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That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (12 years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (12 years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (12 years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (12 years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (12 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (12 years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (12 years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (12 years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (12 years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

ok these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

of course it will be extra amusing when your opponent casts Dig Through Time in response...

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Thursday, 8 January 2015 17:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

xp i don't think so, but it's gotten lots of ones with minor drawbacks or preconditions

ciderpress, Thursday, 8 January 2015 17:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

mardu scout art on some poochie shit

wizaerd (Lamp), Thursday, 8 January 2015 18:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol so otm

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 8 January 2015 18:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

& the ghastly conscription art looks like grimdark mario galaxy

ciderpress, Thursday, 8 January 2015 19:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol lamp

the green dark confidant dude @ uncommon seems kinda insane in limited

iatee, Thursday, 8 January 2015 19:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

full set is up on the wotc site

no october surprises this time really

ciderpress, Friday, 9 January 2015 18:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

had a quick scan thru at lunch, seemed like slight improvement in removal? more warriors, less reasons to care about warriors. and surely the worst delve card to date - peel from reality except 4U delve instead of 1U!

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 9 January 2015 19:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

this one does any nonland permanent, if that matters

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

I think that ones better than the 4uu frost breath

ciderpress, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

And yeah its non delve version actually costs 2u (aether tradewinds iirc) so it's one of the smallest delve penalties

ciderpress, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

pretty okay w/ pod being banned, it's either than or it stays the best deck indefinitely

cruise maybe less shocking tho I really didn't feel like it was broken in modern, people were playing thought scours just to turn it on, it's not like legacy where your graveyard just magically ends up w/ 10 cards in it. dig seemed scarier long-term.

I might play storm again in modern, it just lost two of its terrible matchups

iatee, Monday, 19 January 2015 17:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

either that*

iatee, Monday, 19 January 2015 17:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

i am giving up on modern.

wizaerd (Lamp), Monday, 19 January 2015 18:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

Bleh, there goes all the effort I sunk into Pod. I get the rationale and even agree with it, but it's annoying to have spent all that time and money. At least I still have Affinity

Vinnie, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 03:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

i don't mind modern as banlist-curated format though it does suck when your deck is the one that gets hit. this felt like a long time coming though, imo melira pod was the best deck in the format for the full 3 years since the punishing fire ban

i would expect GBx midrange decks to be the most popular choice again going forward. i think these decks mostly suck without bloodbraid elf and you should pick up one of the ramp decks if you want a lot of free wins (valakut, tron, amulet)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 14:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

anyone have prerelease tales to share?

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 15:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

i had 3 of the rare dragons in my pool so i played them all and crushed people

despite the format being really heavy on the small set (i think it was like 4.5 packs of the new set and 1.5 of khans?) it seemed to play well

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 15:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

played 2 prereleases. the first was Temur, which I struggled with as I had way too many 5 drops slowing down my curve, ended up 2-2-1. The second, at a different store, went Jeskai and had a much more consistent deck, went 3-0 without dropping a game along the way. Really loved the manifest auras, especially hexproof flyer. Had a fun blowout where my opponent tried to Arcbond me and wipe my board, so I sacked my targeted creature in response for Collateral Damage.

Overall, I pulled 4 fetchlands, so I guess they are being fairly generous with them at least in the initial print run. Otherwise, didn't pick up much that was notable besides a copy of the new phoenix.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

also saw a guy open an alternative art Ugin in one of those little Ugin packs. Didn't even realize these existed.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 16:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

another one I really like is Frost Walker. Thinking of jamming a couple copies in my temur deck instead of Elvish Mystic.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 17:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

That "when (x) becomes targeted, sacrifice" mechanic seems so terrible at first but it's really not much of a downside on a creature like this is it?

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

if it can get 1 or 2 hits in, it's great, if it can trade with a creature or eat a piece of removal, it's still pretty good. I love playing creatures like this or Heir of the Wilds because opponents often are loathe to spend a card on them when Knuckleblade, Ashcloud Phoenix, and Stormbreath Dragon are waiting in the wings, so you get to sneak in some free damage.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

one funny thing about that ability is that Bile Blight can only kill one at a time, Drown in Sorrow on the other hand...

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

not being able to put runemarks on it is a pretty big downside imo

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

there are definitely many more random things that could target it in limited than in standard

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah but how many of those would kill it anyway?

