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― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link
We spent a bunch
Rolling Stone know their demographic and goddamit they're going to pander to them. --Deafening silence (DL)
How would this read if it was Kendrick
― is that my hand, dolphin? (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
I mean if you read these threads, every mag is either "pandering" or "trying to be ______" or "trying to hard" with their number one choice. I think Springsteen is a fine choice for an RS list
― is that my hand, dolphin? (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:11 (eleven years ago) link
hang on the song "springsteen" or the artist springsteen? the former is awesome, had no idea the latter was still active or alive or whatever
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
Springsteen actually died in 1992, this is a Tupac style remix album.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:22 (eleven years ago) link
People like the Gaslight Anthem and former members of REM and Michael Franti providing backing tracks for his vocals.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
Did RS release its full list?
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
TS: dadrock pandering vs contempt for the actual tastes/opinions of yr readers
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
the Eric Church song is def way better than anything Springsteen did this year, but i would never expect Rolling Stone to acknowledge that
― RIP Gramp C (some dude), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:25 (eleven years ago) link
RS top 4 is Bruce, Frank, Jack and Bob
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
Then there's Fiona Apple, Kendrick, Edward Sharpe, Green Day, Japandroids, Neil Young
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
What about Neil?
― Raymond Cummings, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
I heard his horse went crazy
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
standing by the Green Day shitshow is more embarrassing than all the senior citizens on that list combined
― RIP Gramp C (some dude), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:36 (eleven years ago) link
did they pick just one album for the list or all 3?
Think it's just the first one
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link
xpost It's not picking a Springsteen album that's the problem. It's that it's not all that great a Springsteen album.
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
xp Depends on whether or not you think this is a great Springsteen album.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
are you kidding, of course it isn't!
― RIP Gramp C (some dude), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link
That's my point, though Whiney seems to think otherwise.
For me "pandering" is the difference between RS/Uncut recognising a veteran at his late-period best and just honouring him because he's a veteran.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
Okay it is just ¡Uno! according to some Green Day forum
Someone had the full list there btw
1. Wrecking Ball - Bruce Springsteen2. Channel Orange - Frank Ocean3. Blunderbuss - Jack White4. Tempest - Bob Dylan5. The Idler Wheel... - Fiona Apple6. good kid, m.A.A.d city - Kendrick Lamar7. Here - Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros8. !Uno! - Green Day9. Celebration Rock - Japandroids10. Psychedelic Pill - Neil Young and Crazy Horse11. Babel - Mumford & Sons12. Rebirth - Jimmy Cliff13. Old Ideas - Leonard Cohen14. The Only Place - Best Coast15. Locked Down - Dr. John16. Sun - Cat Power17. Born and Raised - John Mayer18. Life is Good - Nas19. Mirage Rock - Band of Heroes20. R.A.P. Music - Killer Mike21. Attack on Memory - Cloud Nothings22. Slipstream - Bonnie Raitt23. A Thing Called Divine Fits - Divine Fits24. Cruel Summer - G.O.O.D. Music25. Sunken Condos - Donald Fagen26. Django Django - Django Django27. Blak and Blu - Gary Clark Jr.28. Bloom - Beach House29. Away From the World - Dave Matthews Band30. 1991 - Azealia Banks31. Red - Taylor Swift32. Hospitality - Hospitality33. Visions - Grime34. Boys & Girls - Alabama Shakes35. Shields - Grizzly Bear36. The Bravest Man in the Universe - Bobby Womack37. Nothing's Gonna Change the Way You Feel About Me Now - Justin Townes Earl38. Local Business - Titus Andronicus39. Gossamer - Passion Pit40. Escort - Escort41. The Carpenter - The Avett Brothers42. Europe - Allo Darlin'43. Some Nights - fun.44. Not Your Kind of People - Garbage45. Rich Forever - Rick Ross46. The 2nd Law - Muse47. Agnostic Hymns and Stoner Fables - Todd Snider48. Oceania - The Smashing Pumpkins49. Folila - Amadou and Mariam50. Swing Lo Magellan - Dirty Projectors
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:50 (eleven years ago) link
haha someone else gets the Cruel Summer gasface
― RIP Gramp C (some dude), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:52 (eleven years ago) link
No Lame Impala in there afaics
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
I like the idea of Band of Heroes. Are they some Tea Party answer to Band of Horses?
