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That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

idk I think if you include MTGO then Top is way more obnoxious, it pretty much singlehandedly adds 5+ extra minutes to the match, can't think of another card like that offhand

personally I find Jace TMS the most miserable card to play against, I was so happy when that got banned

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:00 (four weeks ago) Permalink

top in cube is particularly obnoxious. overall if my opponent is playing top i figure i am getting like +5% win equity at the cost of sitting through 10 minutes additional pointless fucking around time.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:11 (four weeks ago) Permalink

top can be strong in cube in decks that look more or less like legacy miracles (lotta fetches, maybe some actual miracles)

the card is obviously very poorly designed, for sure. it's funny can any number of small tweaks (add a mana here or there, make the draw effect sorcery speed, etc.) would have made it a totally fine card, but in the end it's just a little bit too efficient.

iatee, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:30 (four weeks ago) Permalink

if you had to tap to do the Sylvan Library ability that would help too. a lot of my frustrations with the card had to do with the fact that I could never kill it. plus I remember a lot of "upkeep Top, crack fetch, Top again" where people would spend 2 full minutes before getting to their main phase.

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:32 (four weeks ago) Permalink

my one amonkhet discovery so far is that, because all of the cycling synergy stuff triggers off discard, the 1U sometime looter guy can potentially be strong in that archetype. effectively makes any non-creature spells you cast potentially count as a cycle, which could be very important for critical mass. just at common, that guy into the 2/3 sentinels that pump on discard is a p nice start

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 19:09 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I did one draft last night and opened the stupid dragon + lili so I 'did okay' but the one deck that scared me was a mono-cycling deck that really went off one game. I guess you try and dive into that deck if you open a powerful enabler early? I wonder how fringe it's gonna be.

iatee, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 19:12 (four weeks ago) Permalink

drake haven is actually unbeatable unless you have one of the two enchantment removals in the set, both of which have cycling so the drake haven drafter is gonna cut them from other people if they're smart (they're also both white so if you're not playing that color then you're just screwed from the start)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 19:21 (four weeks ago) Permalink

it's not quite pack rat but it feels similarly futile if they have it on t3

ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 19:24 (four weeks ago) Permalink

That card is bonkers, yes. It basically reads "1U: drake" in the right deck. I Lay Claimed it because my opponent was going off, and still lost just to the two drakes he/she had already made

Vinnie, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 01:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i just had an opponent play it vs me and my immediate reaction was 'oh fuck i'm dead' and then they made a single drake with it over 3 turns and i was like 'oh phew they drew the wrong part of their deck to use it' and then they played sandwurm convergence and i died. quite the emotional rollercoaster

ciderpress, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 01:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i just got hit for 24 on turn 4 in draft

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 27 April 2017 00:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

did it involve that 4/1 mythic?

iatee, Thursday, 27 April 2017 00:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Buh bye, Felidar Guardian.

Moodles, Thursday, 27 April 2017 00:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's the right thing to do but the optics are really really bad for them to not have done it on Monday.

ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

they should just get rid of the set release B&R announcement and only have the mid-season one imo, makes everyone's job much easier

ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Do you buy their explanation? I think people are generally happy enough that they'll look past or forget about the clumsy way it was handled.

Maybe they should just announce bans whenever they need to rather than worrying about a schedule.

Moodles, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the schedule is important so that players can prepare for events appropriately

ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i don't really buy the stated explanation, i think 2 days of mtgo data is not enough to base a decision on. i think they were planning to hit it in the next one in 6 weeks to be consistent with the previous B&R message about waiting until after PT Amonkhet, but the community pressure plus fear of a stagnant PT forced their hand.

ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Would be cool if we get a real wild assortment of decks at scgatl, will probably just be 50/50 Mardu and GB thiugh.

Moodles, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

you'll see marvel too. ppl dont usually find radically new stuff before the PT unless its super obvious like drake haven or w/e

ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 02:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

this is my favorite deck i've drafted so far though sadly i hit the ass end of variance in the games http://i.imgur.com/MklfkLd.png

ciderpress, Sunday, 30 April 2017 00:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

This is my favourite sealed format I think I've ever played - you can do so many different things across all five colours and they all seem to work really well. The number of unbeatable cards is really small - like Rhonas, Glorybringer, Samut, Liliana, maybe the R/W gods or the Sphinx, but that's about it - nothing at rare.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Sunday, 30 April 2017 00:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i haven't tried sealed yet, i got annoyed at that format because there was a long string of sets where BUG were way better than R and W in sealed and it got boring always playing the same colors

ciderpress, Sunday, 30 April 2017 00:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

also 5 matches feels like a marathon compared to the only 4-round events for some reason

ciderpress, Sunday, 30 April 2017 01:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

*old

ciderpress, Sunday, 30 April 2017 01:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I've had little success in Sealed so far but lots of close, fun matches. The number one thing that bugs me is the lack of enchantment removal, cause there are some game winning enchantments, but I did manage to outrace the black curse one match, which was thrilling. Glorybringer also should've been mythic, I have yet to beat that card

Vinnie, Sunday, 30 April 2017 01:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah idk why that one is the rare and the double combat step one is the mythic

ciderpress, Sunday, 30 April 2017 01:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

complexity maybe? idk. i've had glorybringer one time and the only time i drew it it got cloned and then killed. terrible card.

i'm winding up super grindy almost every draft, probably i ought to correct for some biases. as far as enchantment removal goes, i was in a very control-y game with drake haven vs an opp whose way to win the game was convergence, also happening to nerf my win con, and i was able to win by using the griptide/timetwister card to get rid of it for long enough. felt almost like cube.

earlier today i had someone plague wind me by casting blazing volley 4 times in one turn.

