Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

its weird how he's almost typecast now as the other guy who stands around lookin thoughtful in movies while the main dude does the real stuff... this, inception, lincoln

he did stuff in Looper! And in Premium Rush, which nobody saw but was pretty hilarious.

premium rush ruled

a thousand times more entertaining than dark knight rises, and half as long

agreed, was basically a remake of "Quicksilver" starring kevin bacon, altho i wish koepp had made the script a little less disney channel-ey, ie. the good times bike messenger gang that can be summoned with a phone call, in contrast with michael shannon beating a man to death, man pg13 is weird these days.

Re-watched this on DVD - dbl bill w/The Dark Knight.

Loved Dark Knight Rises, totally stands up, but Talia is really underwritten, or snaked in an unstaisfying way. Very much apparent that something isn't right when Bane pulls her out from execution by exile. In DK the Joker notices Batman's feelings for Rachel when he saves her at the Dent fundraiser, and uses that weakness -- nothing here for Bane to go for so no reason to keep her hostage.

Another weakness is Alfred. In DK he gets a terrific line about chasing the Bandit in Burma, here is emo gooey stuff that Michael Caine (who I never cared for) doesn't have the chops for.

Still, Bane's voice was actually much better than what I heard in the cinema and the fight in the light totally works in its sheer FASCISM. Terrific.

its weird how he's almost typecast now as the other guy who stands around lookin thoughtful in movies while the main dude does the real stuff... this, inception, lincoln

― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, December 9, 2012 2:04 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YES -- seriously why do people like this guy, he is the milquetoast shia lebeouf

he's brilliant in Mysterious Skin. That was quite a while ago though

i'll admit i did like him in 50/50

Mysterious Skin is the only performance I've seen that really knocked me out, but he certainly doesn't hurt any other movie I've seen him in

well of course milquetoast shia doesn't wreck shit like la real beouf

i think you're underappreciating him, but there definitely is a bit of the Linda Perry factor at play, where people can't believe that person from the '90s can actually do decent work now

nothing since Mysterious Skin has dignified any "new Heath Ledger" talk for sure

also sd did you see Mysterious Skin, Looper or Premium Rush?

yeah none of those yet

<i>you really think ppl went to a batman movie expecting a long mournful movie that took place during the day and featured batman throwing like one punch

― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki)</i>

Finally caught this on DVD -- I am definitely one of those ppl. Needed way more punching on roof tops and stuff.

It had the whole "trying to be more adult, comes off way more dumb" Torchwood vibe. I mean, this was sillier than a movie with robot penguins and Michelle Pfeiffer electrocuting Walken with her teeth.

im not saying dude plays that role in EVERY movie obvs but more than enough for it to seem weird

it's because he's an A supporting actor and a B lead

woah looks like jgl's gonna direct his way out past ALL your preconceived notions!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Jon%27s_Addiction

im not saying dude plays that role in EVERY movie obvs but more than enough for it to seem weird

― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, December 9, 2012 10:12 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh yeah it's a minor pattern -- but i brought up labeouf because there was a similar thing for a few years where in every other movie he was the precocious young sidekick to harrison ford, keanu, michael douglas, etc.

Fuck all those other films, go watch Hesher

Talia is really underwritten, or snaked in an unstaisfying way

YES.

As for plot holes, i noticed all the ones that get mentioned, but at the same time the whole movie needs a very comic book-y suspension of disbelief in order to hold together. Any scene where i thought "Hey, wait a minute..." about some logical inconsistency was usually followed by a physics-defying Bat Motorcycle that can jump in the air and the wheels spin around to 90 degrees and it instantly goes ZOOM. It's easy to get swept up in, but if you are going to pick it apart, yeah, it really doesn't hold up.

There's a shot at the very end when Batman is carrying the bomb into a bay (60s Batman nostalgia!) and it's super serious and there is this opera voice that comes in and then it cuts to a close-up of Batman's face and i don't know why but i almost LOL'd at that point. It was just so OTT w the drama and then suddenly BAM close up of some dude in a Batman costume.

