Why would Oxford students listen to anythign different?
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
actually the oxford list isn't terrible really
you know what, I'm not going to be too concerned about tokenism when I like the choice that got in so much and I think it actually is that much better than all of the albums ranked below it
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
No response from Cambridge at time of writing...though Varsity does have a Lex-baiting article on "The rapid rise of the R&B sad boy".
― ILM Communication (seandalai), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
Students are not really noted for making independent aesthetic choices.
― Matt DC, Monday, 26 November 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
as opposed to professional music critics
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I could easily imagine a pro critic or even an ILXor submitting the same list. There must be better targets around to point at.
― ILM Communication (seandalai), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I'm not really casting aspersions, I was responding to Nick's post really, it's hardly surprising they're going for the usual critical faves.
― Matt DC, Monday, 26 November 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
grooving to kendrick lamar at oxford! nice.
i'm glad people like converge so much. there is so much shitty stuff that they have helped spawn (not their fault) and its nice that people can tell a good poignantly brutal album from a bad one.
has decibel put the last three converge albums at number one? they really like converge i guess.
― scott seward, Monday, 26 November 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
i don't really feel like listening to frank ocean. do i have to? i could youtube him but i don't think i care enough...
usually i'm more curious when people talk about the same thing for months.
― scott seward, Monday, 26 November 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
love converge - ss on the money
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Monday, 26 November 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
when frank ocean makes an Afro-Swedish voodoo rock album i promise i will check him out.
― scott seward, Monday, 26 November 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
channel ORANGE has one great song and a bunch of okay-to-embarrassing ones
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 26 November 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― The Doc Morbama (some dude), Monday, 26 November 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I'm just grumpy basically and prefer lists full of surprises (and that list had just one really [i.e. Converge are still hip? I like Converge btw]). But also there's this lurking feeling you get that they're just discovering new music through the exact same channels as everyone else, you don't get the sense that these people are fully immersed in any vibrant subcultures or anything (apart from the Converge guy maybe?), it's all just the *edgier* end of the same stuff that was in the Uncut list and that's kind of boring *shakes fist*
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Monday, 26 November 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
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“Bad Religion,” “Thinking About You,” “Super Rich Kids” and “Lost” are all really good, but I haven't felt any need to play the rest of the record since my initial engagement with it.
― Room 227 (cryptosicko), Monday, 26 November 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
Also when they go on about really liking the Jessie Ware album and then single out a particular track for praise ("listenable" - The Oxford Student), it would probably be a good idea to get its fucking name right.
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Monday, 26 November 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
Anybody have the full MOJO list?
― soundbitesnyc, Monday, 26 November 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
I don't even know what the "one great song" is: "Bad Religion"? "Super Rich Kids"? "Thinkin' Bout You"? (These aren't necessarily my favorites -- I'm just guessing what the "one great song" is for someone who thinks the album has "one great song.")
Btw, my wife, who has a habit of ignoring albums and then suddenly obsessing over them, just got really into Frank Ocean.
― Sax Blatterday (jaymc), Monday, 26 November 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
...Which is to say that I've been listening to the album around the house lately, and it's been holding up nicely.
― Sax Blatterday (jaymc), Monday, 26 November 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
for me, the one great song is "Thinkin' Bout You"
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 26 November 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
Hah I thought I was a bit meh on the F Ocean album too but after reading this thread it turns out I actually like it way more than most.
― that's the way to choke a jiving spirit (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 26 November 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
don't listen to it often but channel o is a v good album imo
it is crafted to be an extremely easy thing to listen to, which will always attract the mindless indie schlubs, but then even its hardcore reppers havent been particularly perceptive about it either
i have basically come to conclusion that it's highly appreciable but idk i'm too old to really connect with what it's saying now, same way i unquestioningly loved the first n.e.r.d lp but wouldnt today. like oh life can be empty and superficial huh kiddo?
obv there's the other angle which is great brave art and all but i don't want to get all brandon sodabread about it
― r|t|c, Monday, 26 November 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
I think this is very fair. The biggest issue I had with the album wasn't so much in how it sounds as it was in that the stories being told in most of the songs struck me as facile and, in at least one case, bordering on stupid; I really, really liked the whole woozy narrative behind "Novacane" so the last thing I expected was to feel divorced from and amused by the storytelling.
