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sorry, that didn't have the right impact, I meant:

the issue of a caricatured ~~black~~ soccer player.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

That's totally not true. That shit is pulpy.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

THANK YOU DAN PERRY YOU MAY STOP BEING A CONDESCENDING FUCK NOW

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis kind of OTM about the way that people are choosing to extrapolate "I don't see taking the piss out of a man who is black as being equivalent to taking the piss out of that man's blackness" to mean "I never see race ever" = "I would be racist and not even realise it".

ailsa on Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:05 PM (25 seconds ago)

It is not "taking the piss out of a man's blackness," it is using offensive images to sell a bottle opener. Get over it.

Also, I don't see how someone can be "kind of" OTM. Especially Louis!

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

BECAUSE WHO WOULDNT WANT A BLACK DUDE TO OPEN MY BEER BOTTLES WITH HIS MOUTH AT ALL TIMES RITE

― max, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i have never puked popcorn, you freak

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

it doesn't take einstein to work out that this is completely unrelated to the issue of a caricatured [s]black[/s] soccer player.

YOU ARE SO
SO
SO
SO
SO
FUCKING STUPID

i know this post is going to be xposted to fuck and back so i'm just going to wait a second and make it worse.

― gff, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

what if you could open bottles with your ass? that would be cool.

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

if i understand the it-s-all-a-bit-racist argument at all, the fundamental point seems to be that you should avoid caricaturing features on a Black person (in this instance) where the result resembles something that has previously been used racially. although i understand the sensitivity, i think that's too extreme, and however lame the bottle opener is, the caricature is more than justified for this individual. is there more to the argument that i'm missing? if not, we won't get any further than agreeing to differ.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan Perry = bane of the crazies.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

what if you could open bottles WITH YOUR MIND

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Or even do it deliberately, as chicago kevin was suggesting.

(xpost to myself, if people are posting to roffle at me agreeing with Louis)

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

WHAT IF YOU COULD OPEN BOTTLES WITH THE END OF RACISM

― max, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6987/yaaaaowkm9.png

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

the caricature is more than justified for this individual.

Roberto, ladies and gents: CARICATURE POLICE

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

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*head explodes*

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

the caricature is more than justified for this individual

i mean like all chinese people have little eyes so its totally justified for me to tape my eyelids and pretend to be chinese

― max, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

but I guess I'm making more sense of the seeming gap here if racism is being defined something those "thuggish hooligans" do.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

BAN SOCCER

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course this is fucking racist. Jesus.

As a British person I would like to disassociate myself with half the above posts. I'm sorry.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

defined "solely" I meant

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

CARICATURE POLICE
ARREST THIS MAN
HE HAS BIG GUMS
AND HUGE-ASS LIPS
I BET HE'S GOT NATURAL RHYTHM

THIS IS WHAT YOU GET
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET
WHEN YOU MESS WITH US...

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

wilful spin and misunderstanding, much?

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

hi Matt DC, I kiss you for restoring my sense of sanity!

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

yaaaoooow.png is back :D :D :D :D :D :D

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

no, actually I'm OTM. That's your new job title.

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

(hahahahahaha Matt, this is all kind of weird)

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

"I got an idea for a character named Ching Chong, and he likes to play ping pong."

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus christ, you are fucking crazy, you are ALL SO FUCKING CRAZY, what the FUCK is your problem?

If I'm so stupid, why don't you take my arguments apart with convincing counter-arguments rather than resort to abuse?

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i am curious to know where this bottle opener was made. brazilians have a lot of wierd racial shit that's all their own.

― gff, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

The weirdest thing I ever threw up was pizza, because the cheese was all stringy and hanging out of my mouth in one contiguous piece that went into my stomach. Popcorn isn't that bad.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ARGUMENTS YOU BIG BLOUSEY PONCE.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

reading lj's posts reminds me of the first rule of holes.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

the caricature is more than justified for this individual.

i'm pretty sure the big teeth thing has been established up thread. maybe to read,. perhaps?

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

because it's not worth it?

seriously if you don't get the "connection" between racist stereotyping, racist imagery, and nonwhites getting the crap kicked out of them, there's really no point.

― gff, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

shit well black people have dark skin so its pretty justified for me to paint my skin black to imitate them in a totally affectionate way right

― max, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, it's fairly obvious from the posts from LJ and Ailsa and Onimo etc that there's a big cultural divide here but the "it's not racist" argument is dubious even if the bottle opener in question was made in the UK, as opposed to say Spain. Where racial abuse of black players and grotesque racist caricatures are commonplace and even the national manager referred to Thierry Henry as "that black shit".

For FUCK'S SAKE.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

If I'm so stupid, why don't you take my arguments apart with convincing counter-arguments rather than resort to abuse?

People generally do this to arguments that are worth a response. Nonsensical bullshit tends to get nonsensical bullshit.

Or, in other words:

http://static.flickr.com/45/127227899_95fda82356.jpg

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Please stop pasting things Louis says. I teach the likes of him at Oxford (so like him, but worse), and I get enough of his brand of witless, self-congratulatory, facile rhetoric during the working day. Please!

― caek, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus christ, you are fucking crazy, you are ALL SO FUCKING CRAZY, what the FUCK is your problem?

http://photos-961.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v65/188/66/36907582/n36907582_32944961_6432.jpg

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis kind of OTM about the way that people are choosing to extrapolate "I don't see taking the piss out of a man who is black as being equivalent to taking the piss out of that man's blackness" to mean "I never see race ever" = "I would be racist and not even realise it".

I think everyone who is extrapolating "I never see race ever" is doing so in response to this post:

The next obvious question to ask is: since I didn't even consider it racist on 1st viewing, does it mean that a) I'm a blithering idiot who doesn't think of the perceived lineage of a joke when I see a joke, or b) I've come on enough (as have a lot of people) that I can see a joke about a black guy without thinking that the joke has anything to do with him being black?

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

And considering Ronaldinho plays in Spain I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the case.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

wilful spin and misunderstanding, much?

i think i gave too much credit. my bad.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I once had to explain to my wife how everyone in Europe thinks Ronaldinho is ugly. She was a little stunned, she was like "I have seen a hell of a lot worse-looking guys than him!" THEN SHE STARED AT ME FOR A LONG TIME AND I BECAME UNCOMFORTABLE.

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe popcorn breaks down more completely in a vodka-based environment than in stomach acid alone.

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

ok plz mr. que don't do that ever again

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I'm disappointed that CTRL+F 'just a bit of fun' didn't reveal anything.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure the big teeth thing has been established up thread. maybe to read,. perhaps?

I'm pretty sure big teeth on a black guy is a racist caricature, which you should know about because you are ROBERTO,CARICUATURE POLICE

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

[quote][i]the caricature is more than justified for this individual [i]

i mean like all chinese people have little eyes so its totally justified for me to tape my eyelids and pretend to be chinese

max on Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:09 (2 minutes ago)[/image]

That's right, because this bottle opener is representing all black Brazilian people, or all black people, or all Brazilian people, and not just one dude kind of synonymous with having buck teeth.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean like all chinese people have little eyes so its totally justified for me to tape my eyelids and pretend to be chinese

but no-one says "all black people have elongated gums giving them an overbite that could open a beer bottle". I've always associated horsey gums/teeth with white British aristocracy - but I don't think a Camilla Parker Bowles bottle opener would sell.

― onimo, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

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