Cocteau Twins : Classic or Dud

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Please do!

Seb (Seb), Friday, 12 November 2004 06:49 (nineteen years ago) link

It should be a very placid evening.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 12 November 2004 06:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes tell us what happens, Kyle.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 12 November 2004 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

It was quite good! I fell asleep though (twice). He performed to a film he'd made which was kind of superfluous; pretty, but kind of sub-brakhage attempts at color and light with a few naked ladies thrown in for good measure. It was good to have something to look at occasionally though. Songs were from Imperial (a few of them) and some were new; they were definitely much more interesting live than the album, which, again, is pretty, but kind of inconsequential. It was great to see him generate those classic Guthrie reverb drenched tones though. He plays so effortlessly, everything looks so easy. I think the tour dates are on the bella union site, if you're a fan it's well worth going.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 November 2004 08:31 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
So Hilburn/LA Times are claiming the Cocteaus are reuniting and playing Coachella, as will be announced tomorrow. Allegedly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I know, I just read that on the other thread and I'm afraid I'm just in shock. Surely it can't really be?

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Maximum classic. Aside from echoing the feeling of other pro-Twin-ists, I can only add that immersion in their stuff truly is a dependable visit--I shall now sound very earnest and lame--to a very safe, candy-cotton cocoony place.

iang, Monday, 31 January 2005 07:38 (nineteen years ago) link

recorded, classic. live... dud.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 31 January 2005 07:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, well, she used to get pretty nervous live, that's true. But by the time of Milk & Kisses it seemed to me she might have conquered a lot of her fright.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't find a damn thing on the "official web site" about a reunion other than rumours.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 31 January 2005 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Off to the desert!

http://www.ambitious-outsiders.com/images/lineup05.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe they'll tour later this year with Dead Can Dance and my head can FUCKING EXPLODE

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

new order billed below nine inch nails?
bauhaus and cocteau twins billed below coldplay?

my heart just broke

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Milk & Kisses is really, really, really wonderful.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

America gets Bauhaus and Cocteau Twins reunions, meanwhile I was informed via The Guardian Guide that London gets 30th Anniversary Tour visits from Styx and Kansas. Totally unfair !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Junkie frigging XL? Puh-leez. I would say: Let's hope he breaks up in a million pieces but that'd just mean a reunion in ten years time. ;-)

I have only heard Heaven Or Las Vegas. Wouldn't say classic, because I have to be in the right mood for her *glossolalia*. But it sure is pretty music.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

holy fuck...

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

It is official. Hell of a time to be not in California. This is shaping up to be the worst year of my life.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck.

There must be UK dates, surely.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope so!

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 31 January 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
cocaine

mdma

together

terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 5 January 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Drug fiend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 January 2006 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Cocteau Twins, along with King Crimson and David Sylvian (japan/Rain Tree Crow/Nine Horses), rates among my absolute favorite musical acts. My only issue is that I find Liz Fraser's post-Cocteau output a bit underwhelming. "This Love" with Craig Armstrong and her Massive Attack collaborations are notable exceptions. "At Last I am Free" (taken from the 'Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before Compilation), on the other hand, sounds unfocused. Liz posesses, in my opinion, probably the most beautiful voice in music and I think it would be interesting to see here work with some composers/producers that could do her singing justice.

As for possible artistic directions, I could imagine a piece driven by Fripp Soundscape and Frisell Loops with electro-acoustic drum work By Pat Mastelloto, some electronically treated harmonized trumept lines by Nils Petter Molvaer, some excentric fretless bass work by Mick Karn and, beautiful piano/synth treatments courtesy of Ryuichi Sakamoto. I could think of may other possible directions, but this is just off the top of my head. All in all I still think she has the potential to surpass even the greatest cocteau twins moments, given the right environment.

Cliftonb, Friday, 6 January 2006 05:26 (eighteen years ago) link

she doesn't seem to be interested in doing much of anything though, oddly enough.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

I JUST RIPPED MILK & KISSES TO MY IPOD THEREFORE I RULE OKEETHNCXBYEEY

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 08:29 (fifteen years ago) link

underrated album, that

stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 08:39 (fifteen years ago) link

The last one I bought was Four Calendar Cafe, but I think I heard Milk & Kisses once. Perhaps I should seek it out again.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 31 May 2008 08:49 (fifteen years ago) link

"Violaine" is one of my favorite late-period Cocteau songs -- it stands up to the best of Heaven or Las Vegas, easily

stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 09:14 (fifteen years ago) link

This is the one Cocteau Twins album I actually had sex to.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:29 (fifteen years ago) link

intentionally?

stephen, Saturday, 31 May 2008 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Oh my god if Cocteaus could ever forgive you

Meanie!