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 26 November 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
i think this is very fair so let me get some of that whilst still being unfair and equating young with being dumb
― r|t|c, Monday, 26 November 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
That Converge album is very very good and deserves its place in any end of year list.
― ɷ, Monday, 26 November 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
I implied rather than equated, but otherwise OTM
― I loves you, PORGI (DJP), Monday, 26 November 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
Paste Magazinehttp://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2012/11/the-50-best-albums-of-2012.html
1. Frank Ocean - Channel Orange2. Father John Misty - Fear Fun3. Titus Andronicus - Local Business4. Fiona Apple - The Idler Wheel...5. Sharon Van Etten - Tramp6. Alabama Shakes - Boys & Girls7. Dirty Projectors - Swing Lo Magellan8. Japandroids - Celebration Rock9. Beach House - Bloom10. First Aid Kit - The Lion's Roar11. The Men - Open Your Heart12. El-P - Cancer For Cure13. The Shins - Port Of Morrow14. The Walkmen - Heaven15. Jack White - Blunderbuss16. Tame Impala - Lonerism17. Andrew Bird - Break It Yourself18. Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, M19. Rufus Wainwright - Out Of The Game20. The Mountain Goats - Transcendental Youth21. The Lumineers – The Lumineers22. Hospitality - Hospitality23. Jens Lekman - I Know What Love Isn't24. Justin Townes Earle – Nothing’s Gonna Change The Way You Feel About Me Now25. Grizzly Bear - Shields26. Bob Dylan - Tempest27. John K. Samson – Provincial28. Divine Fits - A Thing Called Divine Fits29. Killer Mike - R.A.P. Music30. David Byrne & St31. The Avett Brothers – The Carpenter32. Woods - Bend Beyond33. Howler - America Give Up34. Cloud Nothings - Attack On Memory35. King Tuff - King Tuff36. Cat Power - Sun37. Shovels & Rope – O Be Joyful38. Dr John - Locked Down39. Leonard Cohen - Old Ideas40. Todd Snider - Agnostic Hymns and Stoner Fables41. Of Monsters And Men – My Head is an Animal42. Bettye Lavette - Thankful 'N' Thoughtful43. Stars - The North44. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Allelujah! Don't Bend! Ascend!45. Punch Brothers - Who’s Feeling Young Now?46. Damien Jurado - Maraqopa47. Baroness - Yellow & Green48. Lord Huron - Lonesome Dreams49. Kelly Hogan - I Like To Keep Myself In Pain50. Grimes - Visions
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Monday, 26 November 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa they put frank ocean first
― J0rdan S., Monday, 26 November 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
there is still a paste! apparently. who knew?
― scott seward, Monday, 26 November 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
Easy to keep going when you cease publishing or paying contributors.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 26 November 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
"20. The Mountain Goats - Transcendental Youth"
number 20 spot rightfully belongs to this album:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Aerosmith_-_MFAD.jpg
― scott seward, Monday, 26 November 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
Broadcast in from print magazine heaven. Yeah they ceased publication in Sep 2010. If the ghosts of magazines I actually liked could send in lists too, this thread would officially be super duper awesome.
I am surprised I haven't seen full lists for Uncut and MOJO yet. They're probably about 70% the same. More interesting lists will come soon. There's always lots of amazing albums that are overlooked by most of the lists. I wonder if anyone will give props to this...
http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/richmedia/images/cover.gif
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 26 November 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
Mojo
1 Jack White2 Frank Ocean3 Bill Fay4 Leonard Cohen5 Dexys6 Black Keys7 Django Djangp8 Dr John9 Julia Holter10 Dyland11 Scott Walker12 Tame Impala13 XX14 Hot Chip15 Cat Power16 Bobby Womack17 Mark Lanegan Band18 Orbital19 Advance Base20 Lee Fields & The Expressions
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Friday, November 23, 2012 8:21 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
whoa i play autoharp and omnichord on mojo's #19 album of the year #bragging
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 26 November 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry, an error, not trying to be mysterious:http://fastnbulbous.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/motorpsycho-death.jpg
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 26 November 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
skot ignore these fucks, channel orange is the best album this year altho rtc is maybe kind of otm to an extent. it's slightly flawed, but i haven't heard an album this year that isn't.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
lee fields is awesome. don't know what his new stuff sounds like. i mean, i can guess what it sounds like. jack white is the exact opposite of awesome. jack white is horrible and should be put in prison!
