MELLON POLLIE AND THE INFINITE SADNESS

definitely MUZZLE

Cupid de Locke vs Love tossup

"Muzzle" was disappointing live but when I saw them it was the guy who isn't Jimmy Chamberlain. Otherwise also a fav.

This is actually one of the best examples of patchy double albums that could have made great single albums.

people try and make that case about all double albums

I think you'd be lucky to get a decent EP out of this, to be honest.

agreed. Maybe a single in 'thirty three'

No, really. There are around 10 "pop" songs here that are actually quite nice. They would only have to get rid of the noisiest and most aggressive tracks and they'd have a marvellous single album. Shame about that singing voice though - this is one of few cases where I agree it was a good idea to keep the vocals behind in the mix.

Impossible to choose between "Muzzle," "Porcelina," "Thru The Eyes Of Ruby," "Galapagos," and "Where Boys Fear To Tread," but I think I'll give it to the latter since it hasn't been getting upped yet on this thread...

As for the "make it one disc" thing, I raised that question on this thread and got some responses, for anybody into that kind of thing...

who gonna be the kook that votes 4 tales of a scorched earth

Fuck's sake - the whole point of Mellon Collie is that it's an overblown indulgence-fest; one of the last ones in mainstream rock - and that's why it's a great album. All this trimming-down talk, fffff!

haha, Alex in NYC makes the same exact diss in both this thread and mine.

it's definitely 1979 for me

very tough choice between "Tonight Tonight" and "In the Arms of Sleep"

TRULY TRAGIC THIS

I don't think I ever listened to anything but the singles, and of those "1979" is the only one that still rates.

Kinda feels like this is the 'last album of the '90s.'

I actually think an Adore poll might be more interesting. Although maybe "Perfect" is the obvious winner there.

this album is the sound of me at 14

vinyl tracklist:

Side one: Dawn

1. "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" – 2:52
2. "Tonight, Tonight" – 4:14
3. "Thirty-Three" – 4:10
4. "In the Arms of Sleep" – 4:12
5. "Take Me Down" (Iha) – 2:52

Side two: Tea Time
1. "Jellybelly" – 3:01
2. "Bodies" – 4:12
3. "To Forgive" – 4:17
4. "Here Is No Why" – 3:45
5. "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans" – 9:21

Side three: Dusk

1. "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" – 4:18
2. "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" – 7:38
3. "Muzzle" – 3:44
4. "Galapogos" – 4:47
5. "Tales of a Scorched Earth" – 3:46

Side four: Twilight

1. "1979" – 4:25
2. "Beautiful" – 4:18
3. "Cupid de Locke" – 2:50
4. "By Starlight" – 4:48
5. "We Only Come Out at Night" – 4:05

Side five: Midnight

1. "Where Boys Fear to Tread" – 4:22
2. "Zero" – 2:41
3. "Fuck You (An Ode to No One)" – 4:51
4. "Love" – 4:21
5. "X.Y.U." – 7:07

Side six: Starlight

1. "Stumbleine" – 2:54
2. "Lily (My One and Only)" – 3:31
3. "Tonite Reprise" – 2:40
4. "Farewell and Goodnight" (Corgan/Iha) – 4:22
5. "Infinite Sadness" – 4:02

^^^^ would much rather listen to it this way. This makes it seem more like a 6-EP box set s.t. you can put on a different side for different moods. Which I think brings the whole album to a perfect level of pretense and pomposity.

xxpost "Appels + Oranjes" is far and away the best thing on that album. And there are a lot of great songs on that album.

That vinyl tracklist is WILD! Wow. What's "Tonite Reprise"?

I always felt like this thing needed to end on something a little more dramatic - probably "By Starlight."

And I'm with Curt1s, "Appels + Oranjes" is my favorite Adore track, although at the time "Tear" ranked really high with me, and to this day does a more precise job of bringing back the exact feel and smell of a certain era in time than any other song, not sure why or how that happened but it did. "Perfect" is, I'm sad to say, kind of boring! Am I right that it was a single? Not that this was an album really overflowing with obvious hits, but it seems like a weird, wimpy kind of choice.

Granted, by that point Billy had taken a 90-degree turn away from the blatant arena majesty of SD/MCIS, in favor of a kind of extended love letter to particular electro goth genre work, lush and watery on one end and aching/sparse on the other. I like a lot of songs off Adore and Machina I, but they're really different animals than Melon Collie.

