Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

russia iirc

really the relative speed of the revolution was the only thing that made me roll my eyes

what about the relative speed with which batman got from a pit in the middle of nowhere to inside gotham

unless bane forgot to take his wallet

eh

honestly wacky plotholes, tiny or large, in blockbusters are kind of only annoying when you're not otherwise engaged

i feel like these kind of discussions are the saddest result of batman's shift away from giant pennies and feeding bombs to sharks

dude this movie ends with him feeding a bomb to sharks

well now i don't know what to believe

in my script for The Dork Knight...Really?!?! when Batman gets out of the pit and throws down the rope, he then goes to an adjacent payphone to call alfred, using his bat credit card

or maybe i'll have him pull out an iphone and ask siri where he is - seems more topical

"Where am I? And after you've told me, connect me to a giant frickin' bomb disposal company in Gotham..."

I am trying to remember how long Bruce had until the bomb blew up when he got out of the pit; I wanna say a week?

and by the time he gets there, only twelve hours are left?

So that's what was going through his mind as he was flying over the bay...
"Dammit, if only I hadn't stopped off at that roadside diner for a meal on my way back to Gotham, I'd have been able to get rid of this bomb and still had time to fly out of range of the explosion..."

You're here, outside a medieval prison pit in the middle of nowhere. Gotham City is there, on totalitarian lockdown for months. You need American Express Travellers Checks.

given Bane's influence over the prison, I am surprised that the first person he ran into didn't just toss him back in there

That would have been *amazing*.

still don't understand why bane doesnt LOVE batman for killing the man who separated him from his true love, when we find that out his massive all-encompassing anger @ him just becomes nonsensical

and retroactively makes the movie even less care-about-able

and talia's "i hated my father. until one day i didn't and i decided to worship him enough to kill batman in the most convoluted way possible."

"welp i guess today's the day to stop hating my father, guess i have to get revenge now w/e"

it's tempting to do some "TDK did this right, TDKR this wrong" but really it's not a binary so much as a matter of degree. I liked the action bits in that more, the dialogue more, the performances more, but it's not to say it didn't have its share of portentous dialogue and plotholes too

naw there's lots of shit in TDK but it at least had heath ledger and some action scenes that were pretty fun and shot at night

TDKR reminded me of the latter matrix movies where all of the sudden everyone was taking everything way too seriously and expecting you to be invested in dumb story shit no one cared about

IIRC, Talia hated the warlord married to her mother who threw her mother into the jail, not Ra's al-Ghul who was the mercenary who was her real father and came back to liberate everyone from the jail and overthrow the warlord; ergo, her adoration for Ra's and her dedication to his cause is entirely consistent.

honestly ppl, it's okay to dislike a movie without inventing shit about it

why did bane hate batman ANSWER ME THAT

because he betrayed the League of Shadows in Batman Begins and because Talia hated him

lame

eh

this is a movie. if you want your antagonist's hatred of the protagonist to be believable, make the protagonist the guy who ruined his life, NOT THE GUY WHO KILLED THE GUY WHO RUINED HIS LIFE

i don't mean to invent stuff, but when people are trying to recall the logic of a 2.5 hour blockbuster you gotta chalk up some confusion to "the fog of bore"

You're here, outside a medieval prison pit in the middle of nowhere. Gotham City is there, on totalitarian lockdown for months. You need American Express Travellers Checks.

Already taken care of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcukDDDhuYk

oh believe me my ref to the bat credit card was intentional

and his plan to break batman by having him watch news footage of gotham's empty streets was the worst

wish there was a shot of the satellite dish outside the pit

also the worst was how the bad guys in this movie were occupy wall street and the good guys were a street mobbed with angry cops

i don't mean to invent stuff, but when people are trying to recall the logic of a 2.5 hour blockbuster you gotta chalk up some confusion to "the fog of bore"

that is partially my point; it's IMO more reasonable to criticize a movie by saying "I got bored and stopped paying attention" than it is to criticize it for details that you are getting wrong (the converse, praising it for details you are getting wrong, is also unreasonable and one reason I needed to walk back some of my Watchmen praise)

xp: okay lol, the bad guys were not Occupy Wall Street, unless you believe OWS is tricking corporate raiders into bankrolling them

another thing that was the worst was that catwoman started off as being all, rich people are fucking it up for the rest of us and need to be held accountable, and at the end she goes off with a super rich guy to venice and wears a fancy hat

that is partially my point; it's IMO more reasonable to criticize a movie by saying "I got bored and stopped paying attention" than it is to criticize it for details that you are getting wrong (the converse, praising it for details you are getting wrong, is also unreasonable and one reason I needed to walk back some of my Watchmen praise)

the fact that he is getting details wrong IS the criticism itself dont u get it dan

haha well apparently now the idea is that alfred was tripping at the end or something, not that bruce decided to share his secret second life with a hot burglar he barely knew

You're here, outside a medieval prison pit in the middle of nowhere. Gotham City is there, on totalitarian lockdown for months. You need American Express Travellers Checks.

really thought this was going to be the setup for a great Batman text adventure

based on the hype I thought the OWS metaphor would be more overt than it really was, honestly the film just had the usual mixed messages you get in most blockbusters. batman vs bane is basically benign fascist vs malignant fascist

xp

Take analgesic.

xpost i don't really remember anything about that and i haven't seen batman begins since it was in theaters but i do remember this:

TALIA
He saw only a monster who could
never be tamed. Whose very
existence was a reminder of the
hell he’d left his wife to die in.
He excommunicated Bane from the
League of Shadows. His only crime
was that he loved me. I could not
truly forgive my father...

Talia looks at Batman, cold.

Until you murdered him.

p sure she's not talking about two different people

"Benign fascism" has been the entire point behind Batman for the past 30 years

yup

Okay lol at me then

based on the hype I thought the OWS metaphor would be more overt than it really was, honestly the film just had the usual mixed messages you get in most blockbusters. batman vs bane is basically benign fascist vs malignant fascist

― da croupier, Wednesday, December 5, 2012 4:05 PM Bookmark

Agreed, I really have a hard time reading a specific, coherent political message into this thing, partly because it's garbled within the story, and partly because other base-level competency issues in the movie (plot holes, superfluous characters) make it hard to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's intentionally ambiguous. I was on board with it as a popcorn movie, I just don't think it hangs together well enough to ascribe it ANY political message...though I did try upthread to suggest it was at least doing way more than most superhero movies to call the fascistic assumptions of the genre into question. It's not Watchmen (the comic I mean) but by going as far as it does to suggest that Batman is a horrible problem who makes everything worse by taking the law into his own hands, it's WAY out ahead of most of these flicks. But then: garbled and incompetent, so what does it matter? In the end, I remember the popcorn and the beer both being pretty good.

(the converse, praising it for details you are getting wrong, is also unreasonable and one reason I needed to walk back some of my Watchmen praise)

Whoa, whoa, everyone calm down.