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That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

i would approach this format like cube, as with all the modern masters sets - you're going to get 30 playables regardless of what you do so spend the first several picks figuring out what you want your deck's plan to be and then just draft with that endpoint in mind

i use this approach for every format but it becomes more correct the better the card quality

ciderpress, Thursday, 23 March 2017 17:09 (six days ago) Permalink

ive been drafting 3 color control decks simply because theyre easy to fall into - you draft a bomb, some removal, some fixing and then you cant really pivot into one of the leaner synergy-based decks w.o giving up too many picks. but i think the two color decks w/lots of synergy are the strongest decks you can draft, theyre what i keep losing finals too (although in leagues i know theres no guarantee theyre also 2-0)

but yeah ive just been trying to stay open and make sure i have a powerful enough topend to compete w/ w/e rares my opponents will have. counterspells have been really good for me, better than removal generally

( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:35 (six days ago) Permalink

wizards claimed draft league matching would be same record only. have they definitely deviated from that?

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:40 (six days ago) Permalink

it generally is but i play at weird hours and have had non-matching records before. the MM3 league was busy enough last night i doubt that happened though

( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:42 (six days ago) Permalink

it looks for same record for a few minutes and then loosens more and more as it fails to find matches

ciderpress, Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:43 (six days ago) Permalink

i doubt you'll get mismatches in the intermediate draft leagues

ciderpress, Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:44 (six days ago) Permalink

ok makes sense

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:45 (six days ago) Permalink

yeah it basically only happens when the draft league is slow which ime is like 4-6AM EST, later into a format. also a couple of times when ive played out an 0-2 draft ive gotten pair up presumably due to the lack of ppl playing out their 0-2. it happens more frequently in standard constructed leagues

( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 23 March 2017 19:41 (six days ago) Permalink

it's really difficult to go any worse than 4-5 in the Friendly Sealed leagues because of that...if you start out 1-3 or something you WILL get to face a gauntlet of 48-card decks that splash two colors

frogbs, Thursday, 23 March 2017 19:44 (six days ago) Permalink

Lamp have you had any luck with GW yet? its best common should be call of the conclave but i'm worried that card is not actually playable because of the vast amounts of mist ravens and dinrova horrors i'm running into

ciderpress, Friday, 24 March 2017 02:09 (five days ago) Permalink

i've drafted core GW twice for combined 5-1. call and slime molding can easily outsize what a lot of decks are doing, especially if you throw in one of the anthems, and i suspect the advantage you can get is worth the danger of facing that one deck that will just murder your tokens. my one loss was to that deck of course, vanish into memory is a brutal beating, but even so it was close with the way the deck can curve out and flood the board. multiple token makers are good - a couple eyes in the skies recommended, fists of ironwood preferably on a moa, and lingering souls most of all of course.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 24 March 2017 02:31 (five days ago) Permalink

the 4-drop slot is really juiced in this set, as if signets weren't already good enough

ciderpress, Friday, 24 March 2017 04:29 (five days ago) Permalink

it's so hard to end up with enough 2s and 3s and also so hard to not end up with too many 4s

ciderpress, Friday, 24 March 2017 04:30 (five days ago) Permalink

i take it back there's lots of 2s, 3 is the awkward slot

this is the only aggro deck i've been able to do well with so far: http://imgur.com/a/iYVsV

ciderpress, Saturday, 25 March 2017 01:58 (four days ago) Permalink

i have not managed to draft a straight g/w deck yet but ive barely done any drafts. i think the splicers are pretty strong and rootborn defenses is a nutty limited card but yeah idk if thats enough to compensate for the amount of bounce effects at common plus flickerwisp at uncommon. ive done two paper drafts and eight mtgo ones on my own and then probably like a half dozen more w/friends where i wasnt the one drafting. so far it seems like straight u/w is the best two color deck (at least its the one that i lose to most, its never open for me) and the g/r aggro deck is the worst performing although a friend was saying he was crushing with burning-tree decks so idk. i kind of hate the 'fixing + bombs' formats so i dont imagine ill get much more fun out of this tbh

fwiw im most proud of going 3-0 with this insanely shitty u/r spells deck with two maindeck pyroclasms and no way of winning

( ^_^) (Lamp), Saturday, 25 March 2017 07:01 (four days ago) Permalink

from what i've seen so far it feels like there are 3 powerful shells - many-color control, UWx blink, and RBx sacrifice and the other stuff going on in the set is mostly just not on the same power level as those. GW has the problem that 4 of the populate commons are cards that don't really do anything on their own (rootborn, fog, W populate, naturalize) so you're just too thin on actual cards

ciderpress, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:11 (four days ago) Permalink

currently 14-1 in the phantom league. my winning decks have been jund sac, esper control/blink, no-red ramp/control, GW go wide. standard of play seems to be slightly below a regular intermediate league. i guess a lot of the better players are going in for the booster lottery.