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 30 April 2017 02:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

4 times? how did that happen?

rares and mythics have the same level of complexity I think - it's more the uh epicness that distinguishes them. or something. I don't know anymore. on paper, the double combat step guys seems very powerful, maybe even mythic level powerful, but no cards with that effect have been playable in constructed... ever? I'm predisposed to be disappointed by double combat step cards

Vinnie, Sunday, 30 April 2017 04:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

t I did manage to outrace the black curse one match

Yeah I can't evaluate that card at all - I've faced it a lot on t2, where it's like "drain 7" - which is a good card in a format that can be race-y at times, but I also don't see the games where it's stuck in their hands being embarrassing, so... I don't think it's a for-sure maindeckable card but I could be totally wrong.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Sunday, 30 April 2017 12:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i think he meant the 7 mana curse.

i experimented with the 2 mana curse after 1st picking the cycle drain 2 enchantment. i had enough early good blockers and interaction to make board stalls likely, and if you can get to mid game alive and have a couple of those on the battlefield it's a real thing. my win cons were drain and a couple big fliers, i don't know if i would consider it outside of exactly that kind of shell. in the game i was referencing, i was in a long stall vs a guy playing a bunch of RW dorks and we both had a pretty full hand - i had a bunch of cyclers and had decided to wait to draw the enchantment as it didn't seem like there was much urgency, and i assumed he had little creatures he wasn't playing because of the couple of curses i had down. but no, he was collecting his blazing volleys until he had all 4... i still won tho!

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 30 April 2017 12:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I meant Cruel Reality, the sac a creature or planeswalker every turn. yeah I don't think the drain curse is very good

Vinnie, Sunday, 30 April 2017 12:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp lol I am not surprised that you beat a person with 4 Blazing Volley in their deck

Vinnie, Sunday, 30 April 2017 12:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah but of course i happened to play that guy when it was actually reasonable tech against me! who knows what he thought he was doing otherwise. and it was g1 too.

the other time i built around the drain 2 enchantment i neglected to included the additional win support. i had a few big ground creatures - the 4 drop that gets indestructible, a couple of the 5 drop black dude that gets a boost, the blue 6 serpent - but if you don't get those down pretty early, later on it's hard to break a stall with them. every single game i decked with me at 30 life at opp at 4.

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 30 April 2017 12:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the 24 damage in turn 4 was t2 dork t3 red mythic w/ double attack step t4 white trial and red cartouche, falter my blocker, both creatures attack twice because of vigilance

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 30 April 2017 12:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Oh! I forgot about the 7 mana one, sorry.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Sunday, 30 April 2017 13:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp aurelia the warleader was played in standard a bit - the double combat phase effect really needs to be on a haste creature to be effective.

ciderpress, Sunday, 30 April 2017 17:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i think i now have gust walker and hooded brawler as my highest priority commons in draft, alongside magma spray. the drawback on the pacifism is surprisingly massive in this format - it doesn't actually answer a lot of the good cards and even when it does it just gives the green and black creatures a spot to dump their counters and come out bigger.

ciderpress, Monday, 1 May 2017 18:01 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i like the pacifism a lot. those downsides are valid in ordinary paced games but having a simple answer to a 4 power 2 drop or 5 power 3 drop is huge, enough to offset the downsides imo.

ppl seem to be taking hooded brawler highly now, i never see it anymore past like pick 4. green commons being a bit lackluster outside of the cartouche is probably contributing too.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 1 May 2017 18:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Finally managed to draft a deck that wasn't a trainwreck

Moodles, Monday, 8 May 2017 05:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ok, i give up

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 12 May 2017 18:43 (one week ago) Permalink

Hahaha at that draft deck

Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 20 May 2017 02:34 (three days ago) Permalink

I've played about 30 more sealeds in this format, and it's only gone up in my estimation

Gravel Puzzleworth, Saturday, 20 May 2017 02:35 (three days ago) Permalink

yeah it's a good set. not one of the best ever but above average imo.

ciderpress, Saturday, 20 May 2017 02:51 (three days ago) Permalink

objectively i think i would agree but personally i don't enjoy it and i haven't been playing it. it's a forgiving environment for high variance strategies, actually i would say welcoming more than forgiving, and while i think every good limited format should allow the dream of going all in on some bullshit, that shouldn't be tier 1. you have to be open to drafting decks where you can just look at your top 10 cards instead of playing the game, and that's not fun for me.

have to admit i only played a couple sealeds right at the release so although it seemed like 'who's got the bombs' i can't give that initial impression too much weight. might give sealed another shot actually. if only to keep me from looking at constructed decks...

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 20 May 2017 14:21 (three days ago) Permalink

I think every small set format has been better than its respective triple large set format since they​ went to the new system, so the bar for Hour of Devastation is high

ciderpress, Saturday, 20 May 2017 16:13 (three days ago) Permalink

really? i thought aer sucked

i have played 0 sealed of this format but have a bunch of sealed events coming up so i need to start practicing. i hear that it is good tho

( ^_^) (Lamp), Saturday, 20 May 2017 16:31 (three days ago) Permalink


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