― Manfred Mann meets Man Parrish (ithappens), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
nice to see Grime on a 2012 list, didn't know if that stuff was still being made
― RIP Gramp C (some dude), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
No XX or ZZ on that list either
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link
30. 1991 - Azealia Banks
this is a four-track EP, one song of which was her big 2011 hit. how in the world is this being classed alongside albums.
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
Still super curious about that Dr John album
― in a year with thirteen goons (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
The next installment of the Fact list is up and starts here if anyone cares:http://www.factmag.com/2012/12/03/the-50-best-albums-of-2012/22/
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
eh if an EP has more than 3 songs i think it's fair game for album lists
― RIP Gramp C (some dude), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
lol i think there are maybe 3 albums in the entire fact list so far i rate, and a great deal that i hate
also finding out that the price i pay for getting excited about so many of my favs making it into the guardian's 40-11 is being underwhelmed by the top 10
i siiiiiigh
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
The Wire list has landed:
1. Laurel Halo - Quarantine2. Sun Araw & M Geddes Gengras meet the Congos - Icon Give Thank3. Actress - RIP4. Jakob Ullmann - Fremde Zeit - Addendum5. Jason Lescalleet - Songs About Nothing6. CC Hennix & The Chora(s)san Time-Court Mirage - Live at the Grimm Museum 17. Bob Dylan - Tempest8. Julia Holter - Ekstasis9. Carter Tutti Void - Transverse10. Ricardo Villalobos - Dependent and Happy11. Scott Walker - Bish Bosch12. Josephine Foster - Blood Rushing13. Fushitsusha - Mabushii Itazura Na Inori14. Haino/O'Rourke/Ambarchi - Imikuzushi15. Death Grips - The Money Store16. Emptyset - Medium17. Dean Blunt & Inga Copeland - Black is Beautiful18. Andy Stott - Luxury Problems19. V/A - Wandelweiser und so Weiter20. Morton Feldman - Crippled Symmetry: At June in Buffalo21. Richard Skelton - Verse of Birds22. The Bohman Brothers - Back on the Streets23. Kendrick Lamar - good kid, m.A.A.d city24. Michael Pisaro and Toshiya Tsunoda - Crosshatches25. Bass Clef - Reeling Skullways26. Aaron Dilloway - Modern Jester27. Killer Mike - RAP Music28. Shackleton - The Drawbar Organ/Music for the Quiet Hour29. Rhodri Davies - Wound Response30. Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Mature Themes31. Wadada Leo Smith - Ten Freedom Summers32. Thomas Koner - Novaya Zemlya33. Annea Lockwood - In our Name34. Earth - Angels of Darkness, Demons of Light II35. Lee Gamble - Diversions 1994-199636. Heatsick - Deviation37. Duane Pitre - Feel Free38. Raime - Quarter Turns over a Living Line39. Swans - The Seer40. Mark Ernestus Presents Jeri-Jeri with Mbene Diatta Seck - Mbeuguel Dafa Nekh41. Cooly G - Playin' Me42. Traxman - Da Mind of Traxman43. DJ Rashad - Teklife Vol. 1: Welcome to the Chi44. Charles Gayle Trio - Streets45. Frank Ocean - Channel Orange46. Pye Corner Audio - Sleep Games47. Peter Cusack - Sounds from Dangerous Places48. Pelt - Effigy49. DVA - Pretty Ugly50. Brotzmann/Satoh/Moriyama - Yatagarasu
― a Christmas .gif for you from (seandalai), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
16 minutes long? barely over 10 minutes of new (to this year) material? i think 6 is the minimum of (normal length) tracks i'd want before classing it alongside an album.
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
Hahaha that Passion Pit album is terrible
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
11. Scott Walker - Bish Bosch
wow, review copies way in advance for the whole staff?
18. Andy Stott - Luxury Problems
hurrah
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think it really matters if a record's lead single came out the year before either! that happens all the time!
