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That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (13 years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (13 years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (13 years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (13 years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (13 years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (13 years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (13 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (13 years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (13 years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (13 years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (13 years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (13 years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (13 years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (13 years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (13 years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (13 years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (13 years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (13 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

that card is quite popular currently

ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 19:09 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I have mostly been playing legacy (going to columbus actually...) and grinding lorwyn/10th edition drafts online but I would probably play the death's shadow aggro deck if I were playing modern right now, that deck is a lot of fun

iatee, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 19:15 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

oh i forgot there was a legacy gp this weekend, i should probably take advantage of that to play some matches while there are more people in queue

ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 19:23 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah the gauntlet will be online soon, should be fun

iatee, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 19:24 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i dont really care about the gauntlet, i just want some practice with my deck (aluren)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 19:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

aluren is pretty cool, I might try that in paper one day since I have a playset of recruiters and can borrow my friend's shardless bug deck

iatee, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 19:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Sorry to be here asking so many beginner's questions, but what are these pre-named, pre-made decks? Does anyone ever build their own deck from scratch or is that not generally what is done if you are playing in tournaments?

It certainly is punk of the Church of England to think that way (tangenttangent), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 20:04 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

There's plenty of people who build their own decks, but most competitive players are content to start with a proven strategy and make tweaks from there.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 20:24 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Ty, good to know. I'm far from that stage yet

It certainly is punk of the Church of England to think that way (tangenttangent), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 20:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I haven't played competitive constructed in a long long time but I think it's a lot harder to be successful with your own homebrew these days, since formats get effectively solved and sorted into tier 1/tier 2/fringe decks very quickly. Also I think the cards are in general more powerful now, it's tough to really metagame well for some of the better decks in the format.

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:00 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, to elaborate, there's so many people playing this game that generally every time a new set is released, all the powerful strategies/interactions get found within a few weeks and then competitive deckbuilding becomes more about picking your preferred one of them and slowly evolving it to match up well against whatever's popular.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:19 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

of course, you could always be one of the people who found a major strategy in those first few weeks but the odds are against you

ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

man, I remember it taking like...a month before people figured out you could effectively "cheat" Tangle Wire, and suddenly there were copies in what seemed like every Standard deck. those were the days.

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

also sometimes you dust off some old idea that was publicly known but discarded as a gimmick and stumble on a slightly different build of it that's a bit more consistent and win a bunch of events with it on magic online and then some pro tour player sees it and brings it to the next PT and then a year or 2 later a card gets banned in modern

ciderpress, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

>Does anyone play/know of anywhere to play in London that isn't terrifying?

Your choices are mostly Dark Sphere in Lambeth or Leisure Games in Finchley. I don't know anything about the latter but it's meant to be nice. I have only good things to say about Dark Sphere - it's super nerdy obviously but they try hard to make it pleasant and friendly.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:36 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

How did folks do drafting Eternal Masters? I had a ton of fun playing a BR aggro/sacrifice deck with 3 copies of Dragon Egg. Love that card. Gonna draft it a couple more times this coming weekend :)

davey, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 01:50 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Draft the set, that is. Maybe not the same deck

davey, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 01:50 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

didn't sign up for the local drafts in time, gonna draft it on magic online whenever it's out on there (probably next week?)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 02:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

it's friday. i am starting to get a cold already. maybe the flu. something at any rate.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 02:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I went 11-4 at gp columbus this weekend but finished out of t64 on breakers. woulda liked to do a little bit better but I do have my first pro points.

still haven't touched eternal masters but it does look like a good limited set.

iatee, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 13:29 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

not bad! you still playing the recruiter taxes deck?

ciderpress, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 13:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yep. in prague someone ended up one misplay away from t8'ing with it http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/430202#paper

it's a very strong list, vial + imperial recruiter is super broken in a format where card advantage is hard to come by and mana is super tight

iatee, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 13:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Hope you're feeling better, Roberto! xp

davey, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 19:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

thx, have a feeling i'll be fine by friday evening

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 14 June 2016 20:19 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

so this new set looks uh...pretty nutso thus far. everything's turning into an Eldrazi. plus they're finally doing a merge mechanic where two specific creatures become one super-creature.