My fave on Adore has to be "For Martha," what a stunner. That and "Blank Page" actually outdo the closing ballads on Mellon Collie.

I'm half into DAWN of vinyl tracklist, it is better this way.

I mean TEA TIME.

"Tonite Reprise" is an acoustic guitar version of "Tonight, Tonight"

I remember seeing this post-Siamese Dream MTV news bit about how Smashing Pumpkins were readying their new album, and it included a 4 second clip of Corgan recording the vocals of "Muzzle" in their studio, and I played that 4 seconds over and over in my head for months until the album actually came out. And the finished "Muzzle" totally lived up to it - I love how the drums roll in on that song...

I think my answer would be "Thirty-Three", but i'll have to listen to this album again to work it out.

I never liked "Perfect". I liked Adore at the time, but in retrospect it has a lot more cloying, embarassing moments than Mellon Collie.

Back to Mellon Collie - "Beautiful" is the perfect soundtrack to teenagers in love in 1995.

Adore more cloying than Mellon Collie? Hmmmm...

no wai

this album is the sound of me at 14

-- latebloomer, Friday, March 7, 2008 3:59 AM (15 hours ago)

YES. well, 13 for me, but it's hard to explain how deeply invested i was in this album. not much of it holds up anymore for me, apart from a few tracks, but there isn't any other album that's more of a nostalgia trip for me back to '95-96 than this one.

1979 vs. muzzle, for the vote. i'll probably go with 1979

voted "muzzle". go figure, it might actually win...tho now i have a twinge of regret for not voting "bodies"...that "love is suicide" lyric perfectly sums up the overwrought adolescent romantic fatalism that drips from this album...

btw, my favorite song off adore is definitely "shame." "blank page" gets 2nd, but it's not really all that close.

btw, my favorite song off adore is definitely "shame."

Cosign, to eternity.

actually, weirdly enough, in response to the "it-would've-made-an-awesome-single album" comments, i actually think this would have made an awesome double-album if billy would have put some of the b-sides on it ("cherry," "rotten apples," "medellia," i know some folks out there like "set the ray to jerry") and ditched some of that stylistically-adventurous filler. if "cherry" was on this album, i would voted for that instead.

'have voted' i mean. sry bout that.

Oh, yeah, "Set the Ray to Jerry" is my favorite SP song, period - I would have voted that in any poll it was on.

It's top five for me. First time I heard it I was all "And this is buried away as a B-side!"

obscured

fave track on adore has always been 'to sheila', love the mandolin solo in the middle. i'd totally be down w/ a MCIS that had both 'set the ray to jerry' and 'cherry' on it

i never got into STRTJ but i just soulseek'd it and it does sound pretty stupendous...terrific drumming it's got there.

i read somewhere that someone thought that maybe it was written for d'arcy.

also, that it was flood who put the nix on it being on MCIS.

unsafe levels of muzzle love thread so far

sane people: vote for 1979

*in this

i'm kind of obsessed with the concept of billy releasing "the aeroplane flies high" as the follow up to mcis in a total "fuck you, eat some rawness" move. it would work pretty well split up into 6 sides.

the 12 year old in me wants either "Bodies" or "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" and I'm going with the latter...and I still have my copy of aeroplane, loved it back then...

"Bodies" > "Bullet"

Relistening to Zeitgeist (yeah, I know) reminds me how much credit Flood should get for nailing such a diverse set of songs, both on this and "Adore," when producers nowadays will drown a fucking simple rock record in endless overdubs and hyper-compression.

jergins OTM

it’s official: billy corgan is a rap genius

xp “Infinite Sadness” is the last track on the 3xLP version of MCIS!

I forgot! It's funny that it literally has "Siamese Outtake" tacked onto its Spotify title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ISK1g54Fc

this really does sample an awful lot of "1979"

i think it even samples the cover to the CD single

so.... they're getting wasted and hanging around? man anybody who gave Puffy shit over his sampling should listen to this and then come back and think again imo

lol imagine hearing this shit in like 1998 or something

That song really brought out the angry boomer in me, not so much because of the obvious Pumpkins sample as because of the 'Californication' line.

if this were a one direction song i'd be so down

it is nowhere near as good as a one direction song though

one direction sampling smashing pumkins would be the best dream ever.

I just fixed the CD player in my car - well got the penny out that my kid stuck in there - and busted this out after a long time and damn this is so well recorded. The drums absolutely thump

Trudat.