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That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (12 years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (12 years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (12 years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (12 years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (12 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (12 years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (12 years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (12 years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (12 years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (11 years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

Brother was quoted as saying "I know know just the person for that job"

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Sunday, 8 March 2015 01:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

the new commands seem pretty roundly meh, maybe with the exception of the gruul one if constructed can take advantage of the ramp. GW one i am sure will be lifegain, a +1/+1 counter, destroy enchantment, plus something underwhelming. depends how it is costed.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

note that the GR one is also a skullcrack if there's a deck that wants that effect and runs green

i was hoping that some of them would be more tightly designed like primal command from the original cycle where there were internal synergies between pairs of the abilities but so far other than the aforementioned skullcrack mode these are all just Here Are 4 Things These Colors Can Do

ciderpress, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:28 (2 months ago) Permalink

but it should go without saying that all of them are better than they look because they are 6 different spells on one card

ciderpress, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

gw one will obviously make a token since that's the one thing that none of the other 9 do at this point. this will probably also make it one of the strongest

ciderpress, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:35 (2 months ago) Permalink

makes sense

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

damn, red is getting some cards in this set

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

Now this is interesting, maybe the most "pushed" version of this red draw effect yet. For Modern I would guess Epic Experiment is better but I do think someone will find a home for this, even as just a 2-of or whatever

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Thursday, 12 March 2015 11:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

i was in the ballpark for the GW command i guess but i really didn't think they would put a fight on it. and with the low cmc the card seems pretty pushed. the no damage from a spell instead of lifegain option is pretty interesting, more narrow but more powerful.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 12 March 2015 18:32 (2 months ago) Permalink

just like the RG one, getting a 6-mode spell for 2 mana is insane regardless of how low-impact each mode is. these will be strong cards

ciderpress, Thursday, 12 March 2015 19:23 (2 months ago) Permalink

full spoiler is up, a lot of cool artwork in this set

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 13 March 2015 15:10 (2 months ago) Permalink

this set actually looks really fun to me on first glance. lots of good commons.

ciderpress, Friday, 13 March 2015 15:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

Megamorph is a bit strange to me. Maybe because I'm so used to 5 mana being the key point for powerful morphs. In this set, there are a lot of ones for over 5 that just seem too costly for the effect, while the under 5s seem really good.

Also, the Rebound effects look really powerful.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 13 March 2015 16:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

the exploit cards look really strong for limited to me, they let you draft a tighter curve without getting punished for it since you can cash in your early drops for more cards as they become irrelevant. the effects on the common ones are better than i was expecting.

ciderpress, Friday, 13 March 2015 19:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

hey iatee what's the status of that tasigur delver deck? you still happy with it? i'm looking to re-enter modern in the near future and i need to lock in on a deck

ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:58 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah very happy. it has a good game against every t1 deck and there are a lot of angles of attack - you can be the t1 delver deck or you can be the grindy snapcaster control deck, depending on what your opening hand looks like. I think the sb has yet to be 'solved' but the maindeck seems like it more or less has been (play deprives).

iatee, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah i definitely like the deprives. do you run 18 land or 19?

ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

or more? i think more is probably bad though

ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

18. w/ 12 cantrips you still end up flooding more often than losing from screw ime.

iatee, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:10 (2 months ago) Permalink

(plus 3 electrolyze)

iatee, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:10 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

i kind of want 2 get into this but it seems deeply complicated in an unfun way?

― THE BATHYPELAGIC ZONE (Lamp), Thursday, 11 June 2009 01:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha

deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 11 April 2015 14:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

deej, have you been able to get some games in so far?

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Saturday, 11 April 2015 15:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

i went w/ iatee to a draft last night and got murdered, lol

i have no conception of what the valuable cards are at this point

deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 11 April 2015 15:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

i mean valuable in the functional sense not $$ sense

deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 11 April 2015 15:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

Not sure how much you want to nerd out on this, but there are tons of helpful videos online.

These aired at from the Dragons of Tarkir pro tour yesterday:


ChannelFireball does a lot of magic online draft videos where they walk you through their picks:


If you really want to go deep, Limited Resources and The Magic Show do full set reviews where the discuss every last card in the most recent set to determine which are more or less valuable in draft.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Saturday, 11 April 2015 15:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

xp the classic mnemonic for developing drafting priorities is BREAD

B = bombs, meaning cards that can win the game on their own like big flying creatures etc
R = removal, cards that kill creatures, the less restrictive the better
E = evasion, creatures with flying or unblockable or other abilities that let them get through blockers
A = aggressive cards; creatures with good stats and good pump spells/tricks
D = defensive cards; creatures that block well but don't attack well, counterspells, etc tend to be available late and aren't as important

obviously the lines get blurred when applying this to actual cards, like flying creatures with low power relative to their mana cost probably aren't actually that good compared to an efficient 3/3 or 4/4 ground creature but its a good place to start

ciderpress, Saturday, 11 April 2015 17:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

