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another thing that was the worst was that catwoman started off as being all, rich people are fucking it up for the rest of us and need to be held accountable, and at the end she goes off with a super rich guy to venice and wears a fancy hat

that is partially my point; it's IMO more reasonable to criticize a movie by saying "I got bored and stopped paying attention" than it is to criticize it for details that you are getting wrong (the converse, praising it for details you are getting wrong, is also unreasonable and one reason I needed to walk back some of my Watchmen praise)

the fact that he is getting details wrong IS the criticism itself dont u get it dan

haha well apparently now the idea is that alfred was tripping at the end or something, not that bruce decided to share his secret second life with a hot burglar he barely knew

You're here, outside a medieval prison pit in the middle of nowhere. Gotham City is there, on totalitarian lockdown for months. You need American Express Travellers Checks.

really thought this was going to be the setup for a great Batman text adventure

based on the hype I thought the OWS metaphor would be more overt than it really was, honestly the film just had the usual mixed messages you get in most blockbusters. batman vs bane is basically benign fascist vs malignant fascist

xp

Take analgesic.

xpost i don't really remember anything about that and i haven't seen batman begins since it was in theaters but i do remember this:

TALIA
He saw only a monster who could
never be tamed. Whose very
existence was a reminder of the
hell he’d left his wife to die in.
He excommunicated Bane from the
League of Shadows. His only crime
was that he loved me. I could not
truly forgive my father...

Talia looks at Batman, cold.

Until you murdered him.

p sure she's not talking about two different people

"Benign fascism" has been the entire point behind Batman for the past 30 years

yup

Okay lol at me then

based on the hype I thought the OWS metaphor would be more overt than it really was, honestly the film just had the usual mixed messages you get in most blockbusters. batman vs bane is basically benign fascist vs malignant fascist

― da croupier, Wednesday, December 5, 2012 4:05 PM Bookmark

Agreed, I really have a hard time reading a specific, coherent political message into this thing, partly because it's garbled within the story, and partly because other base-level competency issues in the movie (plot holes, superfluous characters) make it hard to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's intentionally ambiguous. I was on board with it as a popcorn movie, I just don't think it hangs together well enough to ascribe it ANY political message...though I did try upthread to suggest it was at least doing way more than most superhero movies to call the fascistic assumptions of the genre into question. It's not Watchmen (the comic I mean) but by going as far as it does to suggest that Batman is a horrible problem who makes everything worse by taking the law into his own hands, it's WAY out ahead of most of these flicks. But then: garbled and incompetent, so what does it matter? In the end, I remember the popcorn and the beer both being pretty good.

(the converse, praising it for details you are getting wrong, is also unreasonable and one reason I needed to walk back some of my Watchmen praise)

Whoa, whoa, everyone calm down.

another thing that was the worst was that catwoman started off as being all, rich people are fucking it up for the rest of us and need to be held accountable, and at the end she goes off with a super rich guy to venice and wears a fancy hat

― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, December 5, 2012 3:02 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

have you known anyone who went to a private college

lol

while we're rehashing all the silliness, let's also point out that a beat cop was given the keys to a shit-ton of high-grade tech because he had a heart of gold

"i became batman to avenge my parents...and jesus, i done a dang good job. look at me, flying a bomb out of the city in my own super plane and shit after breaking my goddamn back. hey...the autopilot's fixed...maybe it's time for an early retirement in paris. let's just give all my cool shit to that nice cop. sure, he didn't spend years honing his body to physical excellence and mastering science, but he's a good egg."

maybe in batman 4 bruce wayne shows up in the cave and is like "what, you think you're batman now? i was just on vacay. you'll be wearing little green underwear and boots, dude."

it'd be cool if JGL was Batman in the Justice League movie but he was totally incompetent

"look just cuz i'm a stand-up guy doesn't mean i actually know how to rock a remote control batarang! i keep telling lucius but he just winks and says 'you'll figure it out'."

tbf he did figure out who Batman was, so they can skip the 'learning to be a detective' bit.

there's not really a JL movie in development is there?

they're flailing in that general direction

lol based on a failed reboot, a bomb, and a movie trilogy that is ostensibly "over"

yeah i can't believe DC is still moving towards a justice league so soon. Even if Man Of Steel is a big hit, they either need to say "PLEASE FORGET THE LAST BAT MOVIE HERE'S ARMIE HAMMER" or wheel out Joseph Gordon-Levitt...and will Ryan Reynolds really be returning? Allegedly they want this to come out the same year as Avengers 2!

lol Thanos vs Darkseid eh

ridiculous

you guys are overthinking it, or I am. talia and bane believe in the league of shadows' mission, talia still thinks her dad's goals were good but she couldn't forgive him for casting out her scarred savior/boyfriend, and bane is pretty much up for any challenge in life and still likes seeing gotham all fucked up

tbf he did figure out who Batman was, so they can skip the 'learning to be a detective' bit.

he's an astute reader of fellow orphans but is he going to be running the CSI shit to recreate bullets and shit?

he's got morgan freeman to teach him how to do that

wish there was a shot of the satellite dish outside the pit

― da croupier, Wednesday, December 5, 2012 4:00 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

hahaha

definitely needed satellite dish shot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vMpfbuI9FY

it's actually fitting that the coup de grace of nolan's "let's not be any sillier than we have to be" take on bat-mythology is to have batman cavalierly give up his mission like a CEO

another thing that was the worst was that catwoman started off as being all, rich people are fucking it up for the rest of us and need to be held accountable, and at the end she goes off with a super rich guy to venice and wears a fancy hat

Would watch a Once A Thief-style knockoff movie that was just post-retirement Batman & Catwoman carousing around the world and avoiding boredom by occasionally cracking a safe or breaking up a mugging.

if they're turning JGL into batman why did htey make a big deal about him being named ROBIN

Robin was Batman for a while in the comics

Dick Greyson's main identity these days is Nightwing

also, movie universe != comics universe; the Robin thing was just a wink/fan service

as an aside, why do I know so much about comics I don't even read

stupid, nonsensical fan service

kind of the opposite of fan service though really. Actually having his name be Robin could only serve to enrage a comics fan

One weird big plothole/contunuity problem is the bit where Bane takes Talia (forgot her cover name) away during a courtroom scene. Then Batman turns up in Gotham and meets Talia, Gordon and others. Then Batman confronts the baddies outside and demands to know where Talia is.

Actually having his name be Robin could only serve to enrage a comics fan

Batman's real name is Batman iirc

Bat(e)man

Batrick Mann

i'm john batman

You're John Badpost.

...

gotta say, if batman 4 was the follies of JGL learning how to be batman while facing off against a bunch of b-villians like the mad hatter and the riddler, with morgan freeman all "lol" as his mentor, would see that in a heartbeat

just jgl practicing throwing batarangs at colorful wanna-be joker loonies

So Batman & Robin with no Chris O'Donnell and no nipple suits, basically?

haha, yeah, would see that too probably - "Batman Bungles In"