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 13:59 (2 days ago) Permalink

there's 3 things i'm particularly tired of right now: 1) eldrazi 2) multicolor sets 3) sequel sets throwing so much of their weight into callbacks e.g. second iterations of legendary creatures

we've been getting a lot of 1 and 3 lately so my engagement level is low. this set looks fine, i'll play it, but nothing's gotten me too excited yet.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 14:26 (2 days ago) Permalink

my favorite card so far is the G 1/1 deathtouch with delirium +2/+2. curious to see how many formats it cracks

ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 14:27 (2 days ago) Permalink

seems like just the word eldrazi is making ppl check out right now but i do like how they seem to be using them in the context of innistrad from what we have seen so far.

also, i can't imagine we will see back to back return sets again any time soon. i get the impression there is the feeling that a successful return requires both recapturing the milieu and also the experience of the earlier set and imo if they are really going 50/50 with new and old planes they need to question the wisdom of that or it will stale the return sets. varying the approach will keep things feeling fresher.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 14:44 (2 days ago) Permalink

ok another new one i like a lot:
http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpjwxcnw5_EMN/en_D0gaFPhvFg.png

ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 14:53 (2 days ago) Permalink

the fall set is Kaladesh the steampunk india plane from all the origins thopter cards, so that should be a nice respite from eldrazi for a bit. maro's been talking it up as his best design since original innistrad which uh...he said similar things about theros and that one ended up being just okay so we'll see

ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 15:01 (2 days ago) Permalink

The Eldrazi reveal caught me by surprise but only because I only know about the story vaguely. felt like I was the only one on my FB feed surprised. if it was just Emrakul that'd be one thing, but based on Meld and Emerge, it seems there's gonna be a sizeable amount of Eldrazi here. if Thought-Knot Seer, Reality Smasher, and Displacer hadn't invaded every freaking format in the game in the last year, I would be more excited. SOI is also my favorite draft format probably since original Innistrad so I hope that Eldrazi don't ruin the good INN vibes

Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 15:12 (2 days ago) Permalink

yeah that's a cool card Cider xp

Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 15:13 (2 days ago) Permalink

i do like that there are only 3 meld cards, that's a level of restraint we don't always see from them with wacky new things

ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 15:29 (2 days ago) Permalink

oh i also like the curious homunculus, that's a card that seems like it should be good enough for standard with an outside shot at bigger formats

ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 15:36 (2 days ago) Permalink

did they change the Legendary rule for Ulrich? or can you have one side flipped and one unflipped?

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 16:11 (2 days ago) Permalink

http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/docentofperfection.html

I love that Delver has become a whole storyline. This is a part of MTG design that I absolutely love.

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 16:13 (2 days ago) Permalink

yes you can have one of each side in play, this is already happening in standard with Avacyn

ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 17:03 (2 days ago) Permalink

oh yeah forgot that one was legendary. that's kinda dumb. there should just be a rule that says "both sides of a legendary card can't be in play at the same time".

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 17:04 (2 days ago) Permalink

the overall cost on this card is too conservative for it to actually be good but it is definitely sweet

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 19:16 (2 days ago) Permalink

man I really liked that card until I saw that you had to sac it

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 19:45 (2 days ago) Permalink

wait on second thought that would be totally broken as a repeatable effect

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2016 20:22 (2 days ago) Permalink

clearly, this is going to be the best card in the set:

http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/harmlessoffering.html

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2016 12:51 (Yesterday) Permalink

cool, can't wait to get a red Time Walk next

Vinnie, Thursday, 30 June 2016 12:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

but seriously, it'll be interesting to see if pure 2-card combo can make it back to Standard

Vinnie, Thursday, 30 June 2016 12:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

handing your opponent various pacts seems fun

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 30 June 2016 13:03 (Yesterday) Permalink

murder at uncommon. black uncommon kill anything in SOI is just sinister concoction, right?

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 30 June 2016 17:15 (Yesterday) Permalink

right, murder is standard-relevant, there's nothing more efficient already

ciderpress, Thursday, 30 June 2016 17:29 (Yesterday) Permalink


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