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That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (13 years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (13 years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (13 years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (13 years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (13 years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (13 years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (13 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (13 years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (13 years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (13 years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (13 years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (13 years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (13 years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (13 years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (13 years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (13 years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (13 years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (13 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

in what way? it's certainly not going to take over the format

ciderpress, Monday, 4 April 2016 15:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lantern is the most miserable deck in the universe so it's probably better to not even suggest that more people could play it

iatee, Monday, 4 April 2016 15:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i'm hopeful that's not the destination for thopter foundry given that ancient stirrings doesn't get it

ciderpress, Monday, 4 April 2016 15:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

they should ban ancient stirrings

iatee, Monday, 4 April 2016 16:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

anyone else trapped in the broken mocs monthly?

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 9 April 2016 15:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i opened chandra and wanted to force red but it was very shallow. ended up with a choice between

http://i.imgur.com/7BmWM4v.jpg

and

http://i.imgur.com/z2rRwr8.png

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 9 April 2016 15:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i haven't had chandra in limited but it seems like she's a bit awkward in WR? i'd play the blue version there but i'm not excited about either one

ciderpress, Saturday, 9 April 2016 16:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i started the wr because both builds were only ok and chandra is a real bomb, she can do so much. maybe a mistake because i sided into wu both matches, vs a rampy deck for the more advantageous interaction and vs a flyer heavy deck. 0-2

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 9 April 2016 16:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

just ran into an Avacyn in Sealed, that has got to be the most broken card in limited since Pack Rat at least

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 03:28 (1 week ago) Permalink

also - I was playing BG and getting Delirium was easier than I thought. that's definitely the ideal combo for it, unless I'm underestimating the blue cards.

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 03:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

BG is definitely intended to be the turbo delirium colors

ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 04:42 (1 week ago) Permalink

sealed league is great though, being able to just crack a sealed pool and mess around with it with no time limit is wonderful, as is the ability to save multiple deck configurations

ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 04:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

the friendly league looks intriguing - tough to blow through tickets very fast on those I gather. I assume taking the extra pack during rounds 2 and 3 is -EV, right?

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 12:02 (1 week ago) Permalink

extra pack probably makes your deck a reasonable amount better, I think it'd be tough to win without it especially in the last stage where people have 8 packs

i'm sticking to the normal ("competitive ") queue, 5 matches with 1 pool is about right for me

ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 12:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah I can imagine 9 matches being a slog though I would imagine getting the extra pack and potentially rebuilding your entire deck could make it more fun. trouble is I think the competitive queues are going to get harder since a lot of the not-as-good players are going to be moving over to friendlies, and you can blow through tickets really fast in these leagues. I bombed the 2 SOI ones I did, one I had a godawful pool and didn't win a game, the other I started 2-0 but ran into a dude with Avacyn and Jace, round 4 my opponent topdecked to win 2 very close games, round 5 I got hopelessly flooded. what can ya do?

(it is very possible that I just don't get this format yet)

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 12:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

have had a good time with some of the grindier/build around cards in sealed but not sure how well they will carry over the draft. had 4 wins with a very fun 4c spells deck based around the enchantment that gives you a clue when you cast a sorcery/instant and rise from the tides. could rip through the deck very fast and then drop 18+ zombies (doubled with geistblast). tried similar in my first draft and put together a more streamlined version that could go off earlier and was unstoppable against another slower opponent but was completely steamrolled by a pretty run of the mill aggro deck. still feel like potential is there tho.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 12:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

its definitely been fun to play so far. I like formats where cards that would be unplayable otherwise can suddenly become important pieces in your deck (think Fork in the Road, or that 3-mana Altar's Reap). I know it's unexciting but investigate is really a cool mechanic.

one thing I've noticed is that some of those 2-mana flippies are brutal. both Lambholt Pacifist and Duskwatch Recruiter are a total nightmare if they flip on turn 3, essentially punishing you for getting off to a poor start. at least the 4/2 red one can be traded for, but 4/4s are tough to deal with so early and the Recruiter/Howler can really pile it on - both times its happened (thus far in my favor) it's felt like the game was over before it really started. (the original Innistrad had this issue as well)

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 13:10 (1 week ago) Permalink

innistrad 1 was way more punishing than this format if you missed a play on turns 2-4

ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 13:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

freaking silent departure, that card gave everyone nightmares. a turn late on your stabilizing blocker? now you're 3 turns late, good luck

ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 13:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

flyers seem really good in this format

iatee, Thursday, 21 April 2016 04:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah that is becoming evident to me as well

ciderpress, Thursday, 21 April 2016 04:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

just lost my 3rd sealed match to Avacyn, how the hell do people keep opening this card??

other than that the format is really fun

frogbs, Thursday, 21 April 2016 13:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

so who's going to gp ny?

iatee, Thursday, 28 April 2016 02:59 (2 days ago) Permalink

'ny'

iatee, Thursday, 28 April 2016 02:59 (2 days ago) Permalink

Any legacy players on ilx?

