Is this the Juno thread?

i didnt like her.
Cera was great though

which makes no sense! You don't believe her situation if she's not convincing.

i just think her character could be better casted.
i can see the point of the writers, thats enough to understand.

I don't really understand what this movie has in common w/Ghost World other than sassy lil lassy as central figure

And others have complained that the Moldy Peaches and Kimya Dawson are has-beens.

Pretty sure they're 'never-weres.'

i think the word we really want here isn't 'commodification' - too common, too abstract, there's a reason why only 18-21 yr olds get excited by adbusters - but a word that means 'insular' and 'accepting' and 'docile' and ultimately 'boring.'

Homogenized?

daer tuomas,

it is not 'weak' to choose birth/adoption endings over abortion endings in teen movies, because teen abortions are pretty huge bummers no matter how you look at them.

Er, what? Do you really think keeping the baby or having it and then giving it adopted is always a better choice? If you do, why? Because I know couple of girls who've had an abortion at an early age, and let me tell you, it was much less of a bummer than the alternatives would've been.

To make it clear, I'm not just criticizing Juno (obviously if she'd had an abortion it would've been a totally different movie) but the trend in American movies that abortion is simply something that never happens, even though it does in real life. I can't help but think this is because American movie-makers don't want to upset any potential section of the audience.

'insular' and 'accepting' and 'docile' and ultimately 'boring

I've been getting a lot of mileage out of "insipid"

although for the purposes of this thread "jejune" could perhaps provide a greater lol

Do you really think keeping the baby or having it and then giving it adopted is always a better choice

The problem with your sentence is "always."

Well, that's what Remy seemed to be implying. I'm sorry if I got that wrong.

I saw a trailer for this, and now wild horses could not drag me to the film, as it seems to consist of loads of teenagers with annoying voices saying "Like, yeah" to each other.

Then the trailer is quite misleading.

it is not 'weak' to choose birth/adoption endings over abortion endings in teen movies because teen abortions are pretty huge bummers no matter how you look at them.

i am not making any general statements about abortion at all. although i do think that adoption is generally favorable.

What do you mean by that sentence? That abortion is a bigger bummer for teens than for adults? That birth/adoption is better than abortion for teens?

(x-post)

I am saying that very few people want to go see a quirky teen comedy about abortion, because it is about the termination of a zygote/fetus/baby (depending on your views) and that is some seriously dark and unfun movie territory.

I also do not want to see teen movies about vasectomies, the consequences of gang rape, or miscarriage, but that does not mean I don't believe they don't exist or are unimportant.

IN SHORT, IT IS NEITHER ENTERTAINING NOR DRAMATICALLY FULFILLING TO WATCH SOMEBODY GET AN ABORTION

remy stfu

ethan, go be a worthless piece of shit on a thread that wants you

when people get pregnant without wanting to be a lot of them have abortions, and it's dishonest to keep making movies about unplanned pregnancies without acknowledging this

remy have you seen 4 months 3 weeks and 2 days?

yeah, i really enjoyed it

notable films that were not teen comedies, #1

hahahhaa

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209877/

Title:
Abortion! (1967)

Plot Outline:
Women get infected or die from abortions.

First of all, Juno isn't a "quirky teen comedy" - it's often quite serious, and I think the intended audience is not teenagers. Secondly, even if it was, I think saying that certain issues shouldn't been dealt in teen movies is a very weird attitude. Do you think teen's should just have fun and never think of real world issues, many of which might affect themselves?

it is a bad movie with pretentious Important Social issues shoehorned between ridiculous bits of High Quirk dialogue about Sonic Youth, and I think that suggesting it would be a better movie if the kid had a late term abortion makes absolutely no sense at all, and is a kind of weird take on what is ultimately neither a good nor important film.

"more movies about unexpected/unwanted pregancies should end in abortion" seems like such a creepy thing to say.

I didn't say that Juno should've been changed, or that it would've been a better movie, to me Juno was just one example of a trend in Hollywood films. I just was commenting on your post where you said teen movies in general should preferably not deal with abortion.

"more movies about unexpected/unwanted pregancies should end in abortion" seems like such a creepy thing to say.

Why is it creepy? Anyway, I wasn't saying that all of them should end with abortion, but maybe at least some of them, which doesn't seem to be the case today in Hollywood.

i heard jamie lynn is going to give up her baby

i didn't say that teen movies shouldn't deal with abortion.

i said that movies about abortion were depressing and dark, and largely unfulfilling, and not really a big draw to the teenage audience

lol max

and all tuomas said was that he was disappointed that almost all movies about pregnancy would rather pander to the abortion-is-murder crowd instead of showing what actually happens

you load an argument with words like 'pander' and it's hard to respond, dude.

'pander to the abortion-is-murder crowd' isn't what most movies that end with birth do at all.

in dramatic terms, it is a lot harder to achieve dramatic fulfillment or a big payoff using abortion for the final scene when adoption or birth has the same story consequences.

i didn't say that teen movies shouldn't deal with abortion. i said that movies about abortion were depressing and dark, and largely unfulfilling, and not really a big draw to the teenage audience.

Okay, fair enough. But I don't think movies where an abortion happens (they don't need to be just about abortion, just like Juno isn't just about teen pregnancy) necessarily need to be depressing and dark, they could just depict abortion as something that some people have to choose - a serious matter, no doubt, but not as something that is awfully dark and traumatic. To my knowledge that isn't the case with most people who have one.

This is a great movie I think. It reminded me of another favorite movie of mine Garden State. The main characters of both movies are so real and so funny. Such a powerful acting.

Get the fuck off.

soundtrack to #2!

it definitely makes me want to take a shit

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFff-FekFWU

at least kimya didnt get an oscar nom

because there weren't any songs eligible.

"at least," so we get to hear 3 fucking Enchanted songs. c'MON, show cancellation!

The Rhino soundtrack to "Juno" becomes the label's first No. 1 album on The Billboard 200, moving up 2-1 with a 13% increase to 65,000 copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan. It's the first film soundtrack to top the chart since last year's "Dreamgirls" and the first from an Academy Award best picture nominee since "Titanic" reached the summit on Jan. 24, 1998.

thanks, buyers!

someone buy Eric H. Jeffrey Lewis's 12 Crass Songs, lol

The dialogue in this film is repulsive. It's like Kevin Smith on a bad day.

re: that The View clip: I like her look, but it's a real shame about the music.

I like Whoopi's look, too. Didn't know she made music, though.