Hip Hop taken to new levels.

haha just because someone says something ISN'T hip hop doesn't make it so!

oooh, someones on the deconstructionist tip.

Ah, where this is where "in my humble opinion" becomes the key phrase. Terms, definitions, values, aesthetics change over time.
Musical history has a nah-sty habit of changing over time (a topic worthy of another thread) Yeah, that concepts sounds really funny NOW.... (Muahaahahahaah)

I was arguing that instrumental music does not make hip hop any more groundbreaking, and associating this idea is particularly "white," assuming that the person suggesting it is coming from a rock background

"in your humble opinion". "in his humble opinion"
"just bringin' it back to the days of IMHO'llin'"

He DID learn! He used the word "asshats"!!!

Of course its "IMHO."

arguable

from the beginning, rock was based on instrumental music

The blues are mainly instrumental?

oooh, someones on the deconstructionist tip.

How so? I fail to see much to do with deconstructionism in the cited comment.

And I appreciate that. It IS personal, however, to assume that you know what someone has or hasn't heard, to assume that you know best what someone honestly likes more or less than something else, and so forth. Those are personal judgments and the net effect is to say, "Well, your opinion is wrong on an objective level, sorry." You couldn't have raised my hackles any more effectively and you couldn't have come across as any more humorless as a result. What I've said before stays just as true now -- don't hang around on a board thinking that you've found something which 'clearly' nobody else knows about or might not have already encountered, and don't draw automatic assumptions from what someone says about themselves or their preferences that somehow 'explains' everything about them. You're only going to get a hell of a lot of grief and most of it will be with damn good reason.

"You're out of yr element donnie."

see ddrake this is the kind of smug *bam* i'm smart me bullshit that gets me pissed. i actuallyhaven't read Blues People. This tells me nothing. This gives me no reason to read it. This is just a pretentious kid dropping names. At least gimme the salient points which have SOMETHING to do with whats being argued here.

You're all up for arguments, supposedly. So John drops you this:

Fine, but that's a very arguable position - not one you can "Bam!" as though revealing the Truth From On High. I'd argue that context limits the capacity for insight, and a fair number of people who think about reading/interpretation would tend to agree.

and what do you reply? what do you reply? you complain about being compared to Geir, instead of responding by arguing your point.

and
But no, I can't really offer pointers any more than anyone else can tell me in frank terms exactly what makes ROCK.
YOU FEEL IT MAN!!!

this was your attempt at a joke...right?

Bam.

Of course its arguable. That's what I'm doing, presenting an argument.

The blues are mainly instrumental?

The beginning of one's conception of the rock aesthetic, i.e. "Rock REALLY began with the beatles!" "Rock began with the Velvet Underground, for me," etc.

How so? I fail to see much to do with deconstructionism in the cited comment.

If he wants to play that way, "hip hop" can mean anything, and this entire thread is pointless. Perhaps "hip hop" refers to all music ever created. In which case my argument is no longer valid. Fuck circles, lets go in a mobius strip.

Ummm...no. That was me NOT being "pretentious," or claiming that I have any sort of knowledge to drop on anyone, simply because I DON'T know what yr experiences are.
i emphasize that Blues People is a great book though. I'm sorry that isn't convincing enough.

How so? I fail to see much to do with deconstructionism in the cited comment.

"If deconstruction means anything, it means that statements such as "deconstructionism means x" are meaningless."
-Jacques Derrida (roughly)

The correct response to that would be "I'd have to hear it first."

You mean besides "punk"?

Oooh, jess got the keys.. gotta get my dick in here somewhere...

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YEEEEEAH baby... lock it now, you sexy mofo

Substitute Blues People with, say, "The Bible" and you see why we're a bit bugged here. Fundamentalism's pretty boring in any guise.