― scott seward, Monday, 26 November 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
lol at paste putting it at the top of that terrible list tho xp
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
jesus, now i don't know what to believe about frank ocean. you guys have me all bugaboo! i'll youtube some stuff later. maybe.
The Fly's Top 50 LPs of 2012
50 Trailer Trash Tracys - Ester49 Lucy Rose - Like I Used To48 Lotus Plaza - Spooky Action At A Distance47 2:54 - 2:5446 Egyptian Hip Hop - Good Don't Sleep45 Errors - Have Some Faith In Magic'44 Stealing Sheep - Into The Diamond Sun43 Pulled Apart by Horses - Tough Love42 Trash Talk - 11941 Two Door Cinema Club - Beacon40 Allah-Las - Allah-Las39 Mystery Jets - Radlands38 Best Coast - The Only Place37 The Invisible - Rispah36 Liars - WIXIW35 Howler - America Give Up34 David Byrne & St. Vincent - Love This Giant33 Animal Collective - Centipede Hz32 Beach House - Bloom31 Here We Go Magic - A Different Ship30 Graham Coxon - A+E29 Poliça - Give You The Ghost28 TOY - TOY27 Chairlift - Something26 Bat For Lashes - The Haunted Man25 Melody's Echo Chamber - Melody's Echo Chamber24 Daughn Gibson - All Hell23 Twin Shadow - Confess22 Dirty Projectors - Swing Lo Magellan21 The Cribs - In The Belly Of The Brazen Bull20 King Tuff - King Tuff19 Diiv - Oshin18 Pond - Beard Wives Denim17 The xx - Coexist16 The Vaccines - The Vaccines Come Of Age15 Purity Ring - Shrines14 Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Mature Themes13 Grizzly Bear - Shields12 Alt-J - An Awesome Wave11 Lana del Rey - Born To Die10 Tame Impala - Lonerism09 The Maccabees - Given To The Wild08 Kindness - World You Need A Change Of Mind07 Field Music - Plumb06 Django Django - Django Django05 Jessie Ware - Devotion04 Cat Power - Sun03 Frank Ocean - Channel Orange02 Grimes - Visions01 Sharon Van Etten - Tramp
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 26 November 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
F-a-duck I wasn't showing all messages and missed that it was already posted, sorry. Going back to wrk.
― Fastnbulbous, Monday, 26 November 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
i have no idea what the fly is but i kinda wanna do a liveblog/youtube thread devoted to those albums. cuz i have no idea what most of them sound like. actually, if someone finds me the perfect indie schmindie year-end list (i haven't heard any of it, trust me) i will totally do that. that might be a winner though.
― scott seward, Monday, 26 November 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
I already thought Ocean had a decent shot at (a still-hypothetical?) P&J #1, but that seems like a bellwether.
― Sax Blatterday (jaymc), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
oh he's gonna top a lot of lists, but coming from PASTE it's pretty lol (tho they won't be alone)
― J0rdan S., Monday, 26 November 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
Oh sure, but that's what I mean: if even PASTE is putting him at #1, then that's a sign of many more to come.
― Sax Blatterday (jaymc), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
I think the P&J #1's a done deal. Unlike (seemingly) most people on ILX I love Channel Orange so I'm fine with that. I don't think he'll be robbing any masterpieces.
― Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
frank will do really well in this poll too, tho maybe slightly under other polls if his average is like 2.2 or something
― J0rdan S., Monday, 26 November 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
actually, if someone finds me the perfect indie schmindie year-end list (i haven't heard any of it, trust me) i will totally do that. that might be a winner though.
That Fly list trends a little cute for my tastes, but it's about as good a list of worthwhile indie-rock as I've seen this year. Not a bad place to start.
― Evan R, Monday, 26 November 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
channel orange is the best album this year altho rtc is maybe kind of otm to an extent. it's slightly flawed, but i haven't heard an album this year that isn't.
― these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:20 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark
i haven't said anything about flaws - if what i've said can be construed as criticism it's personal and not universal. genuinely i think if i were a younger man i'd be all over it, really into it, but now i just get it and that's all really. what's the borges quote, "i was drawn to sunsets, slums and misfortune, now it is to mornings in the heart of the city..."
like i say though the craft at least can't be fronted on; breathes in all the right places, a better filmic album than kendrick's i'd say
― r|t|c, Monday, 26 November 2012 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
Good to see LotusPlaza getting some love
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 26 November 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link