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 25 March 2017 21:35 (four days ago) Permalink

i am 12-12 in the phantom league so far, i have not gotten the hang of this set really.

ciderpress, Saturday, 25 March 2017 23:13 (four days ago) Permalink

i just 3-0ed with this despite not drawing most of the good cards ever http://imgur.com/a/ze7eA

it felt pretty clearly above the power level of my other decks

ciderpress, Saturday, 25 March 2017 23:15 (four days ago) Permalink

amonkhet mechanics seem...not exciting? cycling is always welcome tho.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 27 March 2017 16:31 (two days ago) Permalink

i like how clean they are tbh. cycling and flashback variants are always welcome. if this is all of them then i'm a little surprised there's no -1/-1 counter mechanic but maybe it's still to come

ciderpress, Monday, 27 March 2017 17:05 (two days ago) Permalink

it'd have to be wither or something new though since embalm rules out persist

ciderpress, Monday, 27 March 2017 17:06 (two days ago) Permalink

that 1/4 for 1B has me kind of suspecting wither since dedicated blockers have to be a bit tougher than usual in a wither set

ciderpress, Monday, 27 March 2017 17:11 (two days ago) Permalink

though i just realized that cycling is already a returning mechanic so nevermind

ciderpress, Monday, 27 March 2017 17:13 (two days ago) Permalink

yeah wither makes more sense than persist. i very much hope they continue to have limited gps later in the season, really enjoyed what a caught of orlando

( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 27 March 2017 18:10 (two days ago) Permalink

I like both new mechanics - both of 'em are things I've been wanting them to do for a while. Exert seems like it could be really skill-intensive.

frogbs, Monday, 27 March 2017 18:18 (two days ago) Permalink

I'm ready for a set with clean, easy mechanics. Exert especially looks good. It has the signs of a mechanic that is fun and skill-testing, but not flashy. I think the Egyptian setting will be flashy enough anyhow

Vinnie, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 00:36 (yesterday) Permalink

I also like the idea of having a counter for Exerted, because I think it will be easy to forget

Vinnie, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 00:37 (yesterday) Permalink

crashed to earth somewhat with 2 drafts where i went into GR tokens decks splashing white after first pick anthems and went 1-2 both times. maybe unlucky but hated being so dependent on opening hand and when i did get a good start half the time i couldn't quite finish them off and sat waiting 5-6 turns hoping to draw gruul war chant while getting killed. i think being naya was the problem, the white just didn't contribute enough. if i tried again i would go hard for jund, would've traded thoctar for a falkenrath noble in a heartbeat.

however, managed to get back to winning ways afterwards with a UW peach, 6-0 in 90 mins: http://i.imgur.com/3mn4BHP.png

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 02:19 (yesterday) Permalink

I also like the idea of having a counter for Exerted, because I think it will be easy to forget

just turn the card upside down

frogbs, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 04:10 (yesterday) Permalink

You mean turn it left instead of right? I don't think it's easily showable like Detain was

Vinnie, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 10:49 (yesterday) Permalink

nah, like upside down, then you rotate it 90 degrees during your untap step. that's how we'd probably do it.

speaking of, one gripe I have about the new flashback/split cards is that the design only really works if you keep your library and graveyard to the right of the play area, which some left-handed players don't do.

frogbs, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:44 (yesterday) Permalink

after seeing the other mechanics i'm even more convinced that those are just gonna be one cycle of rares or so - without them there's already 3 keyword mechanics including a different flashback variant in embalm

ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:01 (yesterday) Permalink

yea definitely - since both halves are likely to be related and you have to put the Aftermath text on all of them it really crimps their design space

frogbs, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:04 (yesterday) Permalink

i'm also suspecting that they'll be the masterpiece inclusions from this set

ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:06 (yesterday) Permalink

Can I just

Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 00:37 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

i'm also suspecting that they'll be the masterpiece inclusions from this set

I would actually switch over to utterly loving them if this happened, these cards in that frame would be actual perfection.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 00:39 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

lol now that ive seen the masterpiece frame i can't even envision that anymore - also it seems that they're not all spells like i thought so the gods are in play as the boring choice

ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 00:41 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

art is astounding on some of these cards but i literally can't believe anyone signed off on these title/type lines. maybe on paper they will be more legible.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 01:53 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

the wrath of god looks real good since the art palette matches the frame well and the rules text is short enough to look good centered, most of the rest im not fond of

ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 01:56 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

took me about a minute to determine if there were any actual letters on the Daze one

Moodles, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:09 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

somebody needs to be fired

iatee, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:13 (thirteen hours ago) Permalink

nah, like upside down, then you rotate it 90 degrees during your untap step. that's how we'd probably do it.

Ah, I gotcha. Like detain, but in two steps. Think it's still more clear to use the token, if it's available

Man they had such a great opportunity with these card frames but the execution is so bad. too many different elements and fonts. it's like a 90's rap album cover

Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:31 (twelve hours ago) Permalink

I actually dig the new frame a lot. I mean it's definitely ugly and aesthetically questionable, but I like that they made something that looks so unlike a Magic card.

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:35 (twelve hours ago) Permalink

I'm fine with them outside of the unreadable lettering, some of the art is pretty cool, but these are such a huge step down from the inventions.

Moodles, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:48 (twelve hours ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I like how far out these are, but you can keep that and make these look much better. For example, the color bars on the sides are unnecessary for cards that are already so hard to parse. Just go all the way and ditch them to get the complete stone look, I say

Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:54 (twelve hours ago) Permalink

The art on most of these is excellent too. really dig the simplicity

Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:56 (twelve hours ago) Permalink


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