MTGO just replaced all the Swiss and 4-3-2-2 drafts with Swiss 6-2-2-2 queues. I'm a fan.

frogbs, Saturday, 11 April 2015 17:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

anyway, I've done a few DTK drafts and I'm baffled by it...almost feels a bit like a core set to me, because I always wind up with a bunch of unremarkable 2- and 3-drops and low-level removal, and games sort of go real long sometimes, both players trying to draw their bombs while not being able to muster up much on the ground. I see the synergy all there, especially with Exploit and Bolster, I just never seem to be able to get a solid deck going...any tips?

frogbs, Sunday, 12 April 2015 20:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

Jeremy Dezani got DQed too

Vinnie, Monday, 13 April 2015 03:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

anyway, I've done a few DTK drafts and I'm baffled by it...almost feels a bit like a core set to me, because I always wind up with a bunch of unremarkable 2- and 3-drops and low-level removal, and games sort of go real long sometimes, both players trying to draw their bombs while not being able to muster up much on the ground. I see the synergy all there, especially with Exploit and Bolster, I just never seem to be able to get a solid deck going...any tips?

yeah its a very core set style format ime so just solid draft fundamentals. i went 22-2 in the mtgo release queues #braggin just curving out and using combat tricks and some removal. weirdly ive been enjoying how simple the set is to draft after khans

no (Lamp), Monday, 13 April 2015 22:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

i rlly like this draft format. its core-set-like in that it doesn't really have an overarching mechanical theme and thus rewards fundamentals, but still feels like theres more interesting things to do than in most core sets

my favorite niche thing so far is the UG conifer strider + taigam's strike deck

ciderpress, Monday, 13 April 2015 23:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

my win rate on the dozen or so 8-4s i have played so far is like 50% right now, which i think is the result of drafting decks that do "fun" things without necessarily winning games, which there seems to be a lot of scope for in this format

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

i had a mastery of the unseen/4 x student of ojutai deck. mastery was also my win condition. i gained a lot of life.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

just looking through the set again I think U/B is the strongest, especially since it's way underdrafted now. that deck just looks to get a ton of value and can wind up with a good board and 4-5 cards in hand by turn six pretty easily. that 'whenever you sac a creature, your opponent sacs a creatre' dragon is NUTS. G/W looks strong but there is a lot of removal for little creatures so IMO it has trouble getting off the ground.

frogbs, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

I love how UB is looking. Really hoping I get a chance to draft this soon.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 22:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

pretty sure RB dash is the strongest deck if you get a good one. have seen a handful of turn 5-6 kills already, mostly involving ambuscade shaman

ciderpress, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 01:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah, that one plus the dash discount guy, so good

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

ime r/b then u/b then r/g then u/w then w/g

w/g is really the only clan (dragon?) that im avoiding and even then i managed to 2-1 a draft last night with a w/g deck that had all the inherent problems of that color combination

no (Lamp), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 22:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

i have really enjoyed the five (!) mm2 drafts i've done so far. the set seems quite a bit looser than the first modern masters, with more cards slotting into multiple archetypes and less focus on forcing archetypes generally.

no (Lamp), Sunday, 24 May 2015 02:21 (5 days ago) Permalink

I opened noble/leyline/liege in my first and only draft. it was fun. getting the sense prices are gonna tank hard for all these cards.

iatee, Sunday, 24 May 2015 02:54 (5 days ago) Permalink

my very first pack had endrek sahr, master breeder as the rare and foil raise the alarm. pretty much all my packs had been the same until i got an opal and foil splinter twin in my most recent draft.

no (Lamp), Sunday, 24 May 2015 03:00 (5 days ago) Permalink

just bought a bunch of standard cards so i can play gp providence, yuck. gonna run some sort of loose aspect of hydra / collected company GW deck i think.

haven't played new modern masters yet, but it looks more fun than the last one

ciderpress, Sunday, 24 May 2015 16:01 (5 days ago) Permalink

shame about the packaging though, once again it's a "only buy from trusted dealers" situation

frogbs, Sunday, 24 May 2015 16:05 (5 days ago) Permalink

yeah so much about this seems poorly planned. the packaging, the printing process...

iatee, Sunday, 24 May 2015 16:08 (5 days ago) Permalink

been on a pretty strong run IRL with R/G Dragons since DTK came out, am considering getting more focused on building a standard collection in MTGO, I'd like to get myself to a good place to battle online post-rotation. I'm not thrilled with the prospect of pouring a bunch of cash into MTGO, but I'm feeling like I don't get enough reps with paper magic. I could easily see this turning out to be a fool's errand.

Can't really afford MM15, but it looks fun. Have considered building a cheapo zoo deck to dip into Modern, but again, it may just be turn out to be a fantasy.

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Sunday, 24 May 2015 16:16 (5 days ago) Permalink

mono u tron is a pretty good intro to modern deck. good pilots can do really well with it / gonna teach you the format more than r/g zoo cause it's a reactive control deck. but still quite cheap.

iatee, Sunday, 24 May 2015 17:38 (5 days ago) Permalink


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