Andrew (nf), Thursday, 28 April 2016 03:57 (2 days ago) Permalink

haha yeah I play more legacy than anything else these days

iatee, Thursday, 28 April 2016 04:03 (2 days ago) Permalink

Aside from the inane platinum changes to next season (which got rescinded already), this PT was probably the best one I remember since, whichever one had Kibler against Finkel in the top 8. This one was probably better actually. Both Standard and Draft seem so good right now, though I usually think Standard is best right after the new large set, before the format settles. Can't wait to dive into drafts more - the format looks to be close to the same level as orig Innistrad, with lots of synergy, several build-around cards, mostly balanced archetypes

Vinnie, Thursday, 28 April 2016 08:11 (2 days ago) Permalink

I'm glad the PT introduced a bit more variety into Standard when it was threatening to be very narrow. Still trying to sort out what I can plan without going broke. I have a b/w Eldrazi list that I really like, but it's just a bit too weak against the field.

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 28 April 2016 12:20 (2 days ago) Permalink

yeah good format so far

ciderpress, Thursday, 28 April 2016 12:59 (2 days ago) Permalink

draft format isn't that much like innistrad though except for the werewolf tension

ciderpress, Thursday, 28 April 2016 13:01 (2 days ago) Permalink

anyone on here tried out Hex? graphically, it looks almost like a copy of Duels. A bunch of pros are promoting it, don't know if it is any good though.

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 28 April 2016 13:49 (2 days ago) Permalink

Draft thus far has been really fun, I love formats that make you reevaluate cards that wouldn't be playable in other sets. A good example is Macabre Waltz, or the 1/1 W dude where you can discard to tap a creature. Some of the madness-oriented decks are crazy - I've won and lost a few games on god draws, which strangely I kinda missed.

frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:01 (2 days ago) Permalink

b/r mad vamps in soi is by miles the highest variance archetype since i started playing. i guess i appreciate its role in the limited environment but i can't stand playing it and find it super aggravating to lose to.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:09 (2 days ago) Permalink

yeah, having some early discard outlets is very important. Makes something like Tormenting Voice a much higher pick than something like Murderer's Axe.

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:10 (2 days ago) Permalink

insolent neonate the 1 drop sac/discard/draw guy in your opening hand is either a turn 3 5 drop or a mulligan.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:18 (2 days ago) Permalink

btw - this is a pretty useful tool for MTGO players wondering how the events stack up in terms of EV:

https://www.goatbots.com/ev_calculator.php

basically, you need to win 64% of the time for the competitive league to be better EV than the friendlies (among harder competition too) - does anyone have a winrate that high?

frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:19 (2 days ago) Permalink

some of the pools i have opened, if i saw 9 games stretching out in front of me i would uninstall mtgo and get on with my life

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:23 (2 days ago) Permalink

b/r mad vamps in soi is by miles the highest variance archetype since i started playing. i guess i appreciate its role in the limited environment but i can't stand playing it and find it super aggravating to lose to.

yeah madness is a fun mechanic but at the same time if you have a discard outlet, 'draw a card, cheat something into play' just feels a tad overpowered for fair limited play. and if you don't have a discard outlet you play with a bunch of underpowered cards.

iatee, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:37 (2 days ago) Permalink

yeah i'm not a big fan of cost reduction madness in limited, doesn't feel necessary to make the mechanic good. would rather madness cost was just always the same as the normal cost

ciderpress, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:58 (2 days ago) Permalink

madness already adds instant speed and generally puts you up a card, that's good enough!

ciderpress, Thursday, 28 April 2016 18:00 (2 days ago) Permalink

running GW tokens deck list for game day this weeknd XD

it's gonna be my first entry into standard since type ii was a thing

davey, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:05 (2 days ago) Permalink

had very mixed results with the vampires deck in ltd. seems like a few decks want the key cards so it's hard to get it to come together

davey, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:06 (2 days ago) Permalink

I got wrecked by a madness deck at the prerelease. Reckless Scholar is insane if the rest of your pool supports it. I might play some draft next week, it does seem a lot of fun.

Standard actually seems fun now, judging by the PT. I liked both Brad's GR Goggles deck and LSV's BG Aristrocrats deck. But I don't it looks fun enough to shell out the $$$.

I've just started buying into Legacy, built a Solidairty (reset-tide) deck and am now putting together a UW Stoneblade deck.

I don't know where anyone here is located, but I'll probably be playing Modern this Sunday at Channel Fireball.

Andrew (nf), Friday, 29 April 2016 01:42 (Yesterday) Permalink

think you might be the only west coast person on this thread.

yeah this is the first time since innistrad/rtr where I've actually been interested in multiple standard decks, but I don't have enough time to both play it + other formats regularly, so I'm still not gonna buy a deck.

iatee, Friday, 29 April 2016 02:28 (Yesterday) Permalink

Seasons past is a sweet one, such an absurd card

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Friday, 29 April 2016 02:38 (Yesterday) Permalink

I had Seasons Past in my prerelease pool. Won all the games that I drew it. It is crazy and great.

Andrew (nf), Friday, 29 April 2016 04:33 (Yesterday) Permalink

Yeah Seasons Past is nutty. Just lost my deciding final match for prize in a sealed league cause of that card

Vinnie, Friday, 29 April 2016 13:59 (Yesterday) Permalink


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