― RIP Gramp C (some dude), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
the music being by Azealia Banks is a much bigger issue
Is Rolling Stone the only publication to have rated the Nas album so far? I'm aware I probably like it more than most people here but I thought it would placed in more publications even as a token pick.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
it's in the fact list
it's alright, wouldn't be in my list but it's a lot better than a lot of stuff that is ending up in these lists
― #YOLO ONO (lex pretend), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
It seems both Heatsick and Helm released albums this year I knew nothing about the existence of. Bah.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:18 (eleven years ago) link
The Heatsick one is an EP, I think. It's pretty good!
― a Christmas .gif for you from (seandalai), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
Re: The Wire
Surprised at the high Dylan placing. Surprised by the low Swans placing.
Guess it's not a surprise, but happy to see
14. Haino/O'Rourke/Ambarchi - Imikuzushi
getting a mention, it's killer-diller.
And does anybody know anything about this? Totally passed me by -
40. Mark Ernestus Presents Jeri-Jeri with Mbene Diatta Seck - Mbeuguel Dafa Nekh
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks for posting the Wire list! Top ten for Bob Dylan is the biggest surprise on there for me, but then I haven't heard it or read any reviews of it so there you go.
The Heatsick record is good fun! Have tried the Helm one a few times but it's never really stuck with me.
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
It's just a 12" with a remix on the B-side. A-side is a pretty good Senegalese Mbalax track with relatively light production tricks.
Here we go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rPIzyKkuNs
― a Christmas .gif for you from (seandalai), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
The Wire also has a big reissues list - top 5 is Laurie Spiegel/Can/Pauline Oliveros/Don Cherry/AR Kane - and the usual genre lists, but I'll let someone else type those out...
― a Christmas .gif for you from (seandalai), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
That reminds me, it's been a bit disappointing to see no mention of the Shangaan Shake album so far. xp
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
Wait a second, according to my calculations, Josephine Foster and Six Organs of Admittance have both made it to exactly one list? I have some questions regarding critical abandonment.
― passion it person (La Lechera), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
one list each, not the same listWire and some dad mag iirc?
― passion it person (La Lechera), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
Nice to find out Annea Lockwood released something this year, but I'm going to back to it later. Definitely not morning listening (nor would I expect it to be).
― redress control number (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
FACT's top twenty reissues (there's actually forty but i got tired)
20: LAURIE SPIEGEL - THE EXPANDING UNIVERSE (UNSEEN WORLDS)19: PYROLATOR - AUSLAND (BUREAU B)18: PARRIS MITCHELL - ‘ALL NIGHT LONG’ (WICKED BASS)17: DAVID LYNCH & ALAN R. SPLET - ERASERHEAD (SACRED BONES)16: DREXCIYA - JOURNEY OF THE DEEP SEA DWELLER II / JOURNEY OF THE DEEP SEA DWELLER III (CLONE CLASSIC CUTS)15: VARIOUS ARTISTS - STRANGE PASSION: EXPLORATIONS IN IRISH POST-PUNK DIY AND ELECTRONIC MUSIC 1980-1983 (CACHE CACHE / FINDERS KEEPERS)14: STERAC - SECRET LIFE OF MACHINES: REMASTERED AND REMIXED (100% PURE)13: ONEOHTRIX POINT NEVER - RIFTS (SOFTWARE)12: THE BURRELL BROTHERS - THE NU GROOVE YEARS: 1988-1992 (RUSH HOUR)11: CODEINE - WHEN I SEE THE SUN (NUMERO GROUP)10: RAEKWON - ONLY BUILT 4 CUBAN LINX: THE PURPLE TAPE (GET ON DOWN)09: BOB CHANCE - IT’S BROKEN (TRUNK)08: KW GRIFF FEAT. PORKCHOP - ‘BRING IN THE KATZ’ (NIGHT SLUGS)07: PAPERCLIP PEOPLE / PSYCHE/BFC - THE SECRET TAPES OF DR EICH / ELEMENTS (PLANET E)06: CLEANERS FROM VENUS - BOX SET VOL. 1 (CAPTURED TRACKS)05: LEGO FEET - LEGO FEET (SKAM)04: SLEEP - DOPESMOKER (SOUTHERN LORD)03: RUFF SQWAD - WHITE LABEL CLASSICS (NO HATS NO HOODS)02: FRANCIS BEBEY - AFRICAN ELECTRONIC MUSIC 1975-1982 (BORN BAD)01: MONOTON - MONOTONPRODUKT07 (DESIRE)
― Number None, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link