 to end in my freebie m15 sealed. i opened nissa and chandra so i guess i am awesome at m15

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 25 July 2014 20:55 (6 days ago) Permalink

just started using the new client a bit last week, and yeah, too many text pop-ups and the like, but overall it looks decent, especially the cards, and I haven't had any computer performance issues.

Is there a thing with the timing of F6? At one point, my turn seemed to get completely skipped, and the same thing seemed to happen to an opponent too.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Friday, 25 July 2014 21:01 (6 days ago) Permalink

Morph!!!

Gravel Puzzleworth, Sunday, 27 July 2014 16:22 (4 days ago) Permalink

so this is the wedge block

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Sunday, 27 July 2014 16:57 (4 days ago) Permalink

Looks like the draft structure I mentioned a couple months back was right. Should be cool.

Vinnie, Sunday, 27 July 2014 22:28 (4 days ago) Permalink

figured I'd load up the new client again to try out the free M15 sealed, which was definitely a nice gesture on their part. still really irritated by it, especially when playing with a new set - I find the P/Ts and mana costs are too small to read easily and the preview pane just sits on top of everything so it's really impractical. Doesn't seem to be a good way to attach the chat window without it floating all over the place. More than anything I'm just irritated by how they managed to rehaul pretty much everything but the issues that actually needed fixing; it's still incredibly slow for me, I still get booted when logging in, the network still times out randomly even though every other connection works. I guess y'all are right, it's not exactly "unplayable", just kind of remarkable how they fixed a ton of stuff that didn't need fixing and managed to ignore all the real issues (IMO, of course). With a game like this simplicity really really matters!!

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 28 July 2014 02:33 (3 days ago) Permalink

aaaand right on cue the disorienting client leads me to accidently punt a match (100% my fault, but still, this thing is so terrible)

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 28 July 2014 02:46 (3 days ago) Permalink

made a poor showing at the GP, though i hadn't played modern in 6 months or melira pod in 9 months so i wasn't really expecting much

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 13:36 (3 days ago) Permalink

that sucks, sorry dude. was that the one in worcester? i saw that was coming up.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 28 July 2014 13:53 (3 days ago) Permalink

yeah it was worcester. i dropped at 3-3. i don't really mind though, it was a pretty fun weekend still

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 13:59 (3 days ago) Permalink

re: khans, i'm curious to see how morph fits in to what looks like just another Color-Based Factions block.

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 14:04 (3 days ago) Permalink

judging by the recent tumblr posts of Maro, it's going to be different than Alara or RTR - maybe not so overly multicolor for one, and each faction will have a "base color". also it sounds like the other two sets are not wedge-based so who knows?

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 28 July 2014 14:45 (3 days ago) Permalink

pretty interesting that not a single pod or twin deck made t8 at boston

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 14:53 (3 days ago) Permalink

I didn't go because lazy / haven't been playing with anything but storm, which is not competitive in big tournaments atm

kinda want to switch it up to delver or something goofy for a while

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 14:54 (3 days ago) Permalink

there was a ton of pod and twin, and a ton of melira pod in particular at the top tables. kind of just a fluke that none of them made it in.

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:09 (3 days ago) Permalink

yeah I think they're still 'the best decks' but if you can have a tournament this large (where a disproportionate amount of players will be bringing pod) and still not have one t8, it's probably really safe from being banned?

2 infect in the t8 seems like even more of a fluke though, since it's a deck that just folds to so many things

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:19 (3 days ago) Permalink

also a kid who plays at my lgs was 9-0 after d1 w/ soul sisters

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:20 (3 days ago) Permalink

yeah i saw the soul sisters guy at the x-0 tables, thought that was amusing

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:26 (3 days ago) Permalink

he's not just some kid who got lucky, he's actually very good, won an scg open this year and I'm pretty sure he had 3 byes

but I guess you have to have a certain amount of luck to win 6 matches of competitive modern w/ that deck

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:29 (3 days ago) Permalink

also I really want to see wafo-tapa's esper deck

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:34 (3 days ago) Permalink

i didn't see what he was playing but he always had a huge crowd watching him play so i figured it was something out of the ordinary

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:48 (3 days ago) Permalink

it's interesting how wescoe and wafo-tapa seem to be able to build rogue decks that fit the colors/strategies they want to play with and still do consistently well in a format like this (kibler seems like a good counterexample as fair creature decks just seem bad in modern)

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:57 (3 days ago) Permalink

i walked by wescoe and he had a pack rat in play, not sure what he was playing

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 16:00 (3 days ago) Permalink

some sort of bw dead guy build apparently

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 16:05 (3 days ago) Permalink

https://www.facebook.com/raphael.levy.mtg/posts/308720935968791

wafo-tapa's list

becauser uwr control was just too fast

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 19:24 (3 days ago) Permalink

0 mana leak is interesting but does allow him to play 4 paths

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 19:26 (3 days ago) Permalink

and logic knot is a cool replacement, can eat some goyf food along the way

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 19:29 (3 days ago) Permalink

in retrospect it seems like post-dr ban, the jund shell is doing just fine but everyone (jund and uwr) can throw away their lightning bolts w/o really suffering much. (not that bolt is bad, just more optional)

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 19:34 (3 days ago) Permalink

jund will always be at the top as long as they continue to be more willing to ban 'unfair' cards than 'fair' ones

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 19:53 (3 days ago) Permalink

It must kill Wafo-Tapa that he can't play Wraths at instant speed like the rest of his deck

Vinnie, Monday, 28 July 2014 19:54 (3 days ago) Permalink

yeah reprinting bob and goyf really suggests that they will never be banned

and it is hard to imagine a deck with a set of bob/goyf/lili ever being that bad

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 19:57 (3 days ago) Permalink

its the point discard spells that make jund work, goyf/bob are not really that problematic

other than banning thoughtseize (eww) the way you make jund-likes worse is to add better synergy cards to the format so that decks have more redundancy vs all the attrition

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:06 (3 days ago) Permalink

yeah as a storm player I have actually found the matchup pretty okay because of that

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:09 (3 days ago) Permalink

'rock' decks are pretty much never above 50% winrate though, they're just the ultimate safe deck for risk-averse players

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:10 (3 days ago) Permalink

for what it's worth i think the jund family of decks are in a balanced spot right now where they're weak enough that choosing to play them is choosing to concede any deck selection advantage. that they keep showing up at the top of events doesn't really concern me given that they're generally a large portion of the field.

personally, i'll never play a deck that runs maindeck thoughtseize without a combo to protect

ciderpress, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:28 (3 days ago) Permalink

I kinda want to build a goofy waste not deck

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:29 (3 days ago) Permalink

yeah my first thought was how cool it would be with Wheel of Fortune-type effects but there don't seem to be a whole lot of those anymore

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 28 July 2014 20:30 (3 days ago) Permalink

whispering madness

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:32 (3 days ago) Permalink

oh yeah. that. make it happen!!

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 28 July 2014 20:32 (3 days ago) Permalink

I feel like that + Master of the Feast + Notion Thief could make some kind of dinger

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 28 July 2014 20:35 (3 days ago) Permalink

master and notion don't actually work together

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:36 (3 days ago) Permalink

are you sure? that upkeep draw seems to fit the "except the first one he or she draws in each of his or her draw steps" clause

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 28 July 2014 20:38 (3 days ago) Permalink

no you're right, I was confusing it with spirit of labyrinth's effect

iatee, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:39 (3 days ago) Permalink


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