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

like, that was my main argument for playing the Phantom dudes in limited, just cuz cards that target creatures but don't kill them generally aren't so good. though I do concede they have a number of random ability dudes these days

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

it dies to abilities too, so for example, I lost a Frost Walker to a dashed Goblin Heelcutter attack

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

ah yeah, that's the sort of thing I'm thinking of

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

bannings really contributed to 'format diversity' huh?

in de rawk (Lamp), Sunday, 8 February 2015 04:09 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

pretty depressing. there already is a format for junk midrange siege rhino battles.

I wonder how much of it is 'top players are really risk-averse'?

iatee, Sunday, 8 February 2015 04:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

im sure thats part of it - probably a reason for the high % of burn decks in the field too tbh

its hard to argue that the bannings dindt just kill two decks w/o adding anything new to the format though

in de rawk (Lamp), Sunday, 8 February 2015 04:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yep. more than that no more t1 delver means no real tempo presence...and control builds, which weren't even prominent before the ban, also lost their only toy they've been given since sphinx's rev. so we're left with midrange vs burn vs combo?

that said I have been testing grixis delver for a bit recently and it actually feels pretty strong. I think it's too soon to totally discount the deck, like delve is a powerful mechanic and ur cantripy decks have the deepest graveyards.

iatee, Sunday, 8 February 2015 04:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i think 'top players are really risk-averse' is an important point here, i've long been of the opinion that GBx rock decks are bad for most players because they have absolutely no upside, they are always going to be 45-50% vs any field and you need to rely on being a lot better (or luckier) than the field to get your equity up high enough to win an event.

ciderpress, Sunday, 8 February 2015 16:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

but on the flipside you're never going to lose to a hate card which seems to outweigh any negatives for a large amount of players

ciderpress, Sunday, 8 February 2015 16:59 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i want to get into this again but like w/ cards not on a computer

is there a pt somewhere in this or another thread where re-entry into the game is discussed
btw i havent played since ~1995

deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 08:12 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

idk if we've discussed that in here

best way is obviously if you have a friend who's played more recently and can field yr questions about new cards/sets/rules etc. i started playing again because i had a roommate who played and i started going to the game store with him and got hooked again.

if you want to play in actual events, like at your local game shop or w/e, booster draft is probably the best format for new/re-entering players since you don't need to own any cards beforehand and if you do it regularly you'll build up a collection over time just from the cards you draft. plus its just the most fun way to play the game in general if you can afford to drop the $10-15 entry per draft.

if you just want to play casual w/ friends they make a bunch of prefab products that are good for that, like there's duel decks which are a set of 2 themed preconstructed decks that are designed to play against each other, and there's commander which is a multiplayer format w/ 100-card decks and some special rules, etc etc.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 14:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

if booster draft interests you, it would be worthwhile getting familiarized with the most recent sets, Khans of Tarkir and Fate Reforged. The full sets can be pulled up on Wizard's Gatherer tool:

If you are looking to brush up on some of basics of the game, Reid Duke has a fantastic set of articles that are worth checking out:

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 14:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

deej you live in ny right?

you should just come w/ me to some draft

iatee, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 14:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah theres kindof a bewildering number of ways to play physical magic cards so everyone is otm you should find someone you know irl to play with to get a sense of what options are like. there are some bars here that do casual magic nights - sealed and draft - and if you can find someone to take you to something like that its a great reintroduction to the game

in de rawk (Lamp), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 15:09 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

absolutely - I think the social aspect of the game is the best thing about it, if you're playing with cool people that is

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 16:41 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm cool

iatee, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 16:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Iatee you have my email right?

Yeah the social part is 100% why I want to do it ... Any excuse to avoid a computer tbh

deej loaf (D-40), Sunday, 15 February 2015 05:11 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah I'll email you

iatee, Sunday, 15 February 2015 06:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 16 February 2015 01:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I've been playing variations of this list post-tc and honestly it feels almost as strong as cruise-delver. got 2nd in a local gpt today (had opp on 1 life both games in the finals :(

really think the deck is secretly t1. you don't have the insane acceleration you got from cruise, but you also get a decent share of t2 tasigurs and actually have an answer for a resolved tarmogoyf. also can play discard spells and other fun stuff in the sb.

iatee, Monday, 2 March 2015 03:22 (11 hours ago) Permalink

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