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That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (11 years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (11 years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

i impulse bought the new dotp the day it came out and it is super thin. i wondered if maybe they are going to add in some of the missing features and modes as dlc. but tbf, i did get something like the going rate for the amount of mtg entertainment 15 bucks buys!

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 1 August 2014 19:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I realize how tough it is to write a client for such a complex game - those who gripe about MTGO by pointing out that Hearthstone or SolForge have much better interfaces seem to be missing just how wide a lattitude of things have to be given in Magic (especially considering that it has to support like 10 years worth of cards that weren't designed with the rules being like they are now) - but what bothers me is just the easy design stuff, like how there's so much blankspace on the battlefield now and yet the colorless mana symbols are basically unreadable on a 19" monitor, or how hopeless it is to get the chat or preview panes to stay anywhere, like it's the kind of stuff you'd think would get immediately pointed out during testing. At least the life total isn't a Font Size 7 number off in the corner anymore.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 1 August 2014 19:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

the website has no similar excuses - a basic site where you can find and read articles w/ text and photos shouldn't take a company w/ the best programmers in seattle or w/e, it should be something any competent company can get done in 2014

iatee, Friday, 1 August 2014 19:30 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/2015-pro-tour-and-grand-prix-schedule-revealed-2014-08-02

so dumb, no more modern protours (at least next year)

iatee, Saturday, 2 August 2014 21:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Upset at that announcement - Of the three PT formats, Standard is my least favorite to watch and play (not that I'm likely to play in another Pro Tour again soon, heh). Also, are they just done having PTs in Asia?

Vinnie, Sunday, 3 August 2014 15:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i really wonder what prompted that decision - my first thought was 'wow you really dont want to have to reprint fetchlands' but maybe they just feel like standard is the most profitable/worthwhile format to promote? idk

i missed most of the video coverage of the pt but quickly glancing at the the top 8 records it looks like jund planeswalkers may have been the most successful deck which is kinda interesting

dude (Lamp), Monday, 4 August 2014 15:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

White seems to be really powerful in M15 draft. I thought it would be since White was so underpowered in M14 (similar to how Blue was nearly unplayable in M13 but a powerhouse in M14) but I think it's even better than it looked on the spoiler, Triplicate Spirits is maybe the best common in the set, and that + Raise the Alarm gives you plenty of Convoke fodder and as mentioned here that +2/+1 instant is such a killer, as iatee mentioned you can't play around it even though you pretty much always know when they have it

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 4 August 2014 15:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm really liking these planeswalker builds, they look like lots of fun. I'm hoping to play my own version at next FNM.

Between SCG Dallas and PTM15, I think I watched about 20 hours of mtg broadcasts this week, it was pretty crazy. I wanted to go to Dallas, but then forgot about it until like a day before and had to bail.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Monday, 4 August 2014 15:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

if the white token deck is open, it's def the best deck in the format, I've seen / played games that weren't far from being the b/w modern tokens deck

red is also very good. infero fist, l strike, forge devils, cone, enforcers. I have found lava axe to be very playable in this format.

iatee, Monday, 4 August 2014 16:04 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i really wonder what prompted that decision - my first thought was 'wow you really dont want to have to reprint fetchlands' but maybe they just feel like standard is the most profitable/worthwhile format to promote? idk

it 'makes sense' if the protour is about advertising the set - born of the gods was a particularly bad set to release before a big modern event, but rarely will a set lead to new decks in the format. and standard post-release does reward the teams that have tested/brewed well.

but standard gameplay is pretty clearly not the highest level of play and that's supposed to be a big part of what a protour is

iatee, Monday, 4 August 2014 16:11 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I've mainboarded 2 Festerglooms just to take care of the tokens deck, only to have White Paragon come down and destroy me :(

Just paging through the spoiler it really looks like White has the best ratio of great uncommons, lots of solid bears + benefits, and Heliod's Pilgrim which can be really great, especially since it grabs Opressive Rays in a pinch. Losing Pacifism kinda sucks but you can really beat through just about anything, even Selfless Cathar can be a killer in this deck.

Blue on the other hand seems just not good, lots of overcosted flyers and some okay bounce but not much else. I've heard a number of good players say Black was the worst color in M15 but I think it's Blue. Black gets a lot of solid uncommons and I think the Rotfeaster is quite underrated.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 4 August 2014 16:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

blue is not a good core color for a deck but throwing some bounce/terns/illusory angels to an otherwise good deck is v good

iatee, Monday, 4 August 2014 16:48 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

maybe not saying much because red and white are already good but WU fliers and UR tempo/artifacts seem like p good archetypes in m15. my wins to date have been those two and GW.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

jund will always be at the top as long as they continue to be more willing to ban 'unfair' cards than 'fair' ones

