Bitches Brew Poll

i mean tbh it's v difficult to use a derogatory term for a homosexual in a non-homophobic way

I actually just thought it was a goofy non-sequitur.

And compared to Miles, pretty much everyone in the universe is a pillow-munching suit. Miles liked to treat Macero like a square sometimes, but Teo never took the bait. On one of the Bitches Brew outtakes there's studio chatter where Teo says, "So is this part 2?" Miles replies, "It's part NINE motherfucker! What difference does it make?" Teo says essentially, "Yeah, whatever, dude."

And yeah, Teo should've gotten more credit than he did. Maybe he should've been co-billed like Gil Evans was. I think it's fair to say Teo had as much to do with the brilliance of IASW and Bitches Brew as Evans did with Sketches, Miles Ahead, and Porgy & Bess.

I would kill to be able to hear a recording of that call from Miles to Teo.

i wanna hear the part where Teo is like "do you mean to put an apostrophe in Bitches? are you saying the brew belongs to the bitches, or that the bitches brew, an activity?"

"Never mind. I'll just call it Steve Miller Is A Non-Playing Motherfucker."

i mean tbh it's v difficult to use a derogatory term for a homosexual in a non-homophobic way

For what it is worth Stevie I get upset when people the 'R' word because I have a ten year old son with autism. So I understand how some words can be offensive and unacceptable, especially to people who have suffered prejudice. As incredulous as it sounds I really didn't know 'pillow muncher' had homophobic connotations and I apologise if any offence was caused. I am a real thick working class cunt at times.

I feel the same way re: r-word (have called ppl out on it on this board before); sorry if I came off as attacky, I didn't mean to & didn't realize that you didn't realize the connotations.

Terms like "pillow munching" etc gave me very off-base notions of anal sex when I was young.

Do more straight people realise these days that it's mostly not done that way?

Anyway.

That memo is fucking awesome.

i wanna hear the part where Teo is like "do you mean to put an apostrophe in Bitches? are you saying the brew belongs to the bitches, or that the bitches brew, an activity?"

― but the boo boyz are getting to (Z S), Friday, November 2, 2012 8:35 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've always taken it to be "brew of the bitches" in essence, thus no possessive apostrophe required

Like "losers brigade"

Where has the picture of this memo suddenly appeared from? Are there other memos to come?

Ha, I wondered the same thing... Then my cynical side wondered if it was a forgery. It really does ring so precisely as "current-day FB meme" in its tone and language.

Here's an interview with a guy who said he unearthed the document in Teo Macero's archives at the New York Public Library.

http://jazzblog.scena.org/2010_04_01_archive.html

Can't believe John McL got no votes

underdone poll for this monumentally perfect record

all great records should get that header on the cover: 'directions in music by'

Going back into a deep fusion kick listening to those early records by Weather Report and Herbie Hancock's Headhunters; it's kind of a shame that the economics of jazz in the pop world wasn't such that somehow those key players could have kept working together. I'd love to hear what Miles Davis trumpet would have fit in on the first couple of Weather Report records, as they really did take up that spacey feel from Bitches Brew and In A Silent Way. Conversely it's not hard to imagine what Herbie, Mike Clark and Paul Jackson would have sound underneath one of Miles 70s funk groups.

Them's the breaks, never happened.

this result is as lopsided and rong as 'rated x' winning the 'get up with it' poll

it's kind of a shame that the economics of jazz in the pop world wasn't such that somehow those key players could have kept working together. I'd love to hear what Miles Davis trumpet would have fit in on the first couple of Weather Report records

The weird thing is (in retrospect, maybe not at the time), Hancock and Weather Report were handily outselling (and outdrawing -- Miles was Herbie's opening act at least once in the 70s) Miles. Miles playing with Weather Report would no doubt have been a thrill for the members of Weather Report, but it might not necessarily have been a selling point for WR's fans.

There's more "rong" in this thread but it got worked out in the end.

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thread needs a teo to do some splicing, work all the best takes into an underrecognized collaboration between him and us

Thread made the mistake of releasing the unedited masters first.

part twoNINE was. In particular.

Pharaoh's Dance got robbed big-time here.

rated x didn't win the get up with it poll

I was so mad at my ipod today for not having Bitches Brew on it.

FWIW, I like the Complete Bitches Brew Sessions more than the album. Some great tracks on there that didn't make the final.

i have probably listened to 'feio' only one time in the entire number of years i have had that set

Feio is great

Donald Fagen, co-founder of Steely Dan, called the album "essentially just a big trash-out for Miles" in 2007: "To me it was just silly, and out of tune, and bad. I couldn't listen to it. It sounded like Davis was trying for a funk record, and just picked the wrong guys. They didn't understand how to play funk. They weren't steady enough."[21]

not enough guys named Skunk

i've read fagen knocking fusion in general, which seems odd.

kind of feel like part of the album's strength is that the players "didn't understand how to play funk"

what does fagen have to say about OTC i wonder

BB is the opposite of sure-footed and slick, and Fagen not liking it tells me pretty much everything I need to know about Steely Dan. Except I already knew it.

Yeah I don't know much about Steely Dan at all really, but I just thought this was odd and funny. And wrong.

Fagen also despised the new music (which is maybe less surprising than him not digging BB); I seem to recall him saying snarky shit about Sun Ra.

I'm not convinced that Steely Dan ever "understood how to play funk"

well they certainly hired people who did.

People who played on Bitches Brew, even.

i mean, it would be pretty disappointing and out-of-character if Steely Dan was really into Bitches Brew.

released 50 years ago yesterday

still sounds like 50 years tomorrow