Tell the X Mal Deutschland fans to go fuck it all.

Cocteaus happiness.
Quisquose.

I'm gonna sic the vinyl on your ass. I'm trying to peaceful, but...
sorry.

EAT THE VINYL

EAT IT

Oh shit

With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Sunday, 4 January 2009 08:34 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

In a certain celebrity mailout this appeared...

'The reason the Cocteau Twins' comeback last year didn't happen is because even though Robin Guthrie and Liz Fraser had put their differences to the side (clue - £££££) Liz insisted that her partner be the drummer on the tour. Fine.

All was going well until Robin got pissed, looked through the tour expenses and saw that Liz's partner was getting paid a bit more than the other hired hands. He went batshit mental, rang up Liz and told her that this was outrageous and that he shouldn't even be getting paid AT ALL as Liz was making money and so her partner "didn't need to be paid".

Liz basically said (in indecipherable made-up language no doubt) she couldn't take this and if Robin was kicking off even before the tour started, it could only get worse. So she walked and that was it - reunion over. She apparently walked away from "millions".

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate (aldo), Friday, 24 July 2009 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Good for her.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 24 July 2009 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I can understand being annoyed that he's making MORE than others but not getting paid AT ALL? Fuck that.

Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Not getting paid at all, says an anonymous secondhand source.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah there's an obvious grain of salt there but still.

Lisa Simpson = a fictional bitch (HI DERE), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Give 'em a couple more years when they need to pay their mortgages, they'll come around.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually Guthrie's reaction. He always came across as socially retarded.

Turangalila, Friday, 24 July 2009 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

A story on Ms. Fraser in the Guardian the other day:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/26/cocteau-twins-elizabeth-fraser-interview

And we do all grow older:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2009/11/26/1259231936986/Elizabeth-Fraser-Cocteau--001.jpg

Looks v. elegant!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link

She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"

The hell.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link

The new song sadly sounds too much like Gotan Project but her voice is still awesome.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Which is all you need, really. (Well, maybe.)

Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores, as apparently both Howard Shore and Fran Welsh were major Cocteaus fans, and she's specifically namechecked by both of them in the DVD documentaries, etc. etc.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

And of course this was beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRq7FxiSmxY

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll take any excuse to repost this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaOlNfC8_xQ

sleeve, Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link

She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"

LOL just saw this.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll take any excuse to repost this:

The...hell.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores

Yeah I noticed that error too, his claim she "only" did the Massive Attack album. Crap! She also worked with FSOL, Yann Tiersen, and Peter Gabriel (her work on the Millenium Dome album is lovely).

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Is her single available somewhere online, the RT website or something?

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh and she did that gorgeous song with the Bathers!

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbPhJPY1iKc

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/QFFJGor.png

The first 20 seconds of this sound like music for a secret super Mario brothers underworld level

calstars, Sunday, 28 January 2024 20:17 (two months ago) link

never picked up on either of those drum samples, good excuse to play treasure at a very loud volume when I clock out.

brimstead, Monday, 29 January 2024 21:07 (two months ago) link

Ugh, that Quietus review gets 721 words in before it mentions the band or the album

enochroot, Thursday, 1 February 2024 17:20 (two months ago) link

Thanks, john

irerisered, Thursday, 1 February 2024 20:56 (two months ago) link

never picked up on either of those drum samples, good excuse to play treasure at a very loud volume when I clock out.

rock out with your clock out

blazin' squab (NickB), Thursday, 1 February 2024 20:58 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/1sNGV7D.jpg

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 11 April 2024 20:45 (one week ago) link

Feel like“Slip Away the Chicken Slice” needs a comma.

Slip Away, the Chicken Slice

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 11 April 2024 23:36 (one week ago) link

I coulda sworn "Bitter Gourd Grasping" was a BBK outtake but I guess not

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 11 April 2024 23:37 (one week ago) link

also, ATTN Swen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaOlNfC8_xQ

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 11 April 2024 23:39 (one week ago) link

Damn those clips were so laid back. I miss 80s news

sawdust lagoon, Friday, 12 April 2024 00:05 (one week ago) link


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