Thinking about this a bit over the past couple of days, I've realised a card I really don't like is abrupt decay - I'm not really a Johnny at all and I can see that it could be positive for Legacy as an answer to Counterbalance but in Modern it's just a silent death-knell to so many fun and interesting cards.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Friday, 8 August 2014 10:33 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah there was a time not too long ago when people had to play Smother if they wanted to be able to kill tarmogoyfs and dark confidants with the same card, now they get to hit all the artifacts/enchantments that used to be blind spots too

ciderpress, Sunday, 10 August 2014 02:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the card itself doesn't seem oppressive (wasn't it mostly designed to give legacy people a break from top-locks?) it just sucks that it fits so well into the already best decks in modern

iatee, Sunday, 10 August 2014 04:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

oh gravel basically said the legacy thing oops

iatee, Sunday, 10 August 2014 04:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I have been playing delver in modern w/ illusory angel it's really sweet

iatee, Sunday, 10 August 2014 04:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

man i forgot that wasn't a 'real' card until m15, i get it mixed up with Illusory Demon for some reason

ciderpress, Sunday, 10 August 2014 12:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

modern pro tours back already

iatee, Sunday, 10 August 2014 22:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i'm fine with them locking in standard for all large-set PTs but they should let small-set PTs be other formats at least some of the time

ciderpress, Sunday, 10 August 2014 22:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

which seems to be what they're doing here so props

ciderpress, Sunday, 10 August 2014 22:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

neither mechanic is particularly linear so my fears of getting a gatecrash style limited format are hopefully unfounded

ciderpress, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:07 (1 week ago) Permalink

had not seen those. the mechanics seem pretty mild but make for interesting play decisions, which sounds good to me tbh

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

Prowess seems like a rather dangerous mechanic should they push a card hard for Standard play

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 18 August 2014 18:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

i think they're supposed to be mild, much like the ravnica guild mechanics. the block has morph in it already, which is one of the weirder mechanics that exist in this game, so you can't go too hard on the other ones

i really like how raid is the rare 'attacking matters' mechanic that doesn't actually scale in effectiveness with the aggressiveness of your deck; maybe we can finally get a limited format where RW aggro isn't capable of snowballing

ciderpress, Monday, 18 August 2014 18:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

ha yeah r/w has had quite the run hasn't it

iatee, Monday, 18 August 2014 19:26 (1 week ago) Permalink

my favourite reimbursement claim to date, a triple whammy of sorts:

During pack 1 of this draft, on two occasions the draft froze for an extended period with 0:00 on the clock for the pick and then jumped ahead, by one pick first time and two picks second time, adding random cards to my deck. I pressed ahead anyway and got to deck building. I tried to submit and was told I could not and had to log back in. When I did, several of my cards were missing, replaced by basic lands.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 00:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

something similar happened to me once where it gave me a 70 card deck with a ton of extra basic lands but not the cards that I wasn't playing. I have no clue what happened but it was as if the submit didn't take and it just gave me the standard 80 (or whatever) card deck that's every card you drafted plus an "auto" assortment of lands, but then it took out every non-land I didn't submit. I don't even know how a glitch like that could happen.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 01:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

new archetype discovered by draft opponent

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 23 August 2014 15:07 (4 days ago) Permalink

that seems fine if his deck is full of like wall of mulch & hornet nest & red removal

ciderpress, Saturday, 23 August 2014 15:33 (4 days ago) Permalink

that is fair. it did make me lol tho. and...it wasn't.

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 23 August 2014 16:13 (4 days ago) Permalink

any thoughts on the maro bomb?

iatee, Monday, 25 August 2014 17:06 (2 days ago) Permalink

you'll have to explain

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 25 August 2014 17:45 (2 days ago) Permalink

no more core sets, all blocks will be 2 sets

iatee, Monday, 25 August 2014 17:51 (2 days ago) Permalink

wow, that's nuts. I guess that solves the "3rd set problem" huh?

what's the release schedule for these going to be? it's not gonna be every 3 months now is it?

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 25 August 2014 17:53 (2 days ago) Permalink

standard rotates spring and fall with each block, 18 month cycle instead of 24

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 25 August 2014 17:54 (2 days ago) Permalink

that's pretty big news, but as someone who plays 95% limited I do find it rather exciting, drafting one set for an entire year is boring and I always found full-block draft to be a little awkward

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 25 August 2014 18:07 (2 days ago) Permalink

yeah I think it's pretty tricky to design in a way to ensure drafting both the first set and full block will create coherent/dynamic limited metas

it's pretty hard to ensure that full block 'does something' cause the variance between pools is always so high

iatee, Monday, 25 August 2014 18:11 (2 days ago) Permalink

yeah this is a pretty universally positive change imo. more 'expert-level' limited formats and more standard rotations is exactly what the game needs to stay fresh in the twitch.tv era

ciderpress, Monday, 25 August 2014 18:19 (2 days ago) Permalink

especially since people are figuring out very very quickly what the best decks are and fine-tuning them into oblivion, reducing the amount of time something like Caw-blade or Monoblack devotion would be in Standard is probably a good thing

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 25 August 2014 18:42 (2 days ago) Permalink

I'm sure it's a good change, but I suspect it will end up making it that much more expensive to keep up with standard

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Monday, 25 August 2014 19:00 (2 days ago) Permalink

my fuzzy logic suggests that it'll be around 10% more expensive to keep up with standard, which is worth it for a more dynamic format imo

ciderpress, Monday, 25 August 2014 19:40 (2 days ago) Permalink

It'll be interesting to see how that impacts Twitch. I hope it doesn't change too much. I've been loving watching live MTG tournaments every weekend on the big screen via Roku.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Monday, 25 August 2014 21:50 (2 days ago) Permalink


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