Batman Begins: The Thread

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Gary Oldman always amazes me with his ability to look not-like-himself in every movie. I'm not sure what he really looks like, anymore.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

http://conspiration.ca/alien/alien_head.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The Falcone angle is quite a bit different, Flass in the comic is like a 6'4" Swede-American; the film borrows quite a few things from B:YO, and if it does not keep with the actual details (Joker was poisoning the water supply in the book, and w/o any overt exposition about mask esalation (mascalation?)), it is faithful to the tone.

jocelyn, he looks like Jim Gordon!

Leeeeee (Leee), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

See this film on IMAX. See this film on IMAX

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I must agree with that assessment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"Flass in the comic is like a 6'4" Swede-American"

ahhh - that's right, that was nagging at my brain. Cuz movie's Flass = comics' Harvey Bullock.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Newsflash: Rex Reed is catty! Also, we're morons.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

"young sidekick-cum-roommate-cum-jailbait Robin"

Iamsomature (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

"This movie goes to elaborate means to actually provide a few of the answers we’ve all been waiting for. Nothing about the relationship between Batman and his adoring young sidekick-cum-roommate-cum-jailbait Robin... "

in other words, Rex Reed is gay and he's angry that this movie didn't provide any wanking material.

x-x-x-post godDAMMIT!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow. Rex Reed is a gigantic mouth-breathing idiot.

(xpost: Judging by what my straight female and gay male frineds have been saying, Christian Bale sans shirt = primo wanking material.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

hmm that's true - maybe Rex just needs a "bottom" to identify with.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Translation: Rex Reed is a chickenhawk.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Catty or jealous?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

mark hammill played some kind of archvillian in the short-lived "flash" tv series. does anyone else remember the short-lived "flash" tv series?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

the 100lbs claim does seem a bit dubious, but the blogger is not taking into account that Bale was coming back from already being quite a bit *underweight* for his role in the Machinist when he undertook this "regimen".

That Rex Reed review reads like he was almost watching a completely different movie from the one I saw.

(I remember the Flash TV series - it sucked, but Mark Hammill had a wacky two-toned costume... shit, I forget who he was, off to IMDB).

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah yes, the Trickster. Sub-Riddler character.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Robert Crumb was awesome in this movie.

Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have signed to star in a
second "Batman" movie, but love interest Katie Holmes has been dropped.
Movie bosses are thrilled with the response to "Batman Begins" -- it took
$46.9 million in its first weekend at the US box office -- and have
snapped up the film's stars for a sequel.

Bale as Batman was the first to put pen to paper, followed by Caine as
butler Alfred and Freeman as Bruce Wayne's business associate Lucius Fox.

But Holmes won't reprise her role as district attorney Rachel Dawes --
reportedly because Warner Bros. is angry her engagement to Tom Cruise has
stolen media attention away from the movie.

A source tells Page Six, "Everyone is in agreement that the movie's
strength is with Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman."

Adding of Holmes, "She won't be in the sequel ... the next romantic
interest will be a much stronger actress.

"Warner is happy that people are now focusing on who'll be playing the
Joker rather than Katie and Tom."

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

tellingly, no mention of Nolan. I'm skeptical of a sequel that doesn't involve him... still....


CRISPIN GLOVER as the Joker!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

especially if they go with the "failed standup comic" origin angle from "The Killing Joke", oh yes...

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

The blogger is also not taking into account that Christian Bale isn't a competitive athlete; no one would give a shit about the health consequences of steroids if everyone in the sport was on them. At that level it's a parity issue, not a health issue.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost You have given me nightmares of Colin Quinn as The Joker.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Jack Black!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, katie holmes pwned

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The film has no interesting villains. No Catwoman, no Mr. Freeze, no Penguin, no Poison Ivy, no Batgirl.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

Sara Sherr, Blogger and Stereolab Fan (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Translation: Rex Reed is a chickenhawk.

Rex Reed has recently pushed for NYFCO acting awards for Jeremy Sumpter and Emile Hirsch, so there you have it.

Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Sara is back for the attack!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Still, I can't deny that I found myself nodding in agreement a couple times while reading the Rexx0r's "review." (I liked both Spiderman 2 and Unbreakable much more than this one, to say nothing of the second Burton Batman.)

Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

pffft M. Night Shamalamadingdong and his (not so) "surprising" endings.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Imagine him doing this one.

"OMG BRUCE WAYNE IS BATMAN!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

NO WAY! I TOTALLY DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!?

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Rex Reed nominated Jeremy Sumpter?!? Well, I guess Rex and I will both be glued to the set tonight for this masterpiece: Don't Forget That Tonight Lifetime is Showing *Cyber Seduction: His Secret Life* The Teen Internet Porn Addiction Movie!!!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 June 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I believe it was for Peter Pan. The man clearly wants to tap some tan 15-year-old azz.

Imagine him doing this one.
"OMG BRUCE WAYNE IS BATMAN!"

And yet I'm reading scores of defenses for this film's elementary chronological juggling and its lame fight scenes.

Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Call me skeptical that Shamalyan would have improved on either.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG, "BRUCE WAYNE" IS JUST A MASK BUT BATMAN IS WHO HE REALLY IS!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Heheh. Wasn't that at the end when Bale and Wayne were doing that useless smooch scene? I kept looking over their shoulders.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40641000/jpg/_40641684_cruise203.jpg

CRUISEBOT CARES NOT THAT HOLMESBOT IS NOT RECAST. CRUISEBOT HAS OTHER THINGS TO DO. I ACKNOWLEDGE CROWD.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Call me skeptical that Shamalyan would have improved on either.

True.

Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i would love crispin glover as the joker. or even the slightly-overused-these-days johnny depp!! has he ever done a bad guy?

Ah yes, the Trickster. Sub-Riddler character.

oh man. the riddler is already so sub-joker.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned why are you so cruel to celebrities?

Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Johnny Depp!!! Could be good, I think.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned why are you so cruel to celebrities?

Sir, at heart I am only cruel to you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Wasn't that at the end when Bale and Wayne were doing that useless smooch scene?

OW MY BRANE

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

See, now that would have been an ending. The hunk and the engorged ham together at last.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahah, man, what a typo. :-) Batman: Dead Ringers

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Christian Bale is terrif in general. He's an actual actor; unlikely he'll be an American star outside the Bat context.

He keeps this body morphing shit up, he'll kill himself. To go from less-than-dead to buff, well, I imagine that for months he:

Woke up at 4AM. Shoot up steroids, drink a shitload of protein, aerobics for an hour, pass out.

6AM. Woke up, sho0t up with Human Growth Hormone, more aerobics, eat some high calorie meal, pass out.

8 AM. Wake up, take more androgens, puke, pump iron for a few hours, answer email briskly.

Noon. More iron pumping, probably more drugs.

2PM. Another big meal.

3PM. Boxing, or some other stretch/pull excercize, perhaps enhanced by some sort of speedish drug.

5 PM. 3 steaks.

7PM - 8PM. Vibrate; take some Xanex.

8:30. Puke.

9PM. Watch Val Kilmer BATMAN, hiss "Pussy!", pass out.

Repeat for several months, no days off.

Ian in Brooklyn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

tom cruise looks like his own action figure

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

At the Times Square station, where the Scientologists frighten passersby, one of the frighteners was a ringer for Cruise, he even oozed the same pustulant positivism.

Ian in Brooklyn, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom Cruise's arm looks photoshopped in.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I just saw a late night post-show screening of this. I was drunk and fell asleep for a good part of it but from what I saw I have a hard time imagining what I missed would change my opinion much. While this could on some level be considered the 'best' Batman movie I found it to be the least enjoyable.

The whole beginning was just...MY KINGDOM FOR A CONCRETE NOUN. Control your fear, my anger outweighs by fear, vengeance your truth, all this grandiose talk that added up to jack shit. Between this and Episode One I'm surprised Liam Neeson hasn't jumped off a roof. Morgan Freeman bringing amiable warmth to a movie is right up there with me taking a good shit after eating taco bell in the Not News department. Michael Caine got shouldered with the rare and clumsy capper quips. Christian Bale was passable as Bruce Wayne but added little and JESUS CHRIST his Batman voice is hysterical. He already sounds a tad awkward anyway but when he gravels up and goes for ominous he's just pathetic. Michael Keaton did a way better job giving Batman a personality.

Aside from a few early moments with Thomas Wayne (well cast) and maybe Gordon (Gary Oldman was the only actor who seemed really intriguing in the parts I caught, sort of reminded me of Laurence Olivier in The Boys From Brazil in his determination to not just coast on skills a la Caine and Freeman but have something going under the surface despite being in an overwraught joke of a movie), the scenes just zipped along without gripping me despite their weighty tone. Actually it might be BECAUSE of that tone. I know a lot of people are anxious for a 'serious' Batman movie but Batman and all superheroes are to some degree completely ludicrous. It's hard to look at a LIVE HUMAN wearing that outfit and not giggle, ESPECIALLY when they're being excruciatingly earnest, and this movie seemed to be under the notion that we were at church.

I have a hard time believing this movie is gonna have legs at the theatre, but hey evidently people like draggy, self-serious tripe. I did like Holmes' homage to the batnipples.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link


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