As for Catwoman riding around that Bat Cycle on all-fours in Cat Position, it was gratuitous and awesome.

I mean, this was sillier than a movie with robot penguins and Michelle Pfeiffer electrocuting Walken with her teeth.

i think they were real penguins but otherwise otm

my favorite penguin-related part of batman returns btw is when the batmobile's radar does a sweep of gotham and little dots light up where the heavily armed penguins are and instead of going "ping" it makes a little penguin squawk; it's subtle but it's easily one of the most ridiculous things i have ever seen in a movie

when the penguins carry devito's corpse into the water, it's a bunch of guys in penguin suits. something about that always freaks me out

Batman Returns would be my favorite one if Prince had done the soundtrack to it too.

In DKK i kept thinking of this thread's "Eh, this prison....it's not so bad" when they were in the WORSE PRISON EVER. otm

keaton and pfeiffer are so genuinely weird and exciting in BR. bale and hathaway are little kids playing dress-up next to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeEz9oE17ac

and walken's fucking hilarious in it

Pfeiff Dawg is just aight, thought she was kinda the weak link of that movie

nnnnno man. what? she was one of the best things about it.

devito's the weak link, it pains me to say

yup

Maybe not as much weak as on a different plane of ridiculousness than the others.

devito's not bad, he's just sort of off in his own, noisier and more obnoxious movie the entire time. the bruce-selina-shreck stuff is so good, but the movie has no confidence in it.

JGL is great in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lookout

lol forgot looper wasn't the first time JGL was mentored by Jeff Daniels

When Bane was reading Gordon's OMG SHOCKING note about Harvey Dent i was like "So everyone instantly turns on the police cos this guy who is obviously a psychopath reads a letter that in no way could have been forged or completely made up and yes we will all trust this masked man who blew up our football stadium instead of the police who have kept crime at an all-time low"

But then i realized, this is just totally something that would happen in a comic book. Like a man wearing a bat costume.

yeah it's not really "too ridiculous to enjoy" so much as less enjoyable than it should be considering how fucking ridiculous it is

yeah i honestly think the most vehement critiques of this movie rely on pretend that the movie isn't essentially comic booky or that Nolan thinks it isn't (xp)

But then i realized, this is just totally something that would happen in a comic book.

a bad one

You do believe in Bane reading the letter because you just think he couldn't have made it up.

He doesn't need to: he could've said the Dent act violated human rights and released them.

I couldn't watch the Keaton films - then again I really hate fun.

Totally agree on Catwoman gratuitously riding around on Bat bike.

i don't remember if there's any real depiction of the city 'turning' on the cops after he reads the letter -- doesn't he immediately start blowing shit up and just holding the city hostage immediately afterwards?

it just seemed like something he was doing to add insult to injury, mess with everyone's head or lower morale even as he already had everything in control

The cops were all stuck in the tunnels.

But there would be no reason to turn onto them. It was the the lawmakers (the establishment) who pushed through the Dent act.

And yes, the ultimate goal was to crush the people's spirits before physically destroying the city. The turn on the establishment is a made up story.

like i said above i just found all the harvey dent stuff way unnecessary and incredibly belaboured

Well after he says the Dent act is a lie he frees all the prisoners. Yeah wouldn't people want the cops to protect them from these newly freed prisoners? Maybe the prisoners just took control of everything. At any rate the point of it all is the epic scene of Batman and Bane fighting in the midst of a thousand cops and criminals kicking the shit out of each other.

dent's thematic importance to the whole trilogy definitely exists largely in nolan's head

ya srsly who in the world gives a shit

still find it wicked awkward that they avoided even a passing reference to the joker

"The Dark Knight Trilogy"

i would say the best parts of this trilogy are the first half of 1